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Prism

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71. There are a number of complicated factors
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

Part of it is that LGBTers aren't born into a shared ideological culture. We come from every ideology conceivable, and I think that's why you usually see LGBT support for Democrats top out at 75% (as opposed to 90+% from a community like African Americans). LGBTers aren't raised in a Democratic-supporting culture as a default.

A second part is that LGBTers are less shuttled into a shared adolescent/adult ideology. Used to be, if you were gay and living in a terrible area, you moved to an urban place and took residence in a "gay ghetto". There are scores of articles about the demise of the gay neighborhoods over the past decade. As acceptance has spread, LGBT youth feel less a need to move into or primarily reside in a homogeneous community. They are beginning to feel safe among their own heterosexual peer groups, and the rise of social media and internet/app dating makes for a less isolating experience overall.

And the third, I would venture to say, is economic. As acceptance, marriage, and nondiscrimination laws have spread throughout states, many LGBTers stop thinking quite so much on their own social justice issues and more towards their own economic stability. If you live in, say, California (and a solid chunk of us do), you're not thinking of LGBT discrimination on a day to day basis. You have laws protecting you, the ability to marry and adopt, and a social and professional culture that is generally pretty accepting. So, social justice falls a bit by the wayside as life and family and work take over.

These are, of course, very generalized statements with exceptions all over the place. Discrimination still exists and there is much work left to do, but this seems to be the trajectory the community is currently on. I would expect LGBTers will remain lopsidedly Democratic and liberal for quite awhile - especially if Republicans continue to be batshit - but if it fades in about 10-20 years, I wouldn't be too surprised. Once marriage and anti-discrimination laws become a fact of life everywhere, you'll see the rise of a generation of LGBTers who won't feel the same sense of loyalty towards the Democratic Party that many of us currently possess. They won't have experienced the battle. They'll take for granted the results.

We'll see, though.

