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Neue Regel

(221 posts)
42. I understamd the concept of selling to other markets
Sun May 20, 2012, 11:31 PM
May 2012

But I do not see the benefit in taxing ones own citizens more heavily in order to send their money to another market so that market can simply turn around and buy goods from their benefactor. Instead of continuing to sell goods to Greece and being paid back with money Germany gave them in the first place (or any other country that would require German largesse to be able to afford to buy German products), why shouldn't Germany sell their products to nations who don't require German citizens to send them money in order for them to be able to afford German goods. Shift the slack export inventory from Greece to Canada, China, Hong Kong, Iceland, the US, France, Japan, Finland...there are dozens and dozens of countries that can afford to buy German goods with their own money.

It's time to let Greece go the way of Iceland. And maybe Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Ireland as well. Tell the creditors to go pound sand, arrest and prosecute those responsible for getting them into the mess, re-issue their own currencies (yes, it will be temporarily painful, but better to rip the band aid off quickly), and begin to get a true handle on this mess.Anyone holding sovereign debt (i.e. large institutional investors with sovereign funds) will lose their shirt.It will be unfortunate, but it will only be temporary. People will still have to eat and buy things. A sense of normalcy will return in a relatively short period of time. If new regulations are allowed to be written, the economy will be revived, albeit with a new sense of purpose. Ideally it would be skewed towards democratic socio-capitalism rather than the every-man-for-himself crony capitalism we've been subjected to over the past 40 years.

Here's an example of a move in the right direction from Germany, though: German pay deal offers euro Ghost Dog May 2012 #1
BTW, here's a reminder of how this all started (ca. 2008) Ghost Dog May 2012 #2
When do they have elections in Germany? sabrina 1 May 2012 #3
Fall 2013, by the looks of it: Ghost Dog May 2012 #7
Don't be too harsh on the not guaranteeing peace remark DFW May 2012 #20
Yes, I understand that. sabrina 1 May 2012 #22
I'd have to reserve judgment until I saw the original text DFW May 2012 #37
Well, you have a point. sabrina 1 May 2012 #46
Greece needs to give back the money or take it's medicine. The EU needs more central power over RB TexLa May 2012 #4
I partially agree... Neue Regel May 2012 #6
I think the concept of national sovereignty belongs in the ashbin of history RB TexLa May 2012 #8
Ojalá. Ghost Dog May 2012 #12
You mean the Bankers have to give back the money, I'm sure. sabrina 1 May 2012 #13
Good thing you are not in charge of anything. girl gone mad May 2012 #14
You think they should be able to take the bailout and be able to run up debt RB TexLa May 2012 #30
I disagree Neue Regel May 2012 #5
German workers should receive higher wages and pay higher prices for consumer goods Ghost Dog May 2012 #9
WTF???? On what do you think the Greeks were spending those Euros? Hint, it wasn't coalition_unwilling May 2012 #10
German (and other) banks and such "invested" (speculated) heavily in Spain's Ghost Dog May 2012 #11
I thought that it was the British banks that led the financing of the Spanish real estate boom? FarCenter May 2012 #31
Of course. Ghost Dog May 2012 #33
Just to make sure I understand you... Neue Regel May 2012 #24
The money doesn't go to the people. Where do you think all these bailouts are going? sabrina 1 May 2012 #25
Okay then Neue Regel May 2012 #26
Who said anything about the German people contributing their tax money to prop up the system? sabrina 1 May 2012 #27
The person to whom I replied did Neue Regel May 2012 #29
Well I don't think there is any doubt about the trade deficit. sabrina 1 May 2012 #45
I do believe you are preaching to the choir Neue Regel May 2012 #43
Bingo. Ghost Dog May 2012 #47
You have exactly construed my meaning - Greek consumers and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #39
I understamd the concept of selling to other markets Neue Regel May 2012 #42
I would agree with you IF you had just said that the Greeks need to increase taxes on those who jwirr May 2012 #18
I wondered how long it would be before the old 'blame the victims' meme would show up. sabrina 1 May 2012 #23
Greece doesn't have to cut social services Neue Regel May 2012 #44
Germany is in the wrong . . . for providing all this money others have demanded of them 4th law of robotics May 2012 #15
It was the other way round. Really. Ghost Dog May 2012 #17
The eurozone has the wrong membership FarCenter May 2012 #16
Well, for a while there I was strongly of the opinion Ghost Dog May 2012 #19
The EU itself is a fundamentally misguided idea that flies in the face of historical trends. FarCenter May 2012 #28
The greatest anachronism is of course Ghost Dog May 2012 #32
There are several candidates for breakup FarCenter May 2012 #38
The Euro zone should never have included countries with cooked books and huge deficits DFW May 2012 #21
Seems to me both the Germans and Greeks should be going after Josef Ackermann from Deutsche Bank suffragette May 2012 #34
Ackerman is one nasty character, for sure DFW May 2012 #35
Far as I can tell, he's still in charge at IIF suffragette May 2012 #41
You're right. Germany should fuck off out of the EU Ghost Dog May 2012 #36
Germany would leave the EU and NATO before getting into ANY war DFW May 2012 #40
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