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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
157. Links. Try to be progressive. There is no sarcasm about this. People's lives are at stake.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016
Housing First: get the homeless housing and then all the other problems become more tractable.

Medicine Hat: http://www.theplaidzebra.com/a-city-in-canada-tried-giving-free-housing-to-the-homeless-and-its-working/

Thankfully, Canada has been relatively accepting of the Housing First initiative in places other than Medicine Hat. Six other cities in Alberta, including major cities Edmonton and Calgary, have taken a Housing First approach, and have seen a 16 per cent overall drop in homelessness since 2008 as a result. In Vancouver — a city notorious for its rapidly increasing homeless population in the 1990s and early 2000s — hundreds of homeless people have been put into permanent homes, though the city still has much work to do in this respect. The federal government has also devoted itself to a Housing First plan until at least 2019.

Other countries have followed suit, with the Obama administration listing the method as a best practice for eliminating chronic homelessness, and Finland and France both instituting similar measures.


Medicine Hat: http://www.mhchs.ca/
Medicine Hat: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/15/medicine-hat-homeless_n_5332531.html

Until recently, Clugston was on the other side of the debate about how to end homelessness. He spent six years on council before becoming mayor late last year. “When I first got elected on council I was a bit of a cowboy, and I was actually speaking against a lot of these projects. I was one of their biggest detractors,” he said. But Clugston said the members of the Medicine Hat Community Housing Society spent six years making a convert out of him.

“And now I’ve become their advocate and have to admit it’s the right thing to do, it’s the moral thing to do. And it makes sense financially,” he said.

“If you can get somebody off the street, it saves the emergency room visits, it saves the police, it saves the justice system — and so when you add up all those extra costs … you can buy a lot of housing for that amount of money.”

And once people are housed, it’s easier for support workers to help them with a co-ordinated delivery of social services to address issues such as substance abuse and mental health problems, Clugston said.


Utah: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free

It may seem surprising that a solidly conservative state like Utah has embraced an apparently bleeding-heart approach like giving homeless people homes. But in fact Housing First has become the rule in hundreds of cities around the country, in states both red and blue. And while the Obama Administration has put a lot of weight (and money) behind these efforts, the original impetus for them on a national scale came from the Bush Administration’s homelessness czar Philip Mangano. Indeed, the fight against homelessness has genuine bipartisan support.


Almost free housing in San Francisco ($375 avg): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Housing_Partnership

Still think it is a stupid idea worthy of a sarcasm tag?

