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JonathanRackham

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81. For any given problem there can be multiple points of responsibility.

Tue May 31, 2016, 04:08 PM

May 2016

Maybe the parents could have watched their child a little better, maybe the zoo could have done something a little better.

Consider, does every linear mile of railroad track need a fence on both sides with barbed wire on top backed up with an electric fence?

There are children who are a little more inquisitive than others, there are some parents that are less attentive than others.

I predict in the end only the lawyers will benefit.

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PARENTS are responsible for the safety of their children. [View all] Coventina May 2016 OP

No one should ever be able to get into a zoo enclosure. bigwillq May 2016 #1

Oh please spare me. Coventina May 2016 #5

Both public places and parents should be held equally responsible bigwillq May 2016 #6

It is the parents' duty to ensure the child's safety. End of story. Coventina May 2016 #13

There will always be a way in bigwillq May 2016 #16

Please explain to me how this kid would have entered the exhibit with a parent watching? Coventina May 2016 #18

the outer world will never be bubble-wrapped for the convenience of parents. eos. magical thyme May 2016 #38

Mother? RoccoR5955 May 2016 #50

Mothers & fathers. It's my understanding that in this instance the father was not there. n/t Coventina May 2016 #68

Why wasn't he there with his kids? Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #120

Maybe he was working? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #129

I assume Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #130

Missed that Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #131

plus 1000! rusty fender May 2016 #75

IKR? It seems like everyone else is supposed to take responsibility, because...."stuff happens" Coventina May 2016 #76

It was a FREAK accident Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #121

The woman ignored her kid when he said he was going to play with the gorillas. Coventina Jun 2016 #133

Right. Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #134

Thanks, I will continue to criticize inattentive parents. n/t Coventina Jun 2016 #135

Ha... Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #136

It's nice... sendero Jun 2016 #146

So the public is responsible when a parent leaves a child in the car? onecaliberal May 2016 #27

So if a child is kidnapped while at the zoo avebury May 2016 #49

No zoo enclosure should be easy for a determined 4 year old to penetrate. pnwmom May 2016 #32

To be fair, I think a determined four year-old... scscholar May 2016 #64

Easy??? Lol, yes it happened once in 30 years when a kid was not watched..... Logical May 2016 #79

This looks pretty easy. It's surprising it had never happened before. pnwmom May 2016 #80

THREE foot barrier!? prayin4rain May 2016 #90

And the source of the diagram was the director of the zoo. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #91

March 1988: Madison, WI Bettie May 2016 #36

And it occurs to me that if a four year old can get INTO an enclosure so easily, thucythucy May 2016 #82

There is that as well Bettie May 2016 #97

That is the purpose of the moat and the 15' drop. Ms. Toad May 2016 #99

Glad they keep up on it. thucythucy Jun 2016 #111

Also, I will add,... ret5hd May 2016 #2

Somehow, myself and my siblings managed to grow up in the dangerous 1970s Coventina May 2016 #3

Why so snarky to someone agreeing with you? ret5hd May 2016 #7

Sorry, wasn't trying to be snarky. Was agreeing. Coventina May 2016 #9

Good deal... ret5hd May 2016 #12

heh Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #122

Did you ever do anything that your parents didn't see? Ptah May 2016 #21

My parents were like two Cyberdine M101 security sentries Frank Cannon May 2016 #25

Hence, the very nature of seat belts simply coddles and enables bad parenting. LanternWaste May 2016 #23

What are you talking about? We had child car seats and seat belts growing up! Coventina May 2016 #24

In 1981 the CDC reported only 11% of people used seat belts, pnwmom May 2016 #33

Nobody is perfect, but they are still responsible. n/t Coventina May 2016 #69

And so are zoos. They are responsible for making sure their enclosures pnwmom May 2016 #71

If the gorilla escaped the enclosure, I'd agree with you. n/t Coventina May 2016 #72

If this was an adult who'd gotten into the enclosure, I'd agree with you. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #77

Back in the 50s my dad's family took a trip to DC LeftyMom May 2016 #35

My son was a handful PatSeg May 2016 #44

My kid sister and my son were hell on wheels too. LeftyMom May 2016 #56

Oh, I can totally relate to all this! PatSeg May 2016 #66

But if your son had told you he was "going swimming" BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #114

The mother had at least one other child with her. It's awfully hard to be 100% pnwmom May 2016 #78

And even when my daughter wasn't PatSeg May 2016 #86

The stories I heard about my husband and his brother . . . pnwmom May 2016 #87

Yeah PatSeg May 2016 #89

Me and my siblings grew up in the 1960s RoccoR5955 May 2016 #52

True. deathrind May 2016 #28

Comparative negligence metroins May 2016 #4

And such reasonable measures were taken, as demonstrated by DECADES of Coventina May 2016 #8

There's multiple parties at fault metroins May 2016 #11

As I posted down thread, yes, establishments have to have some safety measures. Coventina May 2016 #17

a reasonable prudent person could foresee that no one adult can control 4 small children magical thyme May 2016 #41

So what, she can never leave the house? moriah May 2016 #48

no. you arrange to go places with a spouse or relative or friend magical thyme May 2016 #93

Then I hope you're never a mom with four kids and a husband working.... moriah Jun 2016 #110

if you have 4 small children and can't afford a babysitter, then you can't afford to go to the zoo. magical thyme Jun 2016 #126

Right Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #124

the world is a dangerous place. parking lots are dangerous, busway and subway stops are dangerous magical thyme Jun 2016 #125

Listen Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #127

you're awesome! renate Jun 2016 #151

I totally agree with you. avebury May 2016 #58

she works for a daycare?!?!?!!!!! jeez, now there's a daycare I'd remove my child from in a magical thyme May 2016 #94

