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CrispyQ

(36,221 posts)
207. This will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I think it's spot on.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016
36 Hours, Four Violent Men, and One American Ideology
Lisa Wade, PhD on June 12, 2016

https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2016/06/12/36-hours-four-violent-men-and-one-american-ideology/

snip...

We wake up this morning to the news of the deadliest civilian mass shooting in American history. We will be sad about this for a while and we will wring our hands feeling helpless. And we should be sad and gnash our teeth because it is a senseless tragedy.

In the meantime, many of us will forget to think and talk about Brock Turner’s crime and his “summer vacation” jail sentence: three months for the vile sexual assault of an unconscious woman. One outrage replaces another and we naturally and understandably move on, as if these two crimes are unrelated. They’re not.

Brock Turner was an All-American boy — demographically and, literally, by athletic title — and what he did to his victim was All-American, too, confirmed by decades of research to be tied closely to a sense of male superiority and entitlement. I study sex on campus and sexual violence is perpetrated disproportionately by high status men — athletes and fraternity members — who are strongly invested in their identities as men.

Omar Mateen’s crime is tied to this sort of masculinity, too. Mateen’s father has already spoken to the media, revealing that his son had previously been angered by the sight of two men kissing. Anti-gay hate crimes, like violence against women (Mateen also reportedly beat his ex-wife), are tied closely to rigid and hierarchical ideas about masculinity. Mass murders have become a distinctly American way for men to defend that hierarchy. As the sociologists Tristan Bridges and Tara Leigh Tober write:

This type of rampage violence happens more in the United States of America than anywhere else… Gun control is a significant part of the problem. But, gun control is only a partial explanation for mass shootings in the United States. Mass shootings are also almost universally committed by men. So, this is not just an American problem; it’s a problem related to American masculinity and to the ways American men use guns.



