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Jackpine Radical

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45. I was actually replying to MsToad, who DID use the term, and
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:24 PM
May 2015

that was all I was talking about. Sorry about the misplaced remark.

And it's just as well you didn't use the term "sociopath" as a "professional diagnosis" because it doesn't exist as a professional diagnosis. It's neither in the DSMIV-TR or 5 nor ICD9 or 10. And, while it may be conceptually somewhat similar to ASPD, it is not correct to confuse the two as your offered definition does. ASPD is a proper diagnostic category, while "sociopath" is not, and has no standardized definition.

Neither is the term "psychopath" in any currently recognized diagnostic lexicon, although it has been (variously) operationalized by Hare's PCL-R, the PPI-R, and the lesser-known Levenson Psychopathy scale. There is, by the way, an ongoing and rather hot scientific debate on the factor structure of psychopathy (conceived as a trait complex rather than as a disorder). The Hare, for example, seems to break down into 2 major components, each of which has 2 sub-factors, while Lilienfeld's PPI seems to have a 3-factor structure.

All of that is by way of suggesting that, after a couple of decades as a criminal forensic psychologist, having conducted psychological evaluations of something more than 2500 criminals and criminal defendants, I may not be entirely in need of a refresher on a topic I have testified about as an expert in several hundred cases. In fact, I kinda resent it.

And incidentally, I did not mean to suggest that there was no mens rea on the part of the cops in that case. As I have argued at some length elsewhere (see 32 above), I think the cops are fully culpable, knew what they were doing, and at least the driver, surely at least some of the others, and maybe all of them completely meet the "depraved heart" test. Only the fact that they used a method that does not guarantee a kill saves them from 1º murder charges.

Verstanden?



K & R. n/t FSogol May 2015 #1
Wonder where the Driver is...the only one who did not file a report and charged with Depraved Heart libdem4life May 2015 #2
At an undisclosed location? Koinos May 2015 #5
While he may be a sociopath, Ms. Toad May 2015 #15
Depraved Heart Murder/Manslaughter is not a medical diagnosis. Correct. libdem4life May 2015 #18
You're playing a little loose with the term mens rea there. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #19
And I hope they aren't overcharging him B2G May 2015 #25
I somewhat disagree in this case. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #27
Yes, but were any of those drivers convicted of the same charge? B2G May 2015 #28
Probably not, since all I know about were civil cases, not criminal prosecutions. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #32
Oh FFS, you don't need to be a mental giant to understand that not giving a shit when a prisoner libdem4life May 2015 #43
I was actually replying to MsToad, who DID use the term, and Jackpine Radical May 2015 #45
Not so much. Ms. Toad May 2015 #46
Thanks for the clarification. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #48
Here's a bit more (just because I went to find it for another thread) Ms. Toad May 2015 #49
Thank you. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #50
I still can't believe it BrotherIvan May 2015 #3
"I thought they were going to walk." workinclasszero May 2015 #4
It's rare, but sometimes it happens. malthaussen May 2015 #7
Don't get me wrong workinclasszero May 2015 #10
Getting charges is one step in the right direction. MH1 May 2015 #11
When this goes to trial - hifiguy May 2015 #14
You're right. You know, most prosecutors deal most of the time Jackpine Radical May 2015 #23
You're right, they still could BrotherIvan May 2015 #12
Very few, but airc, in Rodney King, there was some jail time served but only after the Feds got sabrina 1 May 2015 #33
I think the tide is going to start turning... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #36
I can't imagine why you thought they would walk. Enthusiast May 2015 #21
Let's hope this is some kind of wake-up call for cops all across the country. Vinca May 2015 #6
Balt. FOP proved that will not happen. ChairmanAgnostic May 2015 #17
If these thugs get real prison time... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #37
Still have to get a jury to convict davidn3600 May 2015 #44
Gee, I hope they didn't get a rough ride in the paddy wagon. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #8
Exactly what I was going to say underpants May 2015 #29
The public is a little safer now. But where is #6? MoonRiver May 2015 #9
Are their spines intact? hootinholler May 2015 #13
This on the heels of the police declaring he inflicted his own injuries. AtomicKitten May 2015 #16
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2015 #20
Oh, but riots don't work! Peaceful protest is the only way! Downtown Hound May 2015 #22
I think your suggestion is offensive. sybylla May 2015 #31
I really don't give a shit if you find it offensive Downtown Hound May 2015 #42
K&R Solly Mack May 2015 #24
good news happy may day captainarizona May 2015 #26
Great news! Sissyk May 2015 #30
This weeks fiasco could have been avoided imthevicar May 2015 #34
State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby: Cha May 2015 #35
Hell... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #38
Yeah, I thought it was pretty potent. Cha May 2015 #39
perfect bigtree May 2015 #40
You're welcome, bigtree Cha May 2015 #41
A brilliant prosecutor. joshcryer May 2015 #47
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