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Scootaloo

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137. Oh for fuck's sake

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:51 AM

Jun 2016

I'm not a big fan of pnwmom in general, but she's making a fair point here. Whether or not this is intentionally because she's a girl, the fact is that she's already on an uphill trudge on the basis of that, so this situation, even if it's an honest mistake, cuts deeper, reinforces assumptions, and discourages advancement more than if the genders were reversed.

So, put that under your trilby and have a nice day yourself.

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First Ohio girl to win masonry competition gets replaced by a 3rd place boy at Nationals. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

Just flat out WRONG! liberal N proud Jun 2016 #1

That's not fair and should be corrected before the national competition. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #2

It is very suspicious. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #3

It is even worse. I just added to the OP a link to the original April story. pnwmom Jun 2016 #4

4) How did they think this was going to pass unnoticed? marble falls Jun 2016 #5

And the most obvious question of all - why dont they just FIX IT??? nm Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2016 #10

Because they don't want to and no one, apparently, can make them. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #14

Bureaucracy in a nutshell. Ash_F Jun 2016 #50

misogyny in a nutshell. TeamPooka Jun 2016 #76

Exactly! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #92

Maybe. I don't know. Misogyny is also about power. Ash_F Jun 2016 #93

Seems very likely. Hopefully some Hortensis Jun 2016 #102

glass ceilings sometimes start early dembotoz Jun 2016 #6

Is it somehow more of a travesty because it's a ....? seabeckind Jun 2016 #7

This is the first girl EVER to win this competition. Forgive me if I think pnwmom Jun 2016 #8

So "girl" is the most important factor in your mind? seabeckind Jun 2016 #9

I think the way she was treated probably had something to do with her gender. pnwmom Jun 2016 #11

Would you be as upset if the situation were reversed? seabeckind Jun 2016 #16

Of course it shouldn't happen to anyone. But, yes, when this happens to a girl pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

Thanks for the honest answer. seabeckind Jun 2016 #21

When there is a pattern of discrimination against a group and you see something pnwmom Jun 2016 #24

So "girl" equals "group"? seabeckind Jun 2016 #70

Yeah, maybe this was just a coincidence. But when there is a pattern of pnwmom Jun 2016 #72

I'm with you on this. It is totally sexist. Bohunk68 Jun 2016 #96

What you said is actually a contradiction. Chemisse Jun 2016 #111

LOL trumad Jun 2016 #56

Oh for fuck's sake Scootaloo Jun 2016 #137

"It happened" to two kids. Was the second place winner also female? jberryhill Jun 2016 #134

I wondered what happened to #2 also. nt Doremus Jun 2016 #149

The entered the wrong numbers onto the final scoresheet oberliner Jun 2016 #151

Care to cite an example? You proffer only a hypothetical situation. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #23

Nah. seabeckind Jun 2016 #26

Yeah, I thought so. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #28

You'd think it anyway seabeckind Jun 2016 #29

If you want to dismiss this documented discrimination because it happened to a female, Thor_MN Jun 2016 #31

Did I dismiss it? seabeckind Jun 2016 #33

I dare ya......oh mercy!..it's teh heavy artillery of critical argument. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #90

Think of it more like put up or shut up. seabeckind Jun 2016 #94

When I read your post I thought "there is a person who has lead a sheltered life, or A Simple Game Jun 2016 #45

Hmm. I would have to say that your thinking is projection. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #97

Think of it like a hate crime. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #36

Maybe I might understand it if I hadn't lived it. seabeckind Jun 2016 #38

Hold on. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #44

What are you talking about? seabeckind Jun 2016 #48

I'm responding to your post. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #67

Hey, you're the one come charging in on your war horse brandishing a sword seabeckind Jun 2016 #95

