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(114,904 posts) Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:21 PM Jun 2016

I still see the TPP as a significant threat to our rights [View all]

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There used to be a lot of interest in the TPP here. That seems to have dissipated somewhat.

Some of the things that are alarming. This is by no means a comprehensive list:

Copyright provisions, Chapter 18:

Harsh criminal penalties for infringers, even those with no profit motivation.
http://infojustice.org/archives/35766

Pharmaceutical and generic drugs:

"Evergreening". Forcing member countries drug patent extensions and diminishing access to generic drugs.
http://infojustice.org/archives/35908

Lack of strong enforcement provisions for violators across a wide range of issues including labor rights and the environment
http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/07/tpp-climate-change/
https://rightswireblog.org/2016/02/02/how-the-trans-pacific-partnership-fails-human-rights/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/12/qa-trans-pacific-partnership

Weakening of the none too strong Dodd-Frank legislation. As Elizabeth Warren said, it would "punch holes" in it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/11/elizabeth-warren-fires-back-at-obama-heres-what-theyre-really-fighting-about/

ISDS: It's unbalanced. It favors corporations
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/16/canadian-trade-policy-expert-c.html

Biodiversity:
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trans-pacific-partnership-will-hurt-farmers-and-make-seed-companies-richer/

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I still see the TPP as a significant threat to our rights [View all] cali Jun 2016 OP

Yet more stuff for us average struggling aging people to worry about 90-percent Jun 2016 #1

PS 90-percent Jun 2016 #2

Orwellian for sure. Not sure it's "good business" though 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #37

I remember when workers were valued! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #116

getting medieval on the planet SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #6

kick. Those cheering on the TPP would prefer to ignore cali Jun 2016 #3

This ^^^^^ OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #55

Thanks so much for that great link, Orwell cali Jun 2016 #78

TPP is the best thing since The Black Death Vincardog Jun 2016 #4

That's about right. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #56

Wow, everything you hate about it I find to be appealling. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #5

So you actually support making generic drugs more difficult to obtain? cali Jun 2016 #8

I find your analysis of the treaty lacking in any semblance to reality. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #9

It's not my analysis. And unless you can point out cali Jun 2016 #13

I'm not going to spend hours writing a treatise on why the analysis is flawed. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #14

And my respect for those who make claims without cali Jun 2016 #16

And basing respect for people on a message board format is the height of silliness, IMO. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #17

How does it feel to be hawking for greedy corporate interests? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #40

Great! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #43

Which "Socialist rhetoric" might that be? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #49

they mean anything that doesn't kowtow to neoliberalism, corporate AntiBank Jun 2016 #53

Ah, ok.. THAT Socialist rhetoric! I'll own that. 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #54

That would at least be some kind ethos. Marr Jun 2016 #87

North Korea Dear Leaderism AntiBank Jun 2016 #89

Oh great. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #93

Hey Cali------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #32

You are so welcome, turbinetree. cali Jun 2016 #38

I have been reading your threads for about three years now-------------------------- turbinetree Jun 2016 #134

Its obvious to anyone reading that you won't because you can't. Marr Jun 2016 #85

Sources would be fine Bradical79 Jun 2016 #115

answer cali's simple question. its NOT analysis AntiBank Jun 2016 #29

I agree it's not really analysis. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #44

answer the question AntiBank Jun 2016 #48

I did. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #58

show me where you answered yes or no to support for the evergreening of drug patents AntiBank Jun 2016 #60

It's there, though not the answer you want. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #61

In this case it is black or white. You either support evergreening the patents or your do not. AntiBank Jun 2016 #64

I reject the basis of your premise as nothing more than rhetorical nonsense. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65

NO. You simply refuse to answer one simple question. Furthermore: AntiBank Jun 2016 #75

I answered your question. That you refuse to accept the answer is your problem, not mine. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #80

you NEVER answered it. you are a pendantic game player AntiBank Jun 2016 #81

Again, I answered your question. You simply refuse to accept the answer. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #82

show me your answer AntiBank Jun 2016 #83

I showed youo, again, you refuse to accept it. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #84

you damn well know you never fucking did AntiBank Jun 2016 #86

And now you make things up about me. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #88

bullshit, you support the TPP, which allows for evergreening AntiBank Jun 2016 #91

Even more making up shit. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #92

You know, I said I wouldn't continue engaging with you, but I just cali Jun 2016 #94

And now you engage in a logical fallacy. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #95

Nothing buit puerile insults. That's it. That is the whole sum of your "argument" cali Jun 2016 #96

You posted the links and "evidence" MohRokTah Jun 2016 #97

Impact Of The TPP On The Pharma Industry (showing EXACTLY that the TPP puts evergreening into play) AntiBank Jun 2016 #101

You are going to find that to be the case anytime trade is discussed here RB TexLa Jun 2016 #122

I would like to regulate trade across state lines. bvar22 Jun 2016 #123

So you find Trans Canada suing the United States to be a good thing? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #127

