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jmowreader

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11. If CDOs are properly rated and properly tranched, I don't see much of a problem
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:47 AM
Mar 2016

The Wharton School, a very famous and very good business school, agrees.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/cdos-are-back-will-they-lead-to-another-financial-crisis/

Let's talk about what a CDO is supposed to be - kind of the mutual fund of the credit derivatives trade. You know what a mutual fund is: someone who has, supposedly, great experience in investing purchases a basket of 20 to 30 stocks and sells shares of the fund. A CDO is the same thing but it's with loans and derivatives - all sorts of them. A CDO creator can buy all sorts of debt of all different kinds for the derivative he is creating - some of these monsters contain mortgage-backed securities on both residential and commercial properties, various kinds of asset-backed securities (same thing as an MBS but with non-mortgage debt), leaseholds, cash, whole mortgages...just anything you want. They then evaluate each loan in the portfolio and place it in one of five categories (slices, or "tranches" - the French word for slices) according to risk. They've been issuing exactly these CDOs since 1987 and, until Mitt Romney figured out you could build a more-balls-than-brains CDO out of subprime loans and sell it at hedge-fund-level interest rates, no one ever heard of CDOs because they weren't a problem at all.

Mitt Romney is the whole key to this mess. He needed a new funding source for his corporate raids (the old ones were breaking rocks) so he decided he could tranche the nastiest subprime crap in the world into one huge pool instead of five. He naturally needed lots of subprime to do this with and the mortgage industry was happy to oblige. And of course they needed lots of expensive houses people couldn't afford to write subprime on, so the builders cooperated. (Why the hell do you think the McMansion craze came about?) And he needed these things rated Triple-A, so the rating agencies cooperated.

No sir. If CDOs are brought back to their roots as diverse investment vehicles, tranched properly and sold to the right investors, it'll be okay.

I saw it...and we will get screwed again, worse than before. Punkingal Mar 2016 #1
Right. elleng Mar 2016 #2
They got a new fancy name nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #3
Saw that. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #20
yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #21
I have read the book multiple times, movie coming from NetFlix Wed. longship Mar 2016 #4
CBOs???? longship Mar 2016 #5
and none of the Wall Street slime went to jail pfitz59 Mar 2016 #6
To hell with the sellers. longship Mar 2016 #8
And don't forget John Thain (Merrill) Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #17
There should have been frog marches out of the ratings agencies.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #9
Excellent summary. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #10
Ya gotta love it Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #18
Seriously, a good movie. K&R nt killbotfactory Mar 2016 #7
If CDOs are properly rated and properly tranched, I don't see much of a problem jmowreader Mar 2016 #11
They weren't properly rated, they never will be when ratings agencies are afraid onecaliberal Mar 2016 #12
usually the funds HIRE the ratings agencies--no conflict there! n/t librechik Mar 2016 #15
Should be "must see" for all Americans. Saw it a couple days ago, great movie. Scuba Mar 2016 #13
Here's what I don't get: I loan you money, and two people who have nothing to do with us hedgehog Mar 2016 #14
How in the hell is that legal. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #16
Thanks for the reminder Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #19
Be prepared to get pissed and have your mind blown several times at the fact onecaliberal Mar 2016 #22
This is the first time my husband told me to keep the DVD hedgehog Mar 2016 #23
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