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ancianita

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45. At heart it is. The test of that is the free will choice to remove it. We know the result.

Reply to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Fri Apr 29, 2016, 12:44 PM

Apr 2016

Where dress codes are not enforced, spiritual dominance and territorial control are given up and the spiritual equality of the wearers' free will, and faith in their faithfulness to belief is a kind of "reform."

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Requiring Wearing A Head Scarf, Burqa, Or Other Body Covering Is NOT Religion But Misogyny. [View all] TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 OP

It's both. Religion doesn't get a free pass. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #1

+100 Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #2

Is there a religin which isn't misogynistic? mr blur Apr 2016 #11

Well I didn't want to give the religionists a thread-bare argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #30

Have Lutherans or Episcopalians advocated stoning women to death? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #88

The Shakers were founded by Ann Lee. rug Apr 2016 #95

For the nuns too??? n/t malaise Apr 2016 #3

That is a choice. Indydem Apr 2016 #9

In Europe and the Americas... Chan790 Apr 2016 #23

A lot of assumptions there. Indydem Apr 2016 #28

Thank you. n/t whathehell Apr 2016 #39

+1000, Chan790. Hortensis Apr 2016 #32

No. No you don't. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #49

Me, yes. But I'm talking about Muslim women. Hortensis Apr 2016 #54

Are you familiar with the concept 'duress'? AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #58

We all must decide our own attitudes Hortensis Apr 2016 #67

Indeed. AtheistCrusader Apr 2016 #85

If all of the women in a particular group of Muslims, let's say SheilaT Apr 2016 #56

I am curious what you are basing this on? etherealtruth Apr 2016 #90

If you can't understand the difference between an optional religious order Kurska Apr 2016 #15

It's excusable because it's misogyny-lite? cleanhippie Apr 2016 #17

I said it was silly and foolish. I'd rather it not be a thing. Kurska Apr 2016 #19

I don't disagree with you. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #20

Nuns in America, at least, modernized their whathehell Apr 2016 #41

Mandatory social edict? a la izquierda Apr 2016 #55

I'm not talking about all western Muslims. Kurska Apr 2016 #59

They live in Turkey. Nt a la izquierda Apr 2016 #61

And? Kurska Apr 2016 #63

Absolutely. Christianity is Misogynic. Nuns are but one great example of it in Catholocism. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2016 #26

Hilarious... I know two nuns in two different orders. whathehell Apr 2016 #42

Remember the last time a nun got stoned to death or beheaded for not covering her head? Oneironaut Apr 2016 #73

Whatever. We all will be starving soon enough to worry about it much. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #4

Or paying Nestle for your bottled water. gordianot Apr 2016 #5

Exactly. Wonder when they will wake up to the simple fact Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #7

Flint Michigan was a good trial balloon for that. gordianot Apr 2016 #12

No that was an excellent example. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #13

K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #6

Does that apply to yamakas too? nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #8

Are people stoned for not wearing yamakas? Indydem Apr 2016 #10

Was stoning an implicit part and parcel of the original question? LanternWaste Apr 2016 #21

Women don't wear yamakas, but Judism is horribly misogynic, yes. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2016 #27

When the govt/society forces women to do it, it's misogyny. Otherwise, it's religion. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #14

What about when it is their families? Kurska Apr 2016 #16

But when the government/larger society is not forcing this, the concept CAN be Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #22

People have a RIGHT to wear whatever they want. Kurska Apr 2016 #33

Yes! I agree. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #50

^^^ Very well said. nt. MH1 Apr 2016 #94

+100. n/t whathehell Apr 2016 #43

And that makes it ok? cleanhippie Apr 2016 #18

Individuals have the right to their own modesty rules. Defending individual freedom Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #24

All religions, at their core, are misoginistic. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #37

It's religious misogyny whatthehey Apr 2016 #25

Probably., but why single out Islam for misogyny? Catholics make it a part of their Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #29

Why single out Islam for defense of it? Kurska Apr 2016 #34

That is easy, the reason right wing xtians annoy the fuck out of me. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #38

And Islamic extremist don't? Kurska Apr 2016 #51

And let's not forget the other Abrahamic Big Mythology sect... Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #35

Agreed Egnever Apr 2016 #31

I once witnessed behavior on the part of a group LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #36

Tell that to some of the Gulf Arab feminists I have known... you would surely enjoy the tongue JCMach1 Apr 2016 #40

Do you think that forcing only women to cover their faces is misogyny by definition? Democat Apr 2016 #44

Any force of women's free will about anything is definitely coming from a misogynistic place. ancianita Apr 2016 #46

Just pointing out it's more complicated than a simple misogyny label... JCMach1 Apr 2016 #93

Lol.. whathehell Apr 2016 #47

At heart it is. The test of that is the free will choice to remove it. We know the result. ancianita Apr 2016 #45

I'm sure ranting at us about it will solve the problem handily Scootaloo Apr 2016 #48

He's not pointlessly preaching to the choir Kurska Apr 2016 #52

No, he's pointlessly yelling at a crowd. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #57

I don't get the distinction or your point EOM. Kurska Apr 2016 #60

Really? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #66

The point is the undiscussed and oft ignored form of oppression this represents Kurska Apr 2016 #68

Undiscussed my ass Scootaloo Apr 2016 #71

To answer your question, no I am not an absolute jerk Kurska Apr 2016 #74

Alright, so you just "criticize" online, away from the subjects of criticism? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #84

I never said I haven't had the discussion Kurska Apr 2016 #89

I basically posted the same thing several months ago packman Apr 2016 #53

And that is my issue in a nutshell. The men get to wear whatever they want, while the women have to Coventina Apr 2016 #62

I find it absolutely perplexing that some humans have a problem with the human body. Kurska Apr 2016 #70

No. the invisible man in the sky is a convenient excuse. They can say, "it's the will of God." Coventina Apr 2016 #72

I'd call it Religion-Enabled-and-Justified Misogyny Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #64

Religion and misogyny are not mutually exclusive. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #65

A local mosque invited neighbors in, we went. I asked the fella at the door, if my wife covered her jtuck004 Apr 2016 #69

The requirement of hiding yourself under a giant blanket with eyeholes because little boys Oneironaut Apr 2016 #75

it is indeed pathetic Skittles Apr 2016 #91

What happens when a religion dictates that men wear a headcovering and women Glassunion Apr 2016 #76

Any god that requires a specific mode of dress is laughably immature and doesn't deserve worship. Coventina Apr 2016 #77

Does not answer my question. Specifically adressing the misogyny statement from the OP. Glassunion Apr 2016 #82

OK then, I'll let the OP answer for themselves. I can only speak for myself, and that is any Coventina Apr 2016 #83

Many religions require covering the head randr Apr 2016 #78

Exactly how I feel. Anyone who wants to argue otherwise can feel free to explain why CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #79

If you think it's a choice.... davidn3600 Apr 2016 #80

True.. But claiming the high road SomethingFishy Apr 2016 #81

Paternalistic "white man's burden" BS. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #86

Did you think the same about apartheid? Democat Apr 2016 #96

Bullshit comparison. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #97

Religion Generally Treats ALL Women As Inferiors. TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 #87

CORRECT Skittles Apr 2016 #92

Blaming religion for sexism is getting the casuality backwards. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #98