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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Sat May 23, 2015, 03:31 PM May 2015

Poll: Because Gaddafi was a bad man, it was OK for the West to help overthrow him? [View all]

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even if that turned Libya into a failed state, helped create ISIS, and made life far worse for the Libyan people.

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	Helping to overthrow Gaddafi was the right thing to do
	5 (22%)
	Helping to overthrow Gaddafi was the wrong thing to do
	15 (65%)
	Helping to overthrow Gaddafi was incredibly stupid and/or evil
	2 (9%)
	Manny, you're presenting a false choice because (please indicate below)
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Poll: Because Gaddafi was a bad man, it was OK for the West to help overthrow him? [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

Was it right for his people to rebel against him? hrmjustin May 2015 #1

That sounds like a great idea for another poll MannyGoldstein May 2015 #2

This is as good a place as any. hrmjustin May 2015 #6

No. Actually it isn't. truebrit71 May 2015 #25

I can ask here thank you. hrmjustin May 2015 #27

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #29

Who made you the boss of gd? hrmjustin May 2015 #31

??? truebrit71 May 2015 #34

I didn't realize asking a question was dropping a turd. hrmjustin May 2015 #36

LOL! truebrit71 May 2015 #38

Except, 'his people' didn't rebel against him. polly7 May 2015 #37

But Polly7 jamzrockz May 2015 #93

Informative video, thank you! polly7 May 2015 #96

Your mistake is in thinking foreign policy is about right or wrong BainsBane May 2015 #3

I don't see "US interests" in the questions or answers. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #4

Then I suggest you pick up a book BainsBane May 2015 #9

I'm a citizen of the US. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #12

You and I don't make foreign policy BainsBane May 2015 #15

You're addressing a different issue. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #16

That's a weak cop out, Manny BainsBane May 2015 #19

I'm not going to respond to insults well-marbled with nonsense. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #22

You're the one who referred to examples from the Cold War as "Third Way" BainsBane May 2015 #26

+20,000 nt okaawhatever May 2015 #87

Is every democrat you disagree with Third way? hrmjustin May 2015 #24

JFK is Third Way now too! BainsBane May 2015 #30

Up until recently I never even heard of third way. hrmjustin May 2015 #39

LBJ is NOT Third Way Art_from_Ark May 2015 #91

No. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #44

Thank you. hrmjustin May 2015 #46

As one of the few people here who've actually LIVED in a dictatorship... brooklynite May 2015 #5

Did we help remove Mubarak? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #7

Well, unlike. Mubarak, Qadaffi was willing to use his military.... Adrahil May 2015 #10

Can you point to examples of how one was obviously worse than the other? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #17

Mubarak willingly stepped down BainsBane May 2015 #32

"Willingly stepped down"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #41

Yep, and what has gone to fill in that power vacuum? AZ Progressive May 2015 #8

Egypt had the military to fill the vacuum, which certainly was not the most ideal Exilednight May 2015 #35

Probably because Mubarak was a US ally and Qaddafi was not. NuclearDem May 2015 #11

Obama withdrew support for Mubarak before he fell BainsBane May 2015 #33

You mean "before he stepped down willingly" MannyGoldstein May 2015 #42

In the face of popular uprising BainsBane May 2015 #47

Which one? oberliner May 2015 #18

I was an ex-pat in the Philippines when Marcos declared martial law... brooklynite May 2015 #77

So by "lived under a dicatorship" what you actually meant was that Warren Stupidity May 2015 #79

No, what he actually meant is exactly what he said. He DID live under a dictatorship. Your contempt okaawhatever May 2015 #88

He made a ridiculous claim. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #92

Fascinating oberliner May 2015 #80

Right...and I've had a comfortable life throughout... brooklynite May 2015 #83

I lived under a dictatorship jamzrockz May 2015 #94

Destabilizing any country leaves sadoldgirl May 2015 #13

Libya now open for ISIS, Africa destabilized and flooded with guns, new immigration crisis... Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #14

Apparently, many people believe it was a net win. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #20

I am sure the arms merchants see it that way. hifiguy May 2015 #23

Sadly Republicans clouded the real issues of US intervention in Libya by extreme focus on Benghazi Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #56

IOKIYAHRC reddread May 2015 #21

Here's a synonym for Clusterfuck or FUBAR ... the Hydra ... every time you cut off one of the libdem4life May 2015 #28

Should we have interferred in the Rwandan genocide? wyldwolf May 2015 #40

You think that was a very-similar situation? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #48

In your world, unless two situations are identical they can't be compared? wyldwolf May 2015 #49

We should only step in if we have a good shot at improving the situation, MannyGoldstein May 2015 #51

Interesting reply. So you wouldn't have approved stopping the genocide. wyldwolf May 2015 #54

I said that? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #57

No, and that's the problem. You were vague. wyldwolf May 2015 #58

I think that you and I have a different understanding of the English language. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #61

I think you really don't want to consider Rwanda in this context. wyldwolf May 2015 #66

I'm happy to. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #67

but you won't consider it in a post. wyldwolf May 2015 #68

As far as I can tell, I've answered any question that you've asked, MannyGoldstein May 2015 #70

Yes, you've answered every question wyldwolf May 2015 #72

The correct answer is "They did not have any oil" -none May 2015 #50

Is there any situation where "progressives" would consent to killing a dictator? wyldwolf May 2015 #52

What do we have the United Nations for? -none May 2015 #59

We're a member of the UN. England kills a dictator=good. U.S. does it = bad? wyldwolf May 2015 #64

Both are not good. Usually, it is none of our business anyway. -none May 2015 #74

Sure MannyGoldstein May 2015 #60

Tell us what constitutes "just and sensible?" wyldwolf May 2015 #69

"Just" means for true defensive or humanitarian causes, i.e., not to grab land, resources or cash MannyGoldstein May 2015 #73

Probably not..considering I have seen many here MicaelS May 2015 #62

Most truthful answer of the three given to my question. wyldwolf May 2015 #63

How does anyone think how we would feel if some other country decided to invade and overthrow -none May 2015 #43

Yes. The hypocrisy is stunning. polly7 May 2015 #45

No one. No one at all.`But we keep poking other countries with sticks until they do something in -none May 2015 #55

Please, Jeebus, let the primaries start tomorrow and end the day after. Buzz Clik May 2015 #53

It's like being forced to go to a lousy movie E-V-E-R-Y day. same ol' plot, same characters. BlueJazz May 2015 #75

Intolerable? Fumesucker May 2015 #76

I need to work on taking your approach. n/t Buzz Clik May 2015 #82

Don't hate the player, love the game Fumesucker May 2015 #85

Sit back and laugh. zappaman May 2015 #98

Other. I don't think it has ever worked out well for any country that Autumn May 2015 #65

I think Libya would be an issue irrespective of the primaries betterdemsonly May 2015 #71

Unintended consequences Spider Jerusalem May 2015 #78

False Choice rock May 2015 #81

Over throwing him was an incredibly Aerows May 2015 #84

"bad man" compared to whom? nt kelliekat44 May 2015 #86

The UN authorized intervention in Libya at the behest of France and the UK primarily pampango May 2015 #89

The French Revolution was a failure. A little man with a big ego went Exilednight May 2015 #90

Exposed: The "Humanitarian" War In Libya polly7 May 2015 #99

Create a vacuum in a place filled with angry hornets. 99Forever May 2015 #95

On Libya and the Unfolding Crises ( 2011 ) Jefferson23 May 2015 #97