Just another rich, self-centered Repuke. hifiguy Aug 2015 #1
nobody claimed Bruce or cait has any intellectual capital. ever. elehhhhna Aug 2015 #53
Bruce, now Caitlyn's highest acomplishment was being able to make a high jump in Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #2
While I generally agree with the sentiment, truebluegreen Aug 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author LynneSin Aug 2015 #4
training for the olympics dsc Aug 2015 #9
Not to mention, had Jenner not won the gold, the "pay" TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #15
Spitz was a "pre-dental" student, which, like pre-med... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #19
My bad. Debi Thomas is an orthopedic surgeon though! n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #22
And good for her! 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #23
No kidding. Plus her bachelor's degree was just TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #32
Wait - I read "Nickel and Dimed" years ago Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #17
It's a trap Hydra Aug 2015 #34
So you are agreeing with Jenner? Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #55
If Jenner meant it in the sympathetic Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #56
Exactly. It's which direction you go with it. trotsky Aug 2015 #82
I fail to see how this one reported hearsay exchange means diddly. And you have her name wrong. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
It's not hearsay when it's on video. Deadshot Aug 2015 #7
Her show is "I am Cait" and her last name is Jenner. pnwmom Aug 2015 #10
Apologies, not hearsay. On video. The leap to judgment, though, about her motives is questionable, is all I would say Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #11
"... later tells the camera" oberliner Aug 2015 #6
it's early days still steve2470 Aug 2015 #8
Jenner, a self-described Republican... GReedDiamond Aug 2015 #12
Exactly. If suffering for decades for fear of coming out hasn't taught her anything pnwmom Aug 2015 #13
Her fear of coming out was fear of herself, not of outside things and her conservatism was part of Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #16
Interesting that you can't keep your virulent anti-Catholic bigotry out of any post on any topic. pnwmom Aug 2015 #20
The Catholic church is a homophobic, misogynistic institution. It is AGAINST equality. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #28
The Catholic Church is made up of hundreds of millions of INDIVIDUALS with different points of view. pnwmom Aug 2015 #30
Can't the same be said about the Republican party? Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #31
The Republican party USED to be a big tent, like the Church, with liberals and conservatives. pnwmom Aug 2015 #33
The official policy of the Catholic Church is still BIGOTED under Francis & he backs this shit. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #37
BlueJazz wasn't the poster I was responding to. And anyone who would post from Newsmax here on DU pnwmom Aug 2015 #39
My post was about the Pope who attacks trans people in a thread attacking a trans person. It's Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #49
I typed that late at night. I meant Bluenorthwest, but you knew that. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #57
all of those different views are based on one creature from mythology though snooper2 Aug 2015 #62
You, who support those who attack LGBT are saying a T is not an 'ally'. YOU should be the ally to Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #47
She's not really being an ally except for those in the 1%. They are trying to tell her that they pnwmom Aug 2015 #59
The disconnect is astounding, isn't it? Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #60
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that particular and dramatic inconsistency. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #68
no, I meant early days as being a woman steve2470 Aug 2015 #14
This makes no sense to me GReedDiamond Aug 2015 #36
ok, I'll refine what I mean steve2470 Aug 2015 #38
maybe sexual orientation has nothing to do with political affiliation snooper2 Aug 2015 #63
of course, you're correct steve2470 Aug 2015 #72
My guess is that.... RichGirl Aug 2015 #25
This is a person in her 60's cwydro Aug 2015 #26
people can change at ANY age, sorry steve2470 Aug 2015 #29
It won't happen. cwydro Aug 2015 #48
Almost as hilarious as the non-existent posts concluding we're supposed to believe she's a hero... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #69
There was so much swooning and fawning over her here. cwydro Aug 2015 #81
I agree. I tuned into the 'dash people for a season to see what everybody was talking about UTUSN Aug 2015 #18
I ain't coupling neither. LuvNewcastle Aug 2015 #42
While I applaud Ms. Jenner for bringing trans issues to the national spotlight... Initech Aug 2015 #21
The way I look at it.... RichGirl Aug 2015 #24
While I like what Jenner has done for the trans community, Oneironaut Aug 2015 #27
Too bad there isn't a surgical procedure to remove the GOP assholishness. nt valerief Aug 2015 #35
i don't think anyone is saying she is some great liberal JI7 Aug 2015 #40
No, but I think everyone was hoping she'd be an ally. If she doesn't change her thinking pnwmom Aug 2015 #41
She's not going to change jberryhill Aug 2015 #51
"A Conservative says, "It hasn't happened to me so I don't care". A Liberal says, "It should never.. Cha Aug 2015 #43
Mahalo, Cha! pnwmom Aug 2015 #44
Aloha, pnwmom! Cha Aug 2015 #45
Every time I see Caitlyn in the media she appears to be HUGELY narcissistic. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #46
i can not see why folks are shocked. Like you expected the rich guy to be a socialist???? dembotoz Aug 2015 #50
"Guy"? Cal Carpenter Aug 2015 #52
Jenner is a republican and this is to be expected Gothmog Aug 2015 #54
So what? Prism Aug 2015 #58
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have had higher expectations because of her situation, but I did. pnwmom Aug 2015 #61
Wealth is an excellent insulator from hardship Prism Aug 2015 #65
I have wondered about that, too. pnwmom Aug 2015 #70
There are a number of complicated factors Prism Aug 2015 #71
It could very well happen... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Sep 2015 #83
Jenner is unlike any gender dysphoric person I ever met. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #64
Bruce/Caitlyn comes from the current most attention seeking family in the world... cbdo2007 Aug 2015 #67
These shows are scripted ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Aug 2015 #73
She never did. But many here were hoping she'd want to be one. So far, pnwmom Aug 2015 #75
what does that dipstick know about having job? KG Aug 2015 #74
Disgusting views she has, that is for damn sure. AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #76
This snide GOP talking point is proof that minimum wage needs Ilsa Aug 2015 #77
Well, it would be nice if she could see other people's troubles like some saw hers. ladyVet Aug 2015 #78
So many DUers fawned over her as rusty fender Aug 2015 #79
Welcome back to eighth grade. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #80
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