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In reply to the discussion: Its time for Democrats to drop the gun control platform [View all]Straw Man
(6,639 posts)64. Before you get all excited, ...
... consider the following:
All firearms registered to their current owner.
Except for felons -- forcing them to register would violate their Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. (It's true. You can look it up.)
All firearm sales with a 10 day or better waiting period. Needing a firearm right now usually results in a bad ending for someone.
Even for people who already own several firearms? How would that possibly protect anyone?
All firearms sales go through a federally licensed gun dealer. (Including inheritance.)
Fine, but who pays? What happens when someone inherits a valuable collection of 50+ historic firearms and the dealer wants $50 per gun to do the transfers?
BTW, currently the only sales that don't have to go through and FFL are sales by non-dealers to residents of the same state. It has nothing to do with gun shows except that some such transactions may take place at or near a gun show. There's no such legal entity as an "unlicensed dealer," and if you know of anyone who fits that description, the ATF would like to hear about it.
No Internet sales of firearms.
Are you aware that Internet sales must go through a licensed dealer in the buyer's home state and require a background check before the buyer can take possession of the gun? Given that, why would you want to ban such sales?
No moving of any firearms across state lines without the proper permits. You want to take your weapon to another state, you must get permission from each state you go through. (Just closing a loop hole here.)
What loophole is that? And how is this going to work? I live in New York near Connecticut. If I want to go skeet shooting in CT, what kind of permit will I need? Will it be a single-use permit, or for a duration of time? What kind of processing time are we talking about? And cost? Will there be checkpoints at state borders? Will I have to be checked again on leaving the state to show that my shotgun is leaving with me? Multiply these issues by 50 and you'll start to get an idea of the difficulties involved.
Insurance for all your firearms.
Totally useless, since insurers will never cover the consequences of a policy-holder's illegal acts. Injuries from negligence are often already covered by homeowner's policies, and in any case are only a very small part of the problem. The only beneficiary of such a requirement would be the NRA, which is currently the major purveyor of firearms insurance.
Is well past time to bring civilization to this country. Even the Old West was never this bad.
Nothing you have suggested will have any such effect. I've seen dozens of these wish lists from people who have only a passing familiarity with any of the practical ramifications of what they propose and aren't ready or willing to discuss what it would really take to "civilize" this country, namely a top-to-bottom overhaul of our legal and political system with the goal of promoting social and economic justice. Much as I'm sure you're speaking from good and humanitarian motives, I can see no real good coming from handing more tools and powers to the Security State.
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NRA and gun lovers are really feeling the pressure, is what this OP tells me...first Bengazhi falls,
Fred Sanders
Oct 2015
#2
they may have to chose btwn guns and s.s.,medicare,the environment,war,poverty,no education
saturnsring
Oct 2015
#10
Run on other issues, then once they have a majority, boom, pass some meaningful reform
NightWatcher
Oct 2015
#16
David Bordua, James Wright, Peter Rossi [RIP] and Gary Kleck to name four.
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#117
There's that cheap, unstudied dismissal that you Controllers love to trot out.
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#145
You might as well just become a republican by your logic. BTW, you might feel more at home at...
madinmaryland
Oct 2015
#44
I'd rather stand with a losing platform than win on a mound of dead bodies.
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2015
#46
So mass murder is acceptable and ethical concern for human life is not.
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2015
#108
How many people would vote for Democrats if they held a different stance on just this one issue?
shawn703
Oct 2015
#48
That does seem to be what they believe a large number of Americans do,
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Oct 2015
#78
What I see above is just another post that says don't do anything about the slaughter because of
-none
Oct 2015
#92
No it doesn't. The first link takes you to a list debunking five of the NRA's talking points.
-none
Oct 2015
#124
As branford as pointed out, "assault weapon" bans have been the centerpiece
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#72
Yep. Those who haven't experienced gun violence or can't imagine it as something bad...
hunter
Oct 2015
#138
No doubt, the little mind favors political expedience over personal conviction
LanternWaste
Oct 2015
#107
Just stop your idiotic conversation about gun control! It is about time that the US curb who gets
akbacchus_BC
Oct 2015
#114
sometimes you don't have something in a platform because it's a winner. Sometimes you do it because
craigmatic
Oct 2015
#119
I hope your guns get confiscated along with every other firearm on the planet.
ThePhilosopher04
Oct 2015
#147