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freshwest

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80. Your definition of cost needs more serious thought. Supporting these rights cost many lives.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:11 AM
Apr 2015

The 14th Amendment didn't cost any famous candidate but Lincoln his life. But the Civil War fought to bring those rights to pass cost 625,000 to 850,000 lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

And it's not over yet. More have died since then. Supporting the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act cost MLK, Jr. his life and that of Medgar Evers, the girls in the church in Birmingham, the Freedom Riders and more. The history of African Americans in America is one of bondage and terrorism for so many years that Americans ceased paying any attention to it. Untold numbers of African Americans died trying to live in peace and get their rights as human beings. For over five centuries.

Supporting reproductive rights have cost a number of people their lives. There have been so many incidents it has also been classified as terrorism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

Roe vs Wade reduced the number of women lost to illegal abortions. Those were lives being lost and why others were willing to lose theirs for rights.

Supporting marriage equality has set up a firestorm of genocidal ideology and religious fanaticism that calls for gays to be put to death, and some have been killed by those who can't stand the idea they might get those rights. There is a cost in human rights for seeking them.

Those are the costs that matter. These things are about living things, not money. People did not fight and die for some candidates, but for their very lives. This is not a game.

It is social indifference that permits the people you think are in charge to cause these deaths and this misery. We must work from the ground up. Then they will have to give in, they always have from a unified front. Supporting civil rights is a major part of unity. Ignoring civil rights is a major divider and permits those in power to get away with what they do.

To think of human rights only in terms of money is what the most powerful have taught us to do to divide us. Each of us will leave our record here of what we think and what we care about in this online community.