American masculinity, as defined by our popular culture, is toxic. To all you parents who are raising decent human beings in this cesspool of a culture we've created, hats off to you.
IT'S. THE. GUNS. [View all] TygrBright Jun 2016 OP
K and effing R Gomez163 Jun 2016 #1
Kick mcar Jun 2016 #2
NO. IT'S. NOT. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #3
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You joined this board today... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #11
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And do you need an assault weapon? Does anyone need an assault weapon? nolabear Jun 2016 #19
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Hi, I've a question for you. Did DU get linked to again at ar15? Thanks in advance for answering. uppityperson Jun 2016 #43
Okay, let me clarify. A weapon that fires multiple shots in a short period of time w/o reloading. nolabear Jun 2016 #45
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You're not safe. Darb Jun 2016 #24
There was a cop at the site who had a gun, He could not stop the madman with an assault rifle. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #80
Go kiss your guns lunatica Jun 2016 #21
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Stupid is stupid lunatica Jun 2016 #26
On the subject of "stupidity:" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #67
So, by your reasoning, we should remove all laws against killing. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2016 #31
Thats your reasoning, not his. beevul Jun 2016 #41
Utter Bullshit. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2016 #58
Yes, utter bullshit describes your response aptly. beevul Jun 2016 #66
So you joined today so that you could tell us all mr blur Jun 2016 #46
There was an armed officer working at Pulse, according to news reports. CBHagman Jun 2016 #49
Some club-goers said if it were not for the return fire, it could have been worse. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #70
It is the availability of guns, the easy access to guns. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #6
This freak had passed a Fed NICS check to carry as a security guard.. Nancyswidower Jun 2016 #10
This isn't that incredibly goddamned stupid "good guy with a gun" bullshit, is it? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #13
Except... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #23
Armed off duty officer at entrance metroins Jun 2016 #30
Not many, and unarmed old people have stopped some too -- like Lougher. We don't need cowboys Hoyt Jun 2016 #37
The times armed civilians have ever stopped a shooter SheilaT Jun 2016 #123
How many 'good guys' with gun have stopped a mass shooter? -none Jun 2016 #169
No. They haven't. Not enough to justify all the guns. AllyCat Jun 2016 #147
Incredibly obtuse post. Darb Jun 2016 #18
Oh, yes it is. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #57
Not sure what this has to do with the easy availability of assault-style weapons with massive magazi Dem2 Jun 2016 #112
Are you being purposefully obtuse? MisterFred Jun 2016 #135
Automatic weapons are already illegal TeddyR Jun 2016 #201
AR-15s are semi-automatic. MisterFred Jun 2016 #215
Correct that AR-15s are semi-auto TeddyR Jun 2016 #217
Do you consider $500 easy? MisterFred Jun 2016 #219
I don't TeddyR Jun 2016 #220
No it's not. MisterFred Jun 2016 #221
Agree with your first point TeddyR Jun 2016 #222
Banning all guns is not my end goal. MisterFred Jun 2016 #224
I agree that a firearm ban won't happen TeddyR Jun 2016 #225
Frankly, I have no problem with that. MisterFred Jun 2016 #227
This is demonstrably false. A right-wing talking point. SpankMe Jun 2016 #149
What totally asshatery. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #151
^^^ Exactly ^^^ Albertoo Jun 2016 #158
There's been 2 mass massacares on military bases lark Jun 2016 #206
No. Most personnel are prohibited from carrying on base. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #208
It's the knives BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #4
And how many times has that happened in the last decade? trumad Jun 2016 #15
It happens in China repeatedly. At least I remember hearing the news of such atrocities. BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #20
Seriously!!! Sophiegirl Jun 2016 #61
Seriously. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #73
The poster's point was, in an environment without guns AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #160
When a crazed single person kills 50 people in a single incident with a knife packman Jun 2016 #187
10 men armed with long knives passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #92
This is an argument gun-nuts use all day Dem2 Jun 2016 #114
Ten attackers kill 29-- so 3 victims per attacker lostnfound Jun 2016 #128
Don't be purposefully obtuse. MisterFred Jun 2016 #136
An organized group of multiple people Promethean Jun 2016 #157
If the ten men had had guns snort Jun 2016 #159
Ten men with knives, but the Orlando assailant was one man with two guns. CBHagman Jun 2016 #173
The NRA can go to hell!!! Lint Head Jun 2016 #7
Guns aren't banned anywhere TeddyR Jun 2016 #32
Why are you using NRA/GOP talking points? Lint Head Jun 2016 #110
What "NRA/GOP talking point" did I use? TeddyR Jun 2016 #127
You pointed out this. Lint Head Jun 2016 #142
Is that the banks robbing us, or people robbing the banks? RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #174
Gun-nut argument Dem2 Jun 2016 #117
So how many people die each day in France from guns? SheilaT Jun 2016 #124
wrong. SOME guns ARE BANNED. uncle ray Jun 2016 #125
No TeddyR Jun 2016 #126
Didn't work that night. New Orleans Strong Jun 2016 #133
The NRA is a lobbying group for gun manufacturers. It does not protect 2nd amendment rights. Lint Head Jun 2016 #205