Yes the were her kids. avebury May 2016 #95

A reasonably prudent person would expect the mother to be watching her young so the little jtuck004 May 2016 #42

Nice to call a kid a "fuck trophy". moriah May 2016 #46

You certainly don't think much of that woman, do you? How pathetic. jtuck004 May 2016 #47

I think accidents happen and no one is perfect. And I hope you are never a parent... moriah May 2016 #53

Jury results merrily May 2016 #59

Fuck trophy??? Wow, what a disgusting term to call a child. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #65

You should probably consider therapy. n/t prayin4rain May 2016 #92

As opposed to people who feed children to gorillas via thier negligence, or people jtuck004 May 2016 #98

Oh, I get it now. A Colbert style Limbaugh parody. Cute! n/t prayin4rain May 2016 #104

ditto Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #128

I personally think "fuck trophy" is great! BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #116

This place WatchWhatISay Jun 2016 #144

Remember, the little boy repeatedly told his mother that he wanted No Vested Interest May 2016 #43

+1 narnian60 May 2016 #102

And that is the damning evidence right there BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #117

Yup, that would have been my cue to say, "let's go see the giraffes", winter is coming Jun 2016 #141

Good point. Distract the child by providing an alternative. nt No Vested Interest Jun 2016 #142

"if you can't handle such a responsibility, please, don't reproduce." unblock May 2016 #10

Agreed that there is a level of safety that has to be maintained. Coventina May 2016 #15

used to was parents were responsible oldandhappy May 2016 #14

K and r. cwydro May 2016 #19

I agree parents are ultimately responsible jehop61 May 2016 #20

Perception vs reality One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #22

I don't think that zoos are responsible for ADULTS who intend to harm themselves Nay May 2016 #30

I have a touch-look sister who did just that! sofa king May 2016 #26

All public beaches should also be closed. edgineered May 2016 #29

Parents do have the primary responsibility, but the society they live in should help karynnj May 2016 #31

My wife has "little kid in peril" radar Frank Cannon May 2016 #34

I have done this as well Bettie May 2016 #37

I once prevented a child from LibDemAlways May 2016 #57

That's from shock and embarrassment. Frank Cannon May 2016 #62

Exactly. If it was difficult for the mother to control four kids at the zoo, she shouldn't have valerief May 2016 #39

Some questions Arizona Roadrunner May 2016 #40

Okay, and when you have a child and fuck up for five minutes, accept your crucifixion. moriah May 2016 #45

If a child ever were to die / be seriously injured in my care, because I was "distracted" so be it. Coventina May 2016 #70

And has she been doing that? No. moriah May 2016 #73

I can't speak for this zoo in particular, as I've never been, but every zoo I have been to Coventina May 2016 #74

Yes. The thing that is sickening to me, though, is that no one seems to understand that... moriah May 2016 #83

People are crucifying the mother because an innocent, endangered creature was sacrificed due to her Coventina May 2016 #85

I, too, wish that neither primate had to die. moriah Jun 2016 #109

Very tragic story, and I'm so sorry for your friend's loss. Coventina Jun 2016 #112

What more was she supposed to do? moriah Jun 2016 #113

I didn't intend to anger you, but you did post the story, I assumed for my comment. Coventina Jun 2016 #115

I thought I made the circumstances pretty clear on those points in the first post. moriah Jun 2016 #118

Just because somebody was responsible doesn't mean they were ill-intentioned. Coventina Jun 2016 #132

I agree, but you can't say someone who shouldn't be... moriah Jun 2016 #137

Your point is well-taken. In that larger sense, we are all to blame. Coventina Jun 2016 #139

It wasn't four preschoolers... moriah Jun 2016 #143

People should stop referring the incident as an accident. avebury May 2016 #105

Unless you are there, have video, or have other... moriah Jun 2016 #108

she didn't fuck up for 5 minutes. she fucked up when she chose to take 4 kids to a busy, high magical thyme May 2016 #96

I watched an interview last night xloadiex May 2016 #51

That sounds like the type of kid who has no fear of anything avebury May 2016 #61

I can't tell you how many times I've watched parents crossing WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #54

I saw that the other day. LibDemAlways May 2016 #63

I see so many parents allow their kids to climb everywhere liberal N proud May 2016 #55

There isn't a parent alive who LibDemAlways May 2016 #60

Blame serves to comfort us into thinking it would never happen to us. We're wrong. nolabear May 2016 #67

Oh my, PatSeg May 2016 #88

I feel ya, sister! I felt terrible about all those things, but nolabear Jun 2016 #149

Thanks for some sanity PatSeg Jun 2016 #153

Great post! and that is so true, raccoon Jun 2016 #147

Very true! PatSeg Jun 2016 #154

Wow... I've been lucky with my sons so far. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2016 #148

Little disasters you can roll with. We really were fine almost all the time. nolabear Jun 2016 #150

For any given problem there can be multiple points of responsibility. JonathanRackham May 2016 #81

I don't know the mother, so I'm not going to pass judgement ... salinsky May 2016 #84

Legally, you are incorrect. Ms. Toad May 2016 #100

There is strict liability when it comes to dangerous animals. Gomez163 May 2016 #101

Not for zoos. Ms. Toad May 2016 #106

Ok Gomez163 May 2016 #107

It seems like there's more anger at this mom than at the parents EllieBC May 2016 #103

It must be difficult Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #119

no shit... lame54 Jun 2016 #123

Hmmm...that sounds way too reasonable for DU, won't fly. Rex Jun 2016 #138

*sigh* You would think, after 14 years I would learn this. Coventina Jun 2016 #140

Parents... or whoever is the guardian at the moment.. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2016 #145

Absolutely agree. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #152