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96. The issue of whether secession was legal or not became moot . . .

Reply to Yupster (Reply #93)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:45 PM

Jul 2015

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when they took up arms against their own country.

It was treason whether you want to admit it or not.

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Is it possible to destroy everything of Confederate origin? [View all] kentuck Jul 2015 OP

Tons of intolerable crap we will have to tolerate. Yep...I dont know of anyone randys1 Jul 2015 #1

It hurts... kentuck Jul 2015 #3

Right now on this board is a link about a Black Woman killed in custody randys1 Jul 2015 #6

In museums also? guillaumeb Jul 2015 #76

Confederate monuments at courthouses chalmers Jul 2015 #2

If there is disagreement about dismantling statues, then.... kentuck Jul 2015 #7

Why? That's just ridiculous chalmers Jul 2015 #10

Obviously, you are someone... kentuck Jul 2015 #11

I don't think we should put civil rights to a vote. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #13

Are you talking about free speech?? kentuck Jul 2015 #33

Here stevenleser Jul 2015 #74

No the civil right to not have to look at symbols of oppression in public spaces. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #75

I think most folks agree with you on that point... kentuck Jul 2015 #77

As far as what is public property. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #85

No, I can't agree with this Budgies Revenge Jul 2015 #81

That is not correct chalmers Jul 2015 #122

When was the Civil War over? kentuck Jul 2015 #123

Not to sound snarky here, Budgies Revenge Jul 2015 #124

The history defense is being used as a dodge chalmers Jul 2015 #132

I can't speak Budgies Revenge Jul 2015 #134

It's absurd to think that you can preserve history chalmers Jul 2015 #135

Hey, if I can make the universe's day a little brighter Budgies Revenge Jul 2015 #136

This Is a Sure RobinA Jul 2015 #91

All those monuments contain the names of people who died in a horrible war. Whether you agree with Erose999 Jul 2015 #92

If it's all destroyed couldn't that paradoxically be considered LiberalElite Jul 2015 #4

As easy as taking the bad juju out of holy religious books seveneyes Jul 2015 #5

Great sound ! kentuck Jul 2015 #8

Allowing individuals to fly the confederate flag is a good idea and very practical tularetom Jul 2015 #9

Unfortunately true. kentuck Jul 2015 #12

Not buying that one, at all. merrily Jul 2015 #17

It seems that way to me... kentuck Jul 2015 #23

Yes, sometimes people act like 2 year olds. However, confederate flags have been on private and merrily Jul 2015 #29

Sometimes perception is reality. kentuck Jul 2015 #36

It's only your perception that we are dealing with, though. merrily Jul 2015 #67

From what I have read.... kentuck Jul 2015 #70

Only since the late 50s. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #45

You have to separate the strands of spaghetti. merrily Jul 2015 #14

What about private action on government ground? Igel Jul 2015 #57

What about it? Is any government forbidding it? merrily Jul 2015 #64

Like any religion gratuitous Jul 2015 #15

I agree. kentuck Jul 2015 #24

Sell 'em off to the cement heads? gratuitous Jul 2015 #46

I think there is a law against inciting to riot? kentuck Jul 2015 #50

Good post. 840high Jul 2015 #129

On Facebook today janlyn Jul 2015 #16

Tearing it down when it's on private property is wrong. It's also trespassing, which is against the merrily Jul 2015 #19

I would, but my great-grandmother was jewish. janlyn Jul 2015 #21

Different issue, but it would take me too long to explain the distinction I was making. merrily Jul 2015 #22

Is there some collective voice in the country demanding this...? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #18

I'm sure your comments have equal standing... kentuck Jul 2015 #30

In Richmond Va on Monument Ave there are six statues five of these honor Confederate leaders Leontius Jul 2015 #20

Are those statues on private property? The OP is about private property. merrily Jul 2015 #25

Actually, the OP is more comprehensive than only questioning private property. In fact it states as hlthe2b Jul 2015 #35

I would submit that Monument Avenue is a "museum". NT 1939 Jul 2015 #43

I agree... hlthe2b Jul 2015 #53

That be errasing history nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #26

How is it erasing history? We do away with all kinds of things all the time. No one pretends they merrily Jul 2015 #31

If you get rid of all things confederate you are errasing history nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #34

The confederate flag is in museums. The First Amendment certainly merrily Jul 2015 #37

You can critize Joe all you want, that is also 1 ammendment nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #40

Which goverment is threatening to fine or imprison anyone over confederate items on private property merrily Jul 2015 #41

Carefully read the OP nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #44

Good luck with this nadin. As you can see in my replies to the same poster, cwydro Jul 2015 #49

I know... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #52

I did read the OP and I don't think he wants to erase history. merrily Jul 2015 #54

And I think several posters here nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #56

No. I do not think any of our history should be erased. kentuck Jul 2015 #59

You won't, and it will remain where it is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #60

I didn't think you would call it un-American if you were advocating for it. But, what do you mean by merrily Jul 2015 #66

Yes. On gov't property. kentuck Jul 2015 #69

So, things on govt property moved by govt upon a vote of a majority, but not destroyed. merrily Jul 2015 #72

In the real world... kentuck Jul 2015 #78

The flag is a very special case: was re-introduced specifically as racist element by segregatists hlthe2b Jul 2015 #27

You can't erase history. cwydro Jul 2015 #28

If you don't fly a flag anymore, that means you erased history? Poor Betsy Ross. merrily Jul 2015 #32

The OP was in reference to destroying "everything of confederate origin." cwydro Jul 2015 #38

A confederate flag is not part of the discussion? merrily Jul 2015 #39

I told you once that I was not discussing the flag, nor did it seem to me that the OP cwydro Jul 2015 #47

Actually, you did not exclude the flag, even once. And I did not previously ignore what you said merrily Jul 2015 #51

Actually, I think she did exclude the flag: Ilsa Jul 2015 #55

Disagree with your interpretation. merrily Jul 2015 #58

This op is not about the flag. 840high Jul 2015 #130

No matter how hard they try... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #42

In Germany, i saw stone sculptures and bronzes that honored the German NCjack Jul 2015 #63

Visited Manassas Battlefield National Park TeddyR Jul 2015 #48

Even the most die-hard enemies of all things Confederate would object. Igel Jul 2015 #61

But we should be clear on the meaning of "rights" kentuck Jul 2015 #62

Yes we can! XRubicon Jul 2015 #65

I would suggest... kentuck Jul 2015 #71

Too bad Uncle Billy isnt around today XRubicon Jul 2015 #73

Too bad everything is not so black and white.. kentuck Jul 2015 #79

There is no gray area in treason XRubicon Jul 2015 #80

The Confederates chose Yupster Jul 2015 #84

Um... that's treason XRubicon Jul 2015 #97

I wish ibegurpard Jul 2015 #68

It's a flag of traitors brush Jul 2015 #82

Lee and Davis were indicted for treason Yupster Jul 2015 #83

Sorry, what? brush Jul 2015 #88

It all comes down to whether secession was legal or not Yupster Jul 2015 #89

You're actually serious with this. Amazing! brush Jul 2015 #90

The right to a speedy and public trial is an important right Yupster Jul 2015 #93

The issue of whether secession was legal or not became moot . . . brush Jul 2015 #96

Read what you wrote Yupster Jul 2015 #99

You're the one that contended it was a legal issue that needed to be settled in court . . . brush Jul 2015 #100

I used to be a college history instructor Yupster Jul 2015 #105

I still don't get your argument brush Jul 2015 #107

You don't get the argument that a person should Yupster Jul 2015 #108

Found guilty before his execution? brush Jul 2015 #109

So if Hitler were captured after WWII, Yupster Jul 2015 #110

But the southern part of the US started the war brush Jul 2015 #111

Johnson was from Tennessee.... kentuck Jul 2015 #112

That's a noble sentiment brush Jul 2015 #113

I agree with that sentiment... kentuck Jul 2015 #114

Lincoln did offer compensation for slavery, but Yupster Jul 2015 #118

Johnson did not make a deal to get elected Yupster Jul 2015 #116

As far as white privilege is concerned, to understand history Yupster Jul 2015 #117

Everything you describe is white privilege, as the country was founded on it. brush Jul 2015 #119

Are you arguing that blacks have been treated Yupster Jul 2015 #120

That was my original point. brush Jul 2015 #121

Not executing (much less trying) Davis and not banning the flag Yupster Jul 2015 #125

Can't be done sadly. romanic Jul 2015 #86

If someone wants to have a confederate or a nazi flag on their own property it's their right. Marrah_G Jul 2015 #87

Years ago Tom Paxton had a song about trying to put an idea back in the box after it was out. jwirr Jul 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Jul 2015 #95

No, but we can give it one heck of a try. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #98

Um, when are we destroying the Washington monument, Mt. Rushmore? (Washington supported slavery.) Romulox Jul 2015 #101

Washington never commited treason XRubicon Jul 2015 #102

Support of slavery was a betrayal of everything we claim to stand for; an open wound to this day. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #104

Agreed still_one Jul 2015 #103

Actually more offended by anything named after reagun dembotoz Jul 2015 #106

There's no good reason to try to obliterate all memory of the Confederacy struggle4progress Jul 2015 #115

History should never be destroyed. Kablooie Jul 2015 #126

yep 840high Jul 2015 #131

....! KoKo Jul 2015 #133

No, nor should it be Warpy Jul 2015 #127

I am sorry to tell you this reddread Jul 2015 #128