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Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:41 PM May 2012

Germany is in the wrong, very wrong, in Europe, and must be corrected. Further information: [View all]

Last edited Sun May 20, 2012, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Video discussion: http://rt.com/programs/crosstalk/das-europa-germany-europe/

Separate well-informed commentary, eg:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/may/20/saving-eurozone-wont-solve-crisis

... What we are witnessing is a potentially cataclysmic conjuncture of the continuing crisis of modern finance capitalism and the inherent defects of the eurozone as originally conceived.

There are many paradoxes and ironies about this crisis. The whole idea behind the European Union was to ensure that there were no more wars in Europe. Closely associated with this aim was the desire to avoid the levels of unemployment and social unrest that caused the rise of extremist rightwing political parties. (Does a day go by without a reference to Hitler in the press or on the radio?)

In championing the exchange rate mechanism and then the eurozone, the French wanted to ensure that economic policy in Europe was not dominated by the Germans. Yet the latter continue to be more obsessed by folk memories of Weimar inflation than by the unemployment that led to extremism.

This is a battle that has certainly not been won by the French – indeed, when my friend Jean-Claude Trichet became president of the European Central Bank, he was widely accused of having "gone native".

The result of the French election shows that François Hollande is now being expected to take up the cudgels. Optimists – there are still some around – point to some apparent concessions by German policymakers on the subject of the asymmetry of eurozone economic policy. For instance, if southern members of the eurozone are ever going to narrow the gap in their price competitiveness with Germany, then the Germans should actively aim at a higher inflation rate. There is also wider recognition of the need for major infrastructure projects...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/20/andrew-rawnsley-dont-blame-the-germans

... The jabbing fingers are furiously angry ones on the streets of Athens where German flags are burnt and the newspapers dress Ms Merkel in Nazi uniform. The jabbing continues in editorials in the American press, which charges Berlin with being single-handedly responsible for taking the world economy to the brink of the abyss. The jabbing is dressed in the language of diplomacy at this weekend's G8 summit where Barack Obama, François Hollande and David Cameron have ganged up on the German chancellor.

The American Democrat, British Conservative and French Socialist may not agree on much else, but on this, at least, they are together. It is one second to midnight in the eurozone because a recalcitrant and miserly Germany has refused to step up to its historic responsibility to do what is necessary to save the single currency. If the eurozone implodes, and carries away the global economy with it, the buck will stop in Berlin.

Let us begin by acknowledging that Germany does deserve a big helping of blame for the very scary state of the eurozone. Berlin shares, principally with Paris, responsibility for the original sin. That was to construct a badly designed and over-stretched single currency area containing contradictions that would explode under stress. In the pursuit of a European ideal, Germany forgot its usual prudence when Berlin nodded and winked at the admission of countries – Greece being the most extreme example – for whom euro membership was not only inappropriate but very dangerous.

It is fair enough also to observe that Germany has repeatedly failed to offer leadership that rises to the scale of the present crisis. When Germany has led, it has not always been in a well-judged direction. The austerity programme imposed on the Greeks as the price for continued membership of the euro was too draconian to be implemented in a democracy. The voters would surely revolt and they duly have.

The European Central Bank has been denied the necessary firepower to get ahead of events because the Germans wouldn't allow it. Ms Merkel has never been a very easy partner for her peer group. One of Gordon Brown's officials who had a ringside seat during the negotiations at the London G20 describes her thus: "Incredibly stubborn. Immovable. She simply digs in." One of David Cameron's team says dealing with the German chancellor is "like trying to squeeze blood from the proverbial stone"...


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/250908/apocalypse-fairly-soon.html

... Yet financing isn’t enough. Italy and, in particular, Spain must be offered hope - an economic environment in which they have some reasonable prospect of emerging from austerity and depression. Realistically, the only way to provide such an environment would be for the central bank to drop its obsession with price stability, to accept and indeed encourage several years of 3 per cent or 4 per cent inflation in Europe (and more than that in Germany).

Both the central bankers and the Germans hate this idea, but it’s the only plausible way the euro might be saved. For the past two-and-a-half years, European leaders have responded to crisis with half-measures that buy time, yet they have made no use of that time. Now time has run out...


... And here I offer only a few (moderately phrased) English-language sources for your consideration.