A shout out to "social issues" [View all] BainsBane Apr 2015 OP
K freaking R. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1
I have gotten the impression around here that only economics matter in this election. leftofcool Apr 2015 #2
Not just economics BainsBane Apr 2015 #6
That keep us in an inferior economic sitation by ignorning our humanity and they dismiss us. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #22
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #162
Shutting down the government and/or defaulting on the debt ala Cruz, is a direct transfer of wage freshwest Apr 2015 #171
Given that the country is on the tipping point of sliding into a modern form of hifiguy Apr 2015 #148
+1. K & R this Post. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #300
Only winning matters. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #245
my real life is smack in the middle of the economic issue. though it is right up there, why i chose seabeyond Apr 2015 #248
I didn't say anything about gender. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #249
jack, you have told us women and gays and blacks are the blame for the loss of the white male in our seabeyond Apr 2015 #251
prove it. Just one link. nt lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #253
after the last election, you went into a spiel. many of us saw it. not gonna hunt it down. seabeyond Apr 2015 #254
I've had my fill of you telling DU what I think. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #255
did you not state that women and gays were the reason white men are not a part of our party? seabeyond Apr 2015 #258
It's your assertion to prove. Google up. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #259
that's how Hillary started her campaign hfojvt Apr 2015 #295
A few links please? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #3
Come on Manny, you've been here long enough to know they have appeared now and then... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #8
Not as I understand the meaning of "derision". nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #10
Derision. AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #13
That's my understanding of the word, as well. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #18
We agree that's good :) AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #21
... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #23
IMHO. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #31
I missed that thread! zappaman Apr 2015 #61
I so love zappaman! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #63
No, you got yourself hidden in that one. n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #84
I doubt mr. goldman will bestir himself to reply to you. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #180
Bains Op is exceptional. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #187
awwwww...... BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #188
Social issues are more likely to be ignored daredtowork Apr 2015 #35
Do not.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #64
That's why I ignored the comment nt. BainsBane Apr 2015 #77
I know it's hard JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #95
Thanks JAG... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #130
the OP does not seem to know what social issues are hfojvt Apr 2015 #297
Sure. Just site search "gefilte fish"...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #92
Oh yeah....nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #149
no one is gonna bother manny. too many of us know, have seen, participated. it is not about you seabeyond Apr 2015 #118
Exactly BainsBane Apr 2015 #141
I don't see derision. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #267
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #4
and just about all of them are connected to our economic situation JI7 Apr 2015 #5
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #100
yep. Phlem Apr 2015 #163
Thank You Mnpaul Apr 2015 #184
Please explain. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #235
Easy to explain Mnpaul Apr 2015 #247
better throw in health care issue if you are discussing cost of bc. $37-$162 a month. seabeyond Apr 2015 #250
If minimum wage went up at the same rate as exec. pay Mnpaul Apr 2015 #257
no. something so rudimentary to womens health should only be thru our health insurance. seabeyond Apr 2015 #273
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #278
i am PAYING for the fuckin HEALTH insurance. really dude? seabeyond Apr 2015 #279
others paying for my birth control? what part of that is not RW? seabeyond Apr 2015 #280
I want, I want, I want Mnpaul Apr 2015 #282
you have made your position clear. seabeyond Apr 2015 #283
and you want to continue to avoid the questions Mnpaul Apr 2015 #285
my position is mercuryblues Apr 2015 #286
So your prescription coverage covers all other drugs Mnpaul Apr 2015 #288
I have never mercuryblues Apr 2015 #290
Prescription cost reform was taken off the table by the 1% Mnpaul Apr 2015 #291
the problem mercuryblues Apr 2015 #293
What you decry is part of ACA BainsBane Apr 2015 #287
You got it Mnpaul Apr 2015 #289
You're all over the map BainsBane Apr 2015 #303
Your pretense is absolute. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #304
Just voted on a jury and I beloieve you will be done in this thread quite shortly. trumad Apr 2015 #296
You are more clearly explaining that there is a symbiotic Social vs Economic hand shake Sheepshank Apr 2015 #261
The lack of one does lead to need for the other Mnpaul Apr 2015 #262
you were attempting to minimize the social aspect of this and that is a fallacy n/t Sheepshank Apr 2015 #264
Don't tell what I was trying to do Mnpaul Apr 2015 #265
That sounds like free market er ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #305
Nope, not even close. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #268
I said "many of these issues" Mnpaul Apr 2015 #269
But that's just it. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #281