I do not own a horse. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #139

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #99

You really think that it doesn't exist? seabeckind Jun 2016 #105

..... obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #32

Try looking up double standard. seabeckind Jun 2016 #34

Everything is political here. Marr Jun 2016 #42

It does seem to be that way,, doesn't it? seabeckind Jun 2016 #51

It is a travesty because this shit never ends. we can do it Jun 2016 #98

Sure doesn't. And gender is just one of the factors. seabeckind Jun 2016 #108

Horrible! blackspade Jun 2016 #12

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” ?? knightmaar Jun 2016 #13

Her instructor says her tower was better by 72 points than the next best. pnwmom Jun 2016 #15

Might be Hanlon's razor seabeckind Jun 2016 #17

If it were simply a stupid mistake, they would fix it csziggy Jun 2016 #47

Not before somebody builds a whole story around it. seabeckind Jun 2016 #49

The state runs the competition - so they have everything to do with it csziggy Jun 2016 #55

Crickets trumad Jun 2016 #58

It's probably tinnitus. seabeckind Jun 2016 #62

A Sen Frist-like diagnosis! Clever! LanternWaste Jun 2016 #64

I have tinnitus trumad Jun 2016 #66

So everyone says you have an attitude problem? seabeckind Jun 2016 #69

You are making fun of people with tinnitus? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #140

False equivalency. seabeckind Jun 2016 #61

Odd, you've created a narrative-- something you've indicted others fo LanternWaste Jun 2016 #65

Dudes trolling. trumad Jun 2016 #68

He will be gone soon - we can do it Jun 2016 #101

That's one way to avoid inconvenient arguments. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #106

Does look more like cronyism seabeckind Jun 2016 #71

^^^This^^^ Gormy Cuss Jun 2016 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #156

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” CrispyQ Jun 2016 #18

Sounds as if "Mr. Third Place" has someone Bettie Jun 2016 #20

That's what I think too. Chemisse Jun 2016 #112

Seriously? LisaL Jun 2016 #165

Third place boy obviously has a daddy who has some connections in the right places davidn3600 Jun 2016 #22

There ya go. Now Thor_MN is going to ask for a specific example. seabeckind Jun 2016 #27

Is there anything left of that axe you've been grinding? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #37

Very annoying when the best candidate is ignored because a weaker candidate has everything rigged. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #25

We're talking Ohio here, mrr303am Jun 2016 #30

Typical! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #35

What's even worse DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #39

Ohio, reminds me of 2004. Obviously, the boy is a Republican and the girl a Democrat. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #40

I would think people would want to make history with the first female IronLionZion Jun 2016 #41

Or wouldn't want the boys to be "shown up" WhiteTara Jun 2016 #59

Everyone should face & tweet this.. I'll bet the noise annabanana Jun 2016 #43

The boy actually won oberliner Jun 2016 #46

That's also the impression that I got from the article Captain Stern Jun 2016 #63

That isn't what her instructor said, or how the reporter viewed it. pnwmom Jun 2016 #73

Yes it is oberliner Jun 2016 #74

No, it just points to how exceptional her work was, as the instructor noted. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #75

The teacher only praised the plumb oberliner Jun 2016 #77

Or she could have scored many points higher in one category and slightly higher pnwmom Jun 2016 #78

"Most win with only a 5 point lead" oberliner Jun 2016 #82

No one thought her score looked wrong on the night she got her gold medal. pnwmom Jun 2016 #83

Nobody saw her score card on the night she got her gold medal oberliner Jun 2016 #85

Sounds like they should have. LisaL Jun 2016 #163

I think you are correct and many others are knee jerking AntiBank Jun 2016 #141

Thanks oberliner Jun 2016 #150

agreed AntiBank Jun 2016 #153

More like that was the excuse after the fact and they just didn't like the results. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #104

You really think that's more likely than a clerical error? oberliner Jun 2016 #110

That is what happened obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #161

No, the girl won by 72 points obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #160

No, she didn't oberliner Jun 2016 #162

Surely that contest was "rigged"! rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #52