Germany, or should I say German capitalists, like the mythical "1%" is growing richer and more powerful out of this situation, at the expense of the rest of us.

This is not what European Community and/or Union was intended to achieve.

BTW, and for the record, there is no sign here in Spain of anything like any "bank runs" happening now, in spite of what the very shallow, irresponsible and dishonest anglo-american media is psy-opping, and/or attempting to provoke/achieve, probably just for thrills and/or so that some so-called journalists and editors and similar hangers-on and "fellow travellers" get to keep their so-called jobs for a little while longer...

I call bullshit. Fuck us? Fuck you.
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Here's an example of a move in the right direction from Germany, though: German pay deal offers euro Ghost Dog May 2012 #1
BTW, here's a reminder of how this all started (ca. 2008) Ghost Dog May 2012 #2
When do they have elections in Germany? sabrina 1 May 2012 #3
Fall 2013, by the looks of it: Ghost Dog May 2012 #7
Don't be too harsh on the not guaranteeing peace remark DFW May 2012 #20
Yes, I understand that. sabrina 1 May 2012 #22
I'd have to reserve judgment until I saw the original text DFW May 2012 #37
Well, you have a point. sabrina 1 May 2012 #46
Greece needs to give back the money or take it's medicine. The EU needs more central power over RB TexLa May 2012 #4
I partially agree... Neue Regel May 2012 #6
I think the concept of national sovereignty belongs in the ashbin of history RB TexLa May 2012 #8
Ojalá. Ghost Dog May 2012 #12
You mean the Bankers have to give back the money, I'm sure. sabrina 1 May 2012 #13
Good thing you are not in charge of anything. girl gone mad May 2012 #14
You think they should be able to take the bailout and be able to run up debt RB TexLa May 2012 #30
I disagree Neue Regel May 2012 #5
German workers should receive higher wages and pay higher prices for consumer goods Ghost Dog May 2012 #9
WTF???? On what do you think the Greeks were spending those Euros? Hint, it wasn't coalition_unwilling May 2012 #10
German (and other) banks and such "invested" (speculated) heavily in Spain's Ghost Dog May 2012 #11
I thought that it was the British banks that led the financing of the Spanish real estate boom? FarCenter May 2012 #31
Of course. Ghost Dog May 2012 #33
Just to make sure I understand you... Neue Regel May 2012 #24
The money doesn't go to the people. Where do you think all these bailouts are going? sabrina 1 May 2012 #25
Okay then Neue Regel May 2012 #26
Who said anything about the German people contributing their tax money to prop up the system? sabrina 1 May 2012 #27
The person to whom I replied did Neue Regel May 2012 #29
Well I don't think there is any doubt about the trade deficit. sabrina 1 May 2012 #45
I do believe you are preaching to the choir Neue Regel May 2012 #43
Bingo. Ghost Dog May 2012 #47
You have exactly construed my meaning - Greek consumers and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #39
I understamd the concept of selling to other markets Neue Regel May 2012 #42
I would agree with you IF you had just said that the Greeks need to increase taxes on those who jwirr May 2012 #18
I wondered how long it would be before the old 'blame the victims' meme would show up. sabrina 1 May 2012 #23
Greece doesn't have to cut social services Neue Regel May 2012 #44
Germany is in the wrong . . . for providing all this money others have demanded of them 4th law of robotics May 2012 #15
It was the other way round. Really. Ghost Dog May 2012 #17
The eurozone has the wrong membership FarCenter May 2012 #16
Well, for a while there I was strongly of the opinion Ghost Dog May 2012 #19
The EU itself is a fundamentally misguided idea that flies in the face of historical trends. FarCenter May 2012 #28
The greatest anachronism is of course Ghost Dog May 2012 #32
There are several candidates for breakup FarCenter May 2012 #38
The Euro zone should never have included countries with cooked books and huge deficits DFW May 2012 #21
Seems to me both the Germans and Greeks should be going after Josef Ackermann from Deutsche Bank suffragette May 2012 #34
Ackerman is one nasty character, for sure DFW May 2012 #35
Far as I can tell, he's still in charge at IIF suffragette May 2012 #41
You're right. Germany should fuck off out of the EU Ghost Dog May 2012 #36
Germany would leave the EU and NATO before getting into ANY war DFW May 2012 #40
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