Or is it a progressive idea proven to work that is worthy of more serious consideration than you are willing to give it?
There is a problem with this. Where is the money coming from? If it comes from the rhett o rick Apr 2016 #1
Plenty of money to fund it: Panama is overflowing with cash. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #17
It's been Hoovered up. Time to claw it back down. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #210
Where is the money coming from? why bernie of course, saturnsring Apr 2016 #28
you know that Canada is trying this, right? nt Javaman Apr 2016 #51
Stop challenging the simple minded. Phlem Apr 2016 #85
simple minded lol name calling is such the mark of a great mind saturnsring Apr 2016 #170
How else would you describe non functioning brain matter? Phlem Apr 2016 #172
This Fall in Ontario. But it was also tried earlier in Manitoba LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #148
+1 Thanks for sharing this! Phlem Apr 2016 #177
It's Not All Greed. The Far Left Apr 2016 #246
That's an awesome find bud! Phlem Apr 2016 #247
I am never surprised at the callousness of those that side with the Rich Fat Cats. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #181
Arent you the one who spoke up first about not wanting to contribute? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #201
Boy can you twist things around. The biggest problem facing us today is the rhett o rick Apr 2016 #206
If spin was a sport, you would have the equivalent of the Heisman. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #211
Did you notice. Rilesome Apr 2016 #234
great strawman saturnsring Apr 2016 #202
If that's all you have to say, off to ignoresville for you. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #208
run along then -- why do people feel the need to tell you theyre putting you on ignore saturnsring Apr 2016 #213
It gives them the LAST WORD Vincardog Apr 2016 #232
Wow! Fifteen Million!?!? maddiemom Apr 2016 #214
It is simple. Let Trump pay for it. Vincardog Apr 2016 #216
make him pay for it after what he's put us through saturnsring Apr 2016 #222
The other side lifting their dressies and showing their a$$e$ is never a bad thing Vincardog Apr 2016 #233
Basic economics - multiplier effect. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #30
I certainly understand this, however, we must figure in the percentage scraped off the top rhett o rick Apr 2016 #182
Yes absolutely. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #225
There are many possibilities to fund UBI pberq Apr 2016 #43
Yeah Man I like Your Thinking StarzGuy Apr 2016 #66
I support what you wrote. Of course none of the Cinton supporters would be on board. Those rhett o rick Apr 2016 #184
This is why they are so afraid of Bernie Sanders. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #228
Surely, you are not asking that question. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #55
It's a question that will be asked by many, and it's a question that should be discussed PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #71
No ... I completely agree. It IS a very pertinent question ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #78
You're right it is a pertinent question, and there are many possible ways to fund it pberq Apr 2016 #81
With all due respect....THAT is the only pertinent question. nt clarice Apr 2016 #126
Again, my comment was directed towards the person ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #128
SOOOOO Sorry..... I miss-read. Peace. nt clarice Apr 2016 #129
No worries ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #134
Agreed.nt clarice Apr 2016 #135
If that question doesn't result in a doable answer ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #140
I know where it should come from, but wanted others to give their opinions. I notice rhett o rick Apr 2016 #230
Haven't you figured out by now ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #231
Well look who showed up in a thread about helping the poor. Rarely find any rhett o rick Apr 2016 #187
I am NOT a HRC supporter ... How many times do you need to tell you before it sinks in? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #189
Sorry, you must be one of very few non-progressives that doesn't support Clinton. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #191
Sorry is correct. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #192
So that's all you have to contribute to this thread? Do you support helping the poor or maybe no? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #193
Yes ... I support helping the poor ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #195
Trickle down is what Clinton proposes. She calls it "grow the economy". That's code for frack rhett o rick Apr 2016 #212
Okay. That's inaccurate ... No, incorrect; but, okay. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #221
Your argument isn't very compelling. By the way, I'd like to respond to your sig. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #224
You mean the expansion based on the law ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #229
He made it very clear that he ruluctantly signed the law while you read what BLM said about rhett o rick Apr 2016 #248
"How many times do you need to tell you"?! whathehell Apr 2016 #254
And no one else? I the interests of civility talk to your boy/girl! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #257