Besides rantng and whining online, what are you actually doing about it? DonP Jun 2016 #228
+1000 sarae Jun 2016 #181
The guns AND the magazines... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #8
3 as a limit RobertEarl Jun 2016 #17
That's not a federal limit. Calista241 Jun 2016 #28
Why limit it to just three? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #38
Is that why the NY 7 round limit Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #50
I don't know RobertEarl Jun 2016 #53
It was a arbitrary number Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #64
How about no more magazines? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #99
In the past, the 6 bullet revolver made mass murders more difficult Jim Beard Jun 2016 #153
I don't know if that will ultimately survive legal challenge Calista241 Jun 2016 #51
Shotguns can hold more than 3 rounds legally. But state laws limit to 3... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #74
That's bull shit. ag_dude Jun 2016 #111
Shotguns are illegal if they can hold more than three shells"<< nope, you just cant have more than 3 AntiBank Jun 2016 #154
we dont even have to ban them rdking647 Jun 2016 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author GreydeeThos Jun 2016 #9
Huge K&R! lunamagica Jun 2016 #12
Secession One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #16
Except 50% of people TeddyR Jun 2016 #33
It's actually 90% of Americans who want reasonable gun control laws (n/t) PJMcK Jun 2016 #184
I agree TeddyR Jun 2016 #188
The polarized position of guns rights supporters is part of the problem PJMcK Jun 2016 #190
From what I've read TeddyR Jun 2016 #202
90% of Americans support some form of gun control PJMcK Jun 2016 #203
Yep, agreed TeddyR Jun 2016 #204
And. The. Trolls. nolabear Jun 2016 #22
Today many of them are signing up as fast as they can lunatica Jun 2016 #29
Oh, I don't know, nola. We DU vets are right here. United. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #79
+1 tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #86
Thanks. nolabear Jun 2016 #131
DU vet? Meaning what? Nt Logical Jun 2016 #146
That I and others have been here in DU a long time. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #212
All the usual roaches are skittering out from the dark places. They will do the same thing they Squinch Jun 2016 #83
Funny, I clobbered 2 Forrestal-class roaches last night, but neither was armed. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #91
Who are these "roaches" you speak of? How about some names? Marengo Jun 2016 #166
because they're cowards Nevernose Jun 2016 #97
They do it on reddit too Dem2 Jun 2016 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Jun 2016 #27
Bullshit. No evidence that it was ISIL and what's the point? lostnfound Jun 2016 #129
Are you genuinely that ignorant? MisterFred Jun 2016 #137
How many bomb stores in this country, vs gun stores? -none Jun 2016 #171
ITS THE HATE Amishman Jun 2016 #34
I don't totally disagree reign88 Jun 2016 #98
Leave "mental illness" out of this: truebluegreen Jun 2016 #144
agreed. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #161
No, it is not the guns. beevul Jun 2016 #35
Americans killed by gun violence from 2005 to 2015 = 301,797 Hekate Jun 2016 #71
And at the end of each and every one of those years... beevul Jun 2016 #85
Oh, so it's okay? alarimer Jun 2016 #168
Keep your filthy words and sentiments in your own mouth and out of mine, thanks. beevul Jun 2016 #200
the number of assault weapons is fairly low passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #101
I own guns Dem2 Jun 2016 #116
It's the guns. MisterFred Jun 2016 #138
And that "tiny" percentage have children. And parents. And friends. AllyCat Jun 2016 #148
IT'S. THE. GUNS. Yes, it is. Hekate Jun 2016 #36
There is no need for any individual to own an assault weapon. TNNurse Jun 2016 #107
What is special about "assault weapons" that they need more restrictions than other guns? ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #164
Perhaps the word "assault" should explain it enough, but apparently not. TNNurse Jun 2016 #165
You have been purposely deceived. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #211
They can accept large-capacity magazines (30 rounds) that aren't readily available for most other Francis Booth Jun 2016 #198
Wrong on both parts. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #210
YES! YES! YES! I absolutely agree! scarletwoman Jun 2016 #40
Yes n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #42
Not any single problem and you can't solve it by solving only one. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #44
And the hate IronLionZion Jun 2016 #47
Both. Religion and guns. rockfordfile Jun 2016 #93
So, so true. But its just so much easier to blame, and rage against an object. nt jack_krass Jun 2016 #152
It's insane and horrifying to know that any asshole can kill 50+ people ecstatic Jun 2016 #52
Is the NRA TeddyR Jun 2016 #63
IT'S. THE. HATRED!!! ellennelle Jun 2016 #54
Blame the guns. Because it's not acceptable to blame one religion. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #55
sadly, you are correct ! nt Angel Martin Jun 2016 #72
Especially since the basic perp in US mass killings is a white male of Christian heritage... Hekate Jun 2016 #88
Thank you mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #56
OF COURSE! And to all reading, please don't engage the gun apologists in this thread. It Squinch Jun 2016 #59
I agree TeddyR Jun 2016 #65
Yes! Prohibition orthodoxy MUST be maintained. It has worked so well in the past. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #77
Yes it is, Bright. brer cat Jun 2016 #60
Dear MIRT SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #62
So you don't like dissent TeddyR Jun 2016 #68
Orthodoxy, doctrine and ideology MUST be maintained. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #84
