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In reply to the discussion: What If We Just Gave Poor People a Basic Income for Life? That’s What We’re About to Test. [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)157. Links. Try to be progressive. There is no sarcasm about this. People's lives are at stake.
Housing First: get the homeless housing and then all the other problems become more tractable.
Medicine Hat: http://www.theplaidzebra.com/a-city-in-canada-tried-giving-free-housing-to-the-homeless-and-its-working/
Medicine Hat: http://www.mhchs.ca/
Medicine Hat: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/15/medicine-hat-homeless_n_5332531.html
Utah: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free
Almost free housing in San Francisco ($375 avg): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Housing_Partnership
Still think it is a stupid idea worthy of a sarcasm tag?
Or is it a progressive idea proven to work that is worthy of more serious consideration than you are willing to give it?
Medicine Hat: http://www.theplaidzebra.com/a-city-in-canada-tried-giving-free-housing-to-the-homeless-and-its-working/
Thankfully, Canada has been relatively accepting of the Housing First initiative in places other than Medicine Hat. Six other cities in Alberta, including major cities Edmonton and Calgary, have taken a Housing First approach, and have seen a 16 per cent overall drop in homelessness since 2008 as a result. In Vancouver a city notorious for its rapidly increasing homeless population in the 1990s and early 2000s hundreds of homeless people have been put into permanent homes, though the city still has much work to do in this respect. The federal government has also devoted itself to a Housing First plan until at least 2019.
Other countries have followed suit, with the Obama administration listing the method as a best practice for eliminating chronic homelessness, and Finland and France both instituting similar measures.
Other countries have followed suit, with the Obama administration listing the method as a best practice for eliminating chronic homelessness, and Finland and France both instituting similar measures.
Medicine Hat: http://www.mhchs.ca/
Medicine Hat: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/15/medicine-hat-homeless_n_5332531.html
Until recently, Clugston was on the other side of the debate about how to end homelessness. He spent six years on council before becoming mayor late last year. When I first got elected on council I was a bit of a cowboy, and I was actually speaking against a lot of these projects. I was one of their biggest detractors, he said. But Clugston said the members of the Medicine Hat Community Housing Society spent six years making a convert out of him.
And now Ive become their advocate and have to admit its the right thing to do, its the moral thing to do. And it makes sense financially, he said.
If you can get somebody off the street, it saves the emergency room visits, it saves the police, it saves the justice system and so when you add up all those extra costs you can buy a lot of housing for that amount of money.
And once people are housed, its easier for support workers to help them with a co-ordinated delivery of social services to address issues such as substance abuse and mental health problems, Clugston said.
And now Ive become their advocate and have to admit its the right thing to do, its the moral thing to do. And it makes sense financially, he said.
If you can get somebody off the street, it saves the emergency room visits, it saves the police, it saves the justice system and so when you add up all those extra costs you can buy a lot of housing for that amount of money.
And once people are housed, its easier for support workers to help them with a co-ordinated delivery of social services to address issues such as substance abuse and mental health problems, Clugston said.
Utah: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free
It may seem surprising that a solidly conservative state like Utah has embraced an apparently bleeding-heart approach like giving homeless people homes. But in fact Housing First has become the rule in hundreds of cities around the country, in states both red and blue. And while the Obama Administration has put a lot of weight (and money) behind these efforts, the original impetus for them on a national scale came from the Bush Administrations homelessness czar Philip Mangano. Indeed, the fight against homelessness has genuine bipartisan support.
Almost free housing in San Francisco ($375 avg): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Housing_Partnership
Still think it is a stupid idea worthy of a sarcasm tag?
Or is it a progressive idea proven to work that is worthy of more serious consideration than you are willing to give it?
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What If We Just Gave Poor People a Basic Income for Life? That’s What We’re About to Test. [View all]
Recursion
Apr 2016
OP
There is a problem with this. Where is the money coming from? If it comes from the
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#1
I am never surprised at the callousness of those that side with the Rich Fat Cats.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#181
Arent you the one who spoke up first about not wanting to contribute?
Jackie Wilson Said
Apr 2016
#201
Boy can you twist things around. The biggest problem facing us today is the
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#206
run along then -- why do people feel the need to tell you theyre putting you on ignore
saturnsring
Apr 2016
#213
The other side lifting their dressies and showing their a$$e$ is never a bad thing
Vincardog
Apr 2016
#233
I certainly understand this, however, we must figure in the percentage scraped off the top
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#182
I support what you wrote. Of course none of the Cinton supporters would be on board. Those
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#184
It's a question that will be asked by many, and it's a question that should be discussed
PersonNumber503602
Apr 2016
#71
You're right it is a pertinent question, and there are many possible ways to fund it
pberq
Apr 2016
#81
I know where it should come from, but wanted others to give their opinions. I notice
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#230
Well look who showed up in a thread about helping the poor. Rarely find any
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#187
I am NOT a HRC supporter ... How many times do you need to tell you before it sinks in?
1StrongBlackMan
Apr 2016
#189
Sorry, you must be one of very few non-progressives that doesn't support Clinton. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#191
So that's all you have to contribute to this thread? Do you support helping the poor or maybe no?
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#193
Trickle down is what Clinton proposes. She calls it "grow the economy". That's code for frack
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#212
Your argument isn't very compelling. By the way, I'd like to respond to your sig.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#224
He made it very clear that he ruluctantly signed the law while you read what BLM said about
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#248
Just curious ... Why did you select me as the person to be told to ...
1StrongBlackMan
Apr 2016
#259
I hear you and that would be good, but currently the Rich Fat Cats are scrapping off their
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#190
I would love to continue this discussion, but my point here is related to wealth and not money.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#223
There was a time that wealth could be easily created. It was mainly because of cheap or free
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#227
After all that the wealthy stole from our coffers over the last 15 years? I would say track it down
silvershadow
Apr 2016
#220
Yes I agree. I guess my point, that I didn't do a very good job of making, is that any discussion
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#255
True...and if you DON"T leave the couch...then you shouldn't expect anyone else to pay you.nt
clarice
Apr 2016
#122
If we're talking about a national $15/hr minimum wage, that's not a good idea either.
Bonx
Apr 2016
#80
So the wealthy will be picking up trash and mopping the public schools and city hall
Bonx
Apr 2016
#16
Only if you dismiss what others have told you already about how this would be paid for.
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#26
AND THERE IT IS!!! I've been waiting for someone who's out of ammo to play the Republican card.
clarice
Apr 2016
#132
So..I guess you are saying "Thank God my Mother married a Republican prick?"....
clarice
Apr 2016
#168
Everyone will get a UBI under this system (even those who work) - so someone who cleans
MillennialDem
Apr 2016
#204
"special class of housing" - I think we call those "slums". Nope, we've got to do better...nt
jonno99
Apr 2016
#107
The thing with Nixon was that he was still a New Dealer at his core
forjusticethunders
Apr 2016
#131
First, as I asked above, where is this wealth coming from? Serious question.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#25
Paying people NOT to be "consumers," to walk lightly upon the earth, is a great idea.
hunter
Apr 2016
#35
And?...Does this person not deserve the means to access the basic necessities of life?
Marengo
Apr 2016
#50
It truly is! Especially as the UBI/GMI concept is progressive and so desperately needed...
Marengo
Apr 2016
#65
no i wouldnt but most people dont make that any more - but if i were working 2-3 jobs
saturnsring
Apr 2016
#156
We have the resources on this planet to feed, cloth, teach. house every human being
Marrah_G
Apr 2016
#56
We should definitely study that and see what some of the top minds come up with
Marrah_G
Apr 2016
#266
We have to go to this eventually, once the machines make it impossible for many people to find jobs.
tclambert
Apr 2016
#57
"but the vast majority will contribute back to society" Do you have statistics?...or
clarice
Apr 2016
#125
I also step up as often as possible...but I fear that we are in the minority. nt
clarice
Apr 2016
#196
Free housing is proven to greatly reduce joblessness, drug abuse, hospital costs, wherever done. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2016
#77
Links. Try to be progressive. There is no sarcasm about this. People's lives are at stake.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2016
#157
you might wat to get your hands on some of the late 70's early 80;s economist magazines
SoLeftIAmRight
Apr 2016
#144
the "steady state economics" ideas were the ones that i have held close
SoLeftIAmRight
Apr 2016
#147
And, of course, completely give the wealthy a pass who are doing the same system gaming.
HughBeaumont
Apr 2016
#120
FDR knew the dangers of having millions of young men out of work so he created jobs.
rhett o rick
Apr 2016
#197
In addition to raising my own children and now helping to care for my grandchildren, I took
JDPriestly
Apr 2016
#217
I would like to point out something in regards to many of the responses on this thread
Marrah_G
Apr 2016
#237
K&R. An important conversation as we move into an increasingly automated world.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2016
#272