Riiiiight whathehell Apr 2016 #258
Just curious ... Why did you select me as the person to be told to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #259
because your anger was spilling over & making your text incomprehensible whathehell Apr 2016 #261
LOL ... BS; but, okay 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #262
LOL..Based on experience, I suspected you'd dismiss any answer I gave you whathehell Apr 2016 #263
Here is a better question for you hollowdweller Apr 2016 #61
I'm not sure this could replace all disability passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #158
"Where is the money coming from?" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #84
I agree. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #188
What's money, after all? malthaussen Apr 2016 #86
I totally agree with you that it cannot come from those who jwirr Apr 2016 #103
The IRS administers it 1939 Apr 2016 #117
Since I have worked for a county agency - you are correct. jwirr Apr 2016 #124
You would be able to dismantle every wasteful government program My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #111
Money comes from existing programs. Cosmic Kitten Apr 2016 #183
I hear you and that would be good, but currently the Rich Fat Cats are scrapping off their rhett o rick Apr 2016 #190
What is money? How do you understand what money is? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #219
I would love to continue this discussion, but my point here is related to wealth and not money. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #223
I totally agree with you on that. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #226
There was a time that wealth could be easily created. It was mainly because of cheap or free rhett o rick Apr 2016 #227
After all that the wealthy stole from our coffers over the last 15 years? I would say track it down silvershadow Apr 2016 #220
The banks fasttense Apr 2016 #252
Yes I agree. I guess my point, that I didn't do a very good job of making, is that any discussion rhett o rick Apr 2016 #255
Check HRC's Banking Regulation platform. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #260
I think part of the point of a UBI is the U part tk2kewl Apr 2016 #2
Yep. ronnie624 Apr 2016 #4
Guaranteed by whom?nt clarice Apr 2016 #59
Government, presumably. malthaussen Apr 2016 #89
Where would the money come from?nt clarice Apr 2016 #92
Money is stored labor. malthaussen Apr 2016 #98
Specifically where? And, I'm afraid that money is ALWAYS the question.nt clarice Apr 2016 #101
Here are some specifics pberq Apr 2016 #102
No, money is a metaphor. malthaussen Apr 2016 #109
Believe me when I say that I mean NO disrespect.....but clarice Apr 2016 #116
Sure, I'll believe you. malthaussen Apr 2016 #137
Very well said..... clarice Apr 2016 #165
Control of the means of production is no part of UPI... malthaussen Apr 2016 #186
The same guarantor of all of our rights, of course: ronnie624 Apr 2016 #200
If I had a UBI NobodyHere Apr 2016 #3
Which means you'd stop competing for wages with people who want to work Recursion Apr 2016 #6
Who will pick up trash and clean toilets for the same $$ as doing nothing ? Bonx Apr 2016 #10
I'd do it for the right amount of money. *that's* literally the point Recursion Apr 2016 #11
Why not $100/hour ? Bonx Apr 2016 #12
Because I'd pick up trash for less than that Recursion Apr 2016 #19
But you wouldn't pick up trash for less than this free basic income. Bonx Apr 2016 #23
I think you're missing the sense of "basic" Recursion Apr 2016 #34
No, my point is that basic would have to be so small Bonx Apr 2016 #76
True...and if you DON"T leave the couch...then you shouldn't expect anyone else to pay you.nt clarice Apr 2016 #122
what abt those who are too sick to leave the couch? redruddyred Apr 2016 #205
Yes.. I have always believed that a nation as fortunate as we are...... clarice Apr 2016 #209
There are not so many able-bodied couch potatos as people imagine... hunter Apr 2016 #238
Yes.. agreed 100%....but clarice Apr 2016 #265
I do not consider most employment "productive." hunter Apr 2016 #268
Either does 50% unemployment. IMHO.nt clarice Apr 2016 #269
It's a myth that people don't want to work gollygee Apr 2016 #256
Wages for work should not be competitive with welfare My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #155
Reductio ad absurdum. ChazInAz Apr 2016 #38
Funny, that's he same argument Republicans use against the minimum wage Lordquinton Apr 2016 #69
If we're talking about a national $15/hr minimum wage, that's not a good idea either. Bonx Apr 2016 #80
Yes... I admire the people who pick up the trash and.... clarice Apr 2016 #121
Nobody. That's literally the point. hunter Apr 2016 #13
So the wealthy will be picking up trash and mopping the public schools and city hall Bonx Apr 2016 #16
You have no idea... hunter Apr 2016 #49
The money earned from those jobs would be additional income. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #20
So poor working people supporting really poor drunk people. Bonx Apr 2016 #24
Only if you dismiss what others have told you already about how this would be paid for. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #26
I'm sorry I don't agree that this laughable idea is viable. Bonx Apr 2016 #27
That's painfully obvious. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #32
obtuse = you don't agree Bonx Apr 2016 #75
Actually in this case tkmorris Apr 2016 #106
Tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about it. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #203
Do some research Lordquinton Apr 2016 #70
Yep, but what works on the micro scale might not work on the macro. malthaussen Apr 2016 #91
Of course not. Phlem Apr 2016 #87
AND THERE IT IS!!! I've been waiting for someone who's out of ammo to play the Republican card. clarice Apr 2016 #132
So that's how your interpreting this. Phlem Apr 2016 #136
So..I guess you are saying "Thank God my Mother married a Republican prick?".... clarice Apr 2016 #168
Yea that's exactly what I'm saying. Phlem Apr 2016 #171
Whatever it takes. nt clarice Apr 2016 #174
To assume otherwise would be naive. Phlem Apr 2016 #175
You know what they say about "assume".nt clarice Apr 2016 #178
Whats laughable .99center Apr 2016 #108
Ironic, given your tag line dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #244
Have you done any research on this matter? happyslug Apr 2016 #185
Everyone will get a UBI under this system (even those who work) - so someone who cleans MillennialDem Apr 2016 #204
Amen..... daleanime Apr 2016 #18
To add to that, JoeyT Apr 2016 #53
Yep. Recursion Apr 2016 #62
Basic Braudel. malthaussen Apr 2016 #104
+1 nt laundry_queen Apr 2016 #241
And Old Codger Apr 2016 #72
Not everyone will behave in the same way Politicub Apr 2016 #15
Yes, but how or why should we fund everyone on the planet? nt clarice Apr 2016 #95
I don't believe the US should fund everyone on the planet Politicub Apr 2016 #96
cool with that...but doesn't UBI stand for UNIVERSAL basic income?nt clarice Apr 2016 #100
How do we prevent non-Americans from taking advantage? Build a wall? jonno99 Apr 2016 #105
Not sure - but I doubt the solution includes building a wall Politicub Apr 2016 #119
A UBI would probably be a crappy amount of money. Oneironaut Apr 2016 #22
Just enough for basic housing... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #33
Where do you live that $600 a month would provide basic housing? Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2016 #39
You are right. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #45
"special class of housing" - I think we call those "slums". Nope, we've got to do better...nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #107
My low income housing rent is $700/mo.. Wounded Bear Apr 2016 #44
See my answer in post #45. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #46
yup... it's a BAD plan.nt clarice Apr 2016 #94
Interesting premise. Not something I have looked at yet. Xyzse Apr 2016 #5
Oddly enough it was an idea from Nixon Recursion Apr 2016 #7
Nixon was an interesting fellow. Xyzse Apr 2016 #8
The thing with Nixon was that he was still a New Dealer at his core forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #131
I see... Thank you for telling me. Xyzse Apr 2016 #154
UBI is the future EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #9
+1,000,000 daleanime Apr 2016 #37
No worries and... EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #73
Exactly right. - eom dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #245
That is crazy. Poor people have to suffer. Helen Borg Apr 2016 #14
Forced life-skills classes are condescending. Oneironaut Apr 2016 #21
The question becomes..... daleanime Apr 2016 #41
People need jobs the way the economy is currently constructed... malthaussen Apr 2016 #97
I'm not opposed to drug testing for this sort of thing .99center Apr 2016 #133
First, as I asked above, where is this wealth coming from? Serious question. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #25
Soylent green... think Apr 2016 #29
UBI is a way to improve on capitalism and democracy pberq Apr 2016 #31
Paying people NOT to be "consumers," to walk lightly upon the earth, is a great idea. hunter Apr 2016 #35
Right because people are going to magically stop wanting things. EllieBC Apr 2016 #67
Um, what??? hunter Apr 2016 #79
"Paying people not to be consumers". EllieBC Apr 2016 #99
As Napoleon pointed out, with enough medals he could win any war. malthaussen Apr 2016 #114
Some things are worse than others... hunter Apr 2016 #150
You may hate those things but not everyone does. EllieBC Apr 2016 #218
Am I telling you how to live? hunter Apr 2016 #240
I'm reminded of an article from the NY Times in the 1970s Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2016 #36
Isn't it funny... malthaussen Apr 2016 #118
cool we can all quit our jobs -- saturnsring Apr 2016 #40
And?...Does this person not deserve the means to access the basic necessities of life? Marengo Apr 2016 #50
some people choose not to think through their knee jerk replies. Javaman Apr 2016 #60
It truly is! Especially as the UBI/GMI concept is progressive and so desperately needed... Marengo Apr 2016 #65
If he's not willing to life a finger and help other people NobodyHere Apr 2016 #74
nope my point was a response to the article that said saturnsring Apr 2016 #153
But would you? subterranean Apr 2016 #64
Yep, it's funny. malthaussen Apr 2016 #142
no i wouldnt but most people dont make that any more - but if i were working 2-3 jobs saturnsring Apr 2016 #156
Perhaps that would force business into a living wage then Marrah_G Apr 2016 #236
So unemployable homeless people deserve to die. Got it. hunter Apr 2016 #82
no they dont saturnsring Apr 2016 #161
If we don't try it and soon astrophuss42 Apr 2016 #42
A recent report on the increasing interest worldwide in UBI pberq Apr 2016 #47