K & R bench scientist Jun 2016 #69
Perhaps a part of the problem is the inability Stonepounder Jun 2016 #75
There is an oldie-goldie post in the GCRKBA group which lists aspersions toward gun owners. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #87
when you are ready to accept the civil war that would result from a repeal of the 2nd amendment AntiBank Jun 2016 #76
My opinion ; All guns people own should be kept locked at their local armory . They should need a geretogo Jun 2016 #78
Do you desire s total ban on death tools? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #81
YES Kimberly1990219 Jun 2016 #82
Yes. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #89
We are now LESS FREE because of guns. If you think that you need a firearm to protect vkkv Jun 2016 #90
I don't like this argument reign88 Jun 2016 #94
Its a rational argument seeing in the 20th century guns aren't an equalizer. Everyone and their ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #109
History - exactly that. Things have changed far too much for the U.S. gov't / military to vkkv Jun 2016 #143
Many misconceptions, here. Those not following the commandant to avert eyes, please.... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #95
History - exactly that. Things have changed far too much for the U.S. gov't / military to vkkv Jun 2016 #132
The countries I cited did indeed overcome far-better armed governments.... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #209
NO, the kind of examples being offered will never happen here. Vietnam? Cuba? That's your argument? vkkv Jun 2016 #213
Again, your theories of why Americans won't revolt are interesting and I may agree with some... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #216
I stand by my OP - If one thinks that they need firearms to fight a tyrannical U.S. gub'mnt vkkv Jun 2016 #218
Then Hubert H. Humphrey "fits" your notions about "gub'mnt" tyranny. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #229
How many people do you think you are reaching jmg257 Jun 2016 #106
Thank you so much Laha Jun 2016 #96
THANK YOU. calimary Jun 2016 #100
absolutely - and crazy knows no geographic boundaries wyldwolf Jun 2016 #102
No hate is number one cause, Not just up there in the top ten Nobel_Twaddle_III Jun 2016 #103
yep. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #162
Assault rifles are unnecessary and should be outlawed. Period. jalan48 Jun 2016 #104
How would you do that? Indydem Jun 2016 #120
It will happen. Events like this will make it so. Sorry. jalan48 Jun 2016 #121
SCOTUS is not a problem. MisterFred Jun 2016 #139
K & R Scurrilous Jun 2016 #105
Radical religious extreme homophobes murders jmg257 Jun 2016 #108
Don't delude yourself in thinking that anything will be done about it RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #113
Anybody who tells u that devices that make it easy to slaughter dozens of people aren't part of the Dem2 Jun 2016 #118
American culture has been conditioned from cradle to grave WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #119
Yes. The excuse for using them is irrelevant jberryhill Jun 2016 #122
It is guns and it is radical islam MariaThinks Jun 2016 #130
You are correct. fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #134
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #140
Republicans won't see this as a problem as long as the victims are voting for Democrats. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #141
Wm. Faulkner on Hope vs Hate .. DemoTex Jun 2016 #145
NO ITS NOT THE GUNS, ITS THE PEOPLE jack_krass Jun 2016 #150
makes sense to me. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2016 #163
Probably one in the same. eom fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #176
Try killing 49 people with a freakin stick! RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #175
EXACTLY gopiscrap Jun 2016 #155
If America has such a problem lancer78 Jun 2016 #156
Please don't post discredited Right-Wing sources. sarae Jun 2016 #180
Thank you fit this post mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #167
How many "good guys with guns" does it take? HockeyMom Jun 2016 #170
It's the Humans nolabels Jun 2016 #172
Forget that, I want my 2nd amendment right to bear arms. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #177
Imagine, we as humans might even be doing one better with our own stupidity nolabels Jun 2016 #191
step 1 rdking647 Jun 2016 #178
So I'd have to pay a $200 tax on each of the normal capacity magazines I own? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #182
who needs 100 15 round magazines? rdking647 Jun 2016 #189
I need them to kill deer during hunting season. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #193
Most of them are 30 round magazines. I have at about 20 magazines for each of my rifles. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #223
Of course it is the guns but it's more PJMcK Jun 2016 #183
A gun that won’t work if they steal one. fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #185
Anyone defending their own gun fetish after a horror like this is disgusting. hunter Jun 2016 #186
Forget those puny AR-15s RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #194
Nope. It's the religious radicalization. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #192
k and r +infinity niyad Jun 2016 #195
washington post article about convergence of terrorism and mass shootings niyad Jun 2016 #196
like abortion, guns are a right Elmergantry Jun 2016 #197
K&R Night Watchman Jun 2016 #199
This will probably ruffle a few feathers, but I think it's spot on. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #207
IT'S. THE. POLITICIANS. kentuck Jun 2016 #214
Of course it's the guns. moondust Jun 2016 #226
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