But if you don't deal with the economic issues Mnpaul Apr 2015 #284
33% is not most. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #292
I'm guessing that you don't work in manufacturing Mnpaul Apr 2015 #294
That was a learning experience. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #298
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #7
+1 lovemydog Apr 2015 #57
Yes, Yes, Yes KMOD Apr 2015 #9
I have not seen anyone against these things PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #11
They have said they don't matter BainsBane Apr 2015 #30
"some have said" G_j Apr 2015 #56
these people use that tactic. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #66
So now I'm Fox? BainsBane Apr 2015 #74
The reactions in this thread BainsBane Apr 2015 #73
Seen it here hundreds of times- in GD and in the hosts forum unfortunately- bettyellen Apr 2015 #115
we have linked to them. you arent paying attention, but enough of us have seen it. we will not seabeyond Apr 2015 #119
I read the front page of GD a couple times a day PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #175
i realy do not give a rats ass what you call. enough people have read it, heard it and call it bs. seabeyond Apr 2015 #181
My choice G_j Apr 2015 #241
cool. i am not wasting the time linking. you are not wasting the time hunting it down. i get that. seabeyond Apr 2015 #243
absolutely...its those very same "someones" Sheepshank Apr 2015 #233
i watched it be denied in a very thread it was happening, and being pointed out and argued. seabeyond Apr 2015 #238
I haven't either. A well balanced agenda is critical. Social issues and economic issues are Zorra Apr 2015 #42
YES! Bernie covers all the bases. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #67
Okay, let's play this out BainsBane Apr 2015 #78
I don't think the poster said ANYTHING about excluding the rest of government tkmorris Apr 2015 #106
No, he didn't say excluding the rest of government BainsBane Apr 2015 #121
Huge K&R R B Garr Apr 2015 #12
Yes! betsuni Apr 2015 #14
Indeed! KMOD Apr 2015 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Apr 2015 #15
Can't 'be quiet while people whose basic civil rights aren't threatened by a GOP administration...' freshwest Apr 2015 #16
May be I am wrong, but sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #17
Bing! nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #20
abortion rights have come under restrictions, in indiana a woman was charged and convicted JI7 Apr 2015 #26
That is terrible, and I hope that she can repeal this to FC. sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #38
Your wrong... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #36
If it "doesn't cost much to support reproductive rights" BainsBane Apr 2015 #44
Sorry, I don't mean to offend you. sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #53
In that example you give BainsBane Apr 2015 #76
Thank you. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #270
Why are they under attack? To give you something to fight over and to fight for that doesn't stillwaiting Apr 2015 #94
why are womens issues under attack? cause men have controlled women from beginning of time. seabeyond Apr 2015 #122
Bingo. Candidates who are right-wing economically use social issues as a cloak LittleBlue Apr 2015 #60
It costs nothing? Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #116
Your definition of cost needs more serious thought. Supporting these rights cost many lives. freshwest Apr 2015 #80
Well said, fresh.. thank you for that thoughful response! Cha Apr 2015 #82
TY. Just focused on priorities, is all. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #83
Exactly.. for the health of our fellow human beings. Like Bains in the OP.. Global Climate Change! Cha Apr 2015 #86
Over 600,000 Americans have died of HIV/AIDS. The first 30,000 without so much as a word of concern Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #98
+1. .... and i remember. to dismiss. so callously. how offensive is this. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #125
+2 nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #204
gosh, i cannot believe this shit on a democratic board. that we have to live this shit, within our seabeyond Apr 2015 #124
Brava, freshwest! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #133
Beautifully stated BainsBane Apr 2015 #135
What a bunch of privileged hooey. Discrimination against LGBT and women have cost both groups Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #97
Nailed it...again...repeatedly thought this thread. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #142
Great post Depaysement Apr 2015 #177
Holy Shit! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #19
Bing... N/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2015 #28
I love her ability to put into words what I feel. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #29
What you said! n/t betsuni Apr 2015 #32
You forgot I think single payer health insurance sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #24
Unfortunately, polling data doesn't support your assertion BainsBane Apr 2015 #34
The problem is that sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #39
It's called capitalism BainsBane Apr 2015 #45
Thanks for the tip, but sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #49
I admire your tactful reply to snark. ND-Dem Apr 2015 #50
Good for you BainsBane Apr 2015 #72
Supply side isn't Capitalism. AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #144
Oh my gosh BainsBane Apr 2015 #146
No, the polling data says the 99% don't *think* single payer is important to them.. Fumesucker Apr 2015 #40
,You are quite correct,and I apologize, sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #46
It sucks. I agree BainsBane Apr 2015 #47
Depends on which poll and how questions are asked. There are plenty of polls out there ND-Dem Apr 2015 #51
Right at the beginning of the ACA negotiations, polls showed 77% in favor of single payer. Maedhros Apr 2015 #277
Zat so? ND-Dem Apr 2015 #48
The poster said 99 percent BainsBane Apr 2015 #75