Sam Seder had a great GBI scientist/advocate interview on awhile back. byronius Apr 2016 #48
I tend to agree. malthaussen Apr 2016 #149
Nixon proposed this concept half a century ago DaveT Apr 2016 #52
This makes particular sense . . . Richard D Apr 2016 #54
We have the resources on this planet to feed, cloth, teach. house every human being Marrah_G Apr 2016 #56
Yep. There are no shortages Recursion Apr 2016 #63
What SHOULD our society be structured on? nt clarice Apr 2016 #123
I'm not sure Marrah_G Apr 2016 #215
So how would you be compensated for your labor? nt clarice Apr 2016 #264
We should definitely study that and see what some of the top minds come up with Marrah_G Apr 2016 #266
Perhaps...but with my natural distrust... clarice Apr 2016 #270
I am not talking about think tanks or politicians Marrah_G Apr 2016 #271
Agreed 1000%.nt clarice Apr 2016 #273
We have to go to this eventually, once the machines make it impossible for many people to find jobs. tclambert Apr 2016 #57
A UBI is the only thing that will save this country zalinda Apr 2016 #58
"but the vast majority will contribute back to society" Do you have statistics?...or clarice Apr 2016 #125
Of course, the reverse question applies. malthaussen Apr 2016 #151
As you mentioned in a previous post... Human nature. nt clarice Apr 2016 #169
Maybe human nature as you've experienced it zalinda Apr 2016 #194
I also step up as often as possible...but I fear that we are in the minority. nt clarice Apr 2016 #196
That's been my thinking for awhile. PersonNumber503602 Apr 2016 #68
Free housing is proven to greatly reduce joblessness, drug abuse, hospital costs, wherever done. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #77
Where is this done? (or did you forget to add the sarcasm thingee?) nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #110
Links. Try to be progressive. There is no sarcasm about this. People's lives are at stake. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #157
Thanks for the info! nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #160
Utah comes to mind: malthaussen Apr 2016 #159
Thanks! nt jonno99 Apr 2016 #162
New York City Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #164
Yeah, I agree this is probably coming........... socialist_n_TN Apr 2016 #83
This is going to play out past the poor. Phlem Apr 2016 #88
I think it will happen later - rather than sooner: jonno99 Apr 2016 #112
Unfortunately I think your right. Phlem Apr 2016 #115
Super idea. Not going to happen in our lifetimes, though. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #90
The problem with the idea that you just can't give people jwirr Apr 2016 #93
BOOM SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #139
Unfortunately most Americans left that idea back in Europe jwirr Apr 2016 #143
you might wat to get your hands on some of the late 70's early 80;s economist magazines SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #144
I was reading those magazines in those years. Unfortunately jwirr Apr 2016 #146
the "steady state economics" ideas were the ones that i have held close SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #147
Agreed but it is going to take a long time for most of the jwirr Apr 2016 #163
yep - "It means giving things up" SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #166
I was talking with another Bernie delegate at a convention. jwirr Apr 2016 #173
colorado? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #176
No MN jwirr Apr 2016 #179
Noticing all the usual push backs. Phlem Apr 2016 #113
And, of course, completely give the wealthy a pass who are doing the same system gaming. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #120
a symptom of what has happened to our society. Phlem Apr 2016 #130
How about guaranteeing a job? HassleCat Apr 2016 #127
So, then the question becomes... malthaussen Apr 2016 #138
Dignity of labor HassleCat Apr 2016 #141
In your opinion. malthaussen Apr 2016 #145
We already did this once. HassleCat Apr 2016 #152
Ah, I see. malthaussen Apr 2016 #167
FDR knew the dangers of having millions of young men out of work so he created jobs. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #197
I don't want them to pay their fair share. malthaussen Apr 2016 #198
A few points you ignore. BainsBane Apr 2016 #242
Du's freepers are outing themselves today Doctor_J Apr 2016 #180
Well... IndyV0te Apr 2016 #199
The problem with guarenteed minimum income is... Odin2005 Apr 2016 #207
In addition to raising my own children and now helping to care for my grandchildren, I took JDPriestly Apr 2016 #217
The fact is that it will have to happen eventually. Bonhomme Richard Apr 2016 #235
I would like to point out something in regards to many of the responses on this thread Marrah_G Apr 2016 #237
Finland OkSustainAg Apr 2016 #239
It Would Change Things For The Better colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #243
I'm all on board with this idea robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #249
This is the future paulthompson Apr 2016 #250
What Would Society Look Like with Universal Basic Income? eridani Apr 2016 #251
It does no good to teach people how to fish when there are no fish. raouldukelives Apr 2016 #253
A Basic Income should be reserved for those 45 and older Yavin4 Apr 2016 #267
K&R. An important conversation as we move into an increasingly automated world. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #272
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