I do as well. nt m-lekktor Jun 2016 #7

If it's blue it must be true? cali Jun 2016 #10

I hear you. nt m-lekktor Jun 2016 #12

+10 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #41

DURec. bvar22 Jun 2016 #11

Thank you, bvar! The collective DU opinion on the tpp cali Jun 2016 #15

Same here. bvar22 Jun 2016 #31

My interest in remaining here is waning. Substantive issues cali Jun 2016 #33

Is there a viable alternative space? OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #57

I was wondering the same thing. Stryder Jun 2016 #112

Sadly laundry_queen Jun 2016 #73

+100 AntiBank Jun 2016 #51

Good to see you, bvar awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #74

it is all they have to play with AntiBank Jun 2016 #50

I'm with you. reflection Jun 2016 #18

the evidence of corporate influence over the crafting of the TPP cali Jun 2016 #19

TPP to Protect American Freedom to Not Afford Medicine LS_Editor Jun 2016 #20

And not only Americans! cali Jun 2016 #21

Yes, there was more interest in the TPP months ago, but mostly speculative interest... George II Jun 2016 #22

It's not even good. Perfect? It's stupidly horrible. It's a complete disaster. w4rma Jun 2016 #67

What do Hillary's handlers say she thinks about TPP this week? Indepatriot Jun 2016 #23

well those people are obviously all wet in their opposition stupidicus Jun 2016 #24

I find the "if it's blue, it must be true" mentality shocking. cali Jun 2016 #25

so true cali stupidicus Jun 2016 #30

Good post. Thank you. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #26

Thanks, PufPuf. cali Jun 2016 #28

It will be the final nail in our Democracy TDale313 Jun 2016 #27

Language is everything! We should start somewhere. I'm starting with the definition of a person. shadowwinds Jun 2016 #34

It rings it loudly. And not just CU language. cali Jun 2016 #90

Thanks for all your TPP posts cali Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #35

right back at you Jeff. cali Jun 2016 #39

You may be interestd to watch this trade conference on Tuesday. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #59

k/r for the unvarnished truth AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #36

K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #42

So do I. Corporations already have too much power. Overseas Jun 2016 #45

Corporate lawyers, lobbyists & CEOs wrote the damn thing. What else can we expect? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #46

I wish I knew why that doesn't trouble the people who support it. cali Jun 2016 #47

It is interesting how many Pro-TPPers are coming out of the woodwork. 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #52

Slap the name "free trade" or "partnership" on one of these Elwood P Dowd Jun 2016 #66

That, and being supported by Obama 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #69

Some "Democrats" *want* corporate governance. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #68

I have heard of this 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #70

These are the "Democrats" that want whatever their big donors want. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #72

And then their supporters reactively support that position. cali Jun 2016 #105

...AND, they wrote it "in secret". bvar22 Jun 2016 #124

+10 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #125

Thank you cali. You've been tireless in trying to educate people here riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #62

that is very kind of you to say. I don't know how effective it's been cali Jun 2016 #77

So do I. LWolf Jun 2016 #63

Same here IgelJames4 Jun 2016 #71

Thank you for the post Cali...K&R! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #76

kick midnight Jun 2016 #79

K&R Thanks for posting this. JEB Jun 2016 #98

And many thanks for kicking it. Yes. I think this is a critical issue. cali Jun 2016 #99

It stinks to high heaven, but certain powerful industries JEB Jun 2016 #100

Thanks for posting, Cali Bettie Jun 2016 #102

Sadly, I agree with you, Bettie. But I still think it's worth fighting. cali Jun 2016 #107

Big pharma disagrees with you. They see big $$$ in their eyes, and it NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #103

"evergreening" of patents is in the final text. Period. And yet there are people cali Jun 2016 #104

not "mind-boggling", just part of the Neoliberal agenda. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #106

K&R unapatriciated Jun 2016 #108

TPP ISDS process concerns Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #109

How come that has not happened with all the trade agreements since 1959 with similar provisions? Hoyt Jun 2016 #129

Rights? Soxfan58 Jun 2016 #110

Thank you for responding. cali Jun 2016 #111

This just shows how complicated free trade issues can be. Yes there has been widespread opposition totodeinhere Jun 2016 #113

Yes. Things are complex. Seemingly paradoxical opinions may not be cali Jun 2016 #114

I'm not well versed on Brexit either. But I think the course of world events will cause us to totodeinhere Jun 2016 #117

Please. No need at all for an apology. I appreciate your contribution cali Jun 2016 #120

My problem with the trade discussion on this forum... Bradical79 Jun 2016 #118

Yes. There has been a paucity of credible evidence for the benefits outweighing the cali Jun 2016 #121

Corporations have long sought ways to avoid being tied down by laws. vintx Jun 2016 #119

Notice that the pro-tpp folks in this very thread cannot give you just ONE positive net good Rex Jun 2016 #126

it's reactive, not informed. cali Jun 2016 #128

I know you've spent a lot of time looking it over, I just wish it would be made public Rex Jun 2016 #130

I'm a bit confused by your post cali Jun 2016 #131

Thanks! I did not know it was released to the public. Rex Jun 2016 #132

You're very welcome, Rex cali Jun 2016 #133

Thanks that is a lot of reading material. Rex Jun 2016 #135