Nothing to do with a 'girl' winning . . . pistegypsy Jun 2016 #53

sexism is alive, and, unfortunately, all too well in every aspect of our society. niyad Jun 2016 #54

My great-grandfather was a master mason. malthaussen Jun 2016 #57

HERE'S A NEW PETITION YOU CAN SIGN TO MAKE THEM REVERSE THEIR DECISION!!!!!!!! ISeeA BrightFuture Jun 2016 #60

Signed. What a terribly unfair thing this is. byronius Jun 2016 #80

Signed Lunabell Jun 2016 #142

I see not much has changed Runningdawg Jun 2016 #79

I work for a regional technical HS Freddie Jun 2016 #86

Kind of like our voting system. roody Jun 2016 #81

Exactly, except not at all. Orrex Jun 2016 #84

A total lack of integrity by the district perdita9 Jun 2016 #87

The school is a gub'mint entity. She should be able to get A.C.L.U. help to sue. Hoppy Jun 2016 #88

She needs a group of women, including an attorney or 7, to help her. Everyone jtuck004 Jun 2016 #89

I hope her parents have enough money to hire a lawyer, or that one will work pro bono. This reeks. Hekate Jun 2016 #91

MALES are so FRAGILE. god forbid they don't win. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #100

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” BULLSHIT. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #103

This is so very very sad Gothmog Jun 2016 #107

Jumping to conclusions based on a set of preconceptions and biases. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #109

Great comment oberliner Jun 2016 #152

Amazing how that works isn't it? TalkingDog Jun 2016 #113

I feel like there's more to this story than is being reported. Initech Jun 2016 #114

You misunderstood. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #115

That's not how I read her instructor's comment. pnwmom Jun 2016 #117

I go by the rules of the contest, which show your interpretation is incorrect. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #123

If your theory is correct, it would have been simple enough for them to explain pnwmom Jun 2016 #125

It sure would. So why didn't they? Android3.14 Jun 2016 #126

If that's the case, the least they could've done was inform Shania that the scoring was wrong and liberalla Jun 2016 #131

I agree. It was rude to keep her uninformed of the mistake. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #132

The instructor's comment is not relevant jberryhill Jun 2016 #128

Why didn't they just explain that to the reporter then? I can see that the girl pnwmom Jun 2016 #130

A lot of news is poorly written jberryhill Jun 2016 #133

They thought they did jberryhill Jun 2016 #135

I think their mistake denied her a spot -- and they weren't strongly pnwmom Jun 2016 #136

"The fact that they didn't even bother to notify the girl..." jberryhill Jun 2016 #138

How do you come to that conclusion? Android3.14 Jun 2016 #144

Because it's poorly written and I'm not even sure the reporter understood the situation jberryhill Jun 2016 #146

I think we agree, actually. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #154

You know the reporter can choose to print whatever bits of information they want, right? DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #143

Because the reporter did a poor job of explaining the situation jberryhill Jun 2016 #147

"... they can do anything if they have determination, desire and drive.” BobTheSubgenius Jun 2016 #116

Simple. Post the judges scoresheet and fob Jun 2016 #118

Too late. The event started this week. She only found out about what happened pnwmom Jun 2016 #119

I can't help but think if this gets enough attention, they will have to include her liberalla Jun 2016 #120

PLUS! Watch out fellas, she's coming back next year for her senior year! liberalla Jun 2016 #121

And what about the number 2 guy? He can't be happy that someone who placed after him, liberalla Jun 2016 #127

It sounds like the third place winner actually placed first, if the scores were correctly entered. LisaL Jun 2016 #164

I hope ohio loses the national competition with shame. NT Ilsa Jun 2016 #122

+1000 liberalla Jun 2016 #124

Students compete on an individual basis oberliner Jun 2016 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #145

It's the way the headline is written jberryhill Jun 2016 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #155

So what was the deal with the second place finisher? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #157

Here's the full statement from the Ohio Dept. of Education oberliner Jun 2016 #159