You know when I first started attending demonstrations against health insurers and governments Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #99
A right and rightous post, BB. brer cat Apr 2015 #25
Indeed. n.t Iris Apr 2015 #185
Yes if only the non-governing elite would get out of politics and let the governing elite Rex Apr 2015 #27
Don't ya know? It's all about the money! Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #33
That is how I see it BainsBane Apr 2015 #37
The number of Bircher media references show that, Bain. TY for the awesome OP. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #151
Hey, the chickens being danced on by the elephants should quit sqauwking so loud. It's aggravating! freshwest Apr 2015 #170
A-freaking-men, sister. That is a righteous rant. Hekate Apr 2015 #41
And how are our social interests served by running a candidate with deep corporate debt appointed, whereisjustice Apr 2015 #52
There is a primary BainsBane Apr 2015 #54
+ 1,000 Iliyah Apr 2015 #55
My State's Primary election is over a year in the future. It's insulting to the people to claim an Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #101
Nope. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #271
As you point out very well, BB lovemydog Apr 2015 #58
Don't you mean "minor issues"? zappaman Apr 2015 #59
If someone supports Reaganomics, they are conservative. Period LittleBlue Apr 2015 #62
True, but Warren isn't running BainsBane Apr 2015 #69
Obama: More Moderate Republican Than Socialist AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #137
I agree BainsBane Apr 2015 #138
we aren't AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #143
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2015 #65
I don't think economic issues and so-called "social issues" are really separate Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #68
They really are separate. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #272
I've seen that brush off to "Social Issues" you're talking about, BB. Thank you so much Cha Apr 2015 #70
dishonest list cali Apr 2015 #71
Oh dayum....great post!! Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #79
Rec JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #81
That's a hell of a lot of list padding eridani Apr 2015 #85
Yeah, that was the point BainsBane Apr 2015 #88
Still, I expect more of Democrats than that they should be Republicans who are good on social issues eridani Apr 2015 #91
The largest reform to Social Security ever won by a people's movement is the extension of spousal Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #105
These issues are not separate. 99Forever Apr 2015 #87
The point of the OP is that they are not separate BainsBane Apr 2015 #89
Grinding poverty is... 99Forever Apr 2015 #90
Equalizer except that in this case equal means 'minorities have twice as much poverty as whites' Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #107
The Democrats are far better at helping the poor than the GOP BainsBane Apr 2015 #131
shot in the back. shot in the back. how many times do we see this, while being told, doesnt matter seabeyond Apr 2015 #132
More accurately... 99Forever Apr 2015 #145
Indeed it does BainsBane Apr 2015 #150
Of course poverty sucks for anyone who is poor, but your contention was that poverty equalizes Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #156
This is the kind of BainsBane Apr 2015 #167
K&R Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #93
I agree. Those who do this rest on a fabricated set of laurels boston bean Apr 2015 #96
This. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #104
Exactly. betsuni Apr 2015 #110
That really is about the extent of it BainsBane Apr 2015 #139
Thank you! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #168
A big K&R! William769 Apr 2015 #102
DUrec...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #103
Listing something means New Democrats have done well at it? I wish. merrily Apr 2015 #108
Hard to imagine anyone whining about your OP, BB.. It's excellent. Cha Apr 2015 #109
Thanks, Cha BainsBane Apr 2015 #127
K & R!! thucythucy Apr 2015 #111
I see economic issues blithely dismissed here IN FAVOR OF social issues. As if we should not djean111 Apr 2015 #112
If you read my OP BainsBane Apr 2015 #120
Excellent OP ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #113
Kick Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #114
yes. this. thank baines. yes, democrats that dismiss ALL of this. so much the part of our seabeyond Apr 2015 #117
they call it populist reform BainsBane Apr 2015 #147
Hillary has a good record on many Social issues. I have never seen anyone say that derisively. Autumn Apr 2015 #123
K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #126
I think that one of the most damaging myths in politics is in fact the separability of 'economic' LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #128
Very well said BainsBane Apr 2015 #129
Kick! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #134
this thread took a while for me to get thru. getting thru elevated my ... anger. seabeyond Apr 2015 #136
The ostrich syndrome. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #140
Economic Justice is a social issue. Maedhros Apr 2015 #152
and social justice is an economic issue BainsBane Apr 2015 #165
Yet when Democrats openly participate in direct attacks on the Constitution - Maedhros Apr 2015 #169
No, I don't think you should accept any of that BainsBane Apr 2015 #223
I don't think that's a relevant comparison. Maedhros Apr 2015 #231
I think some of the Wikileaks information has been very important BainsBane Apr 2015 #236
I, for one, would not argue that Wikileaks should exempt Assange from prosecution. Maedhros Apr 2015 #237
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #153
cheering rubio in another post on a democratic site. maybe free republic is more your site. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #157
They don't like gay people over at Free Republic cyberswede Apr 2015 #159
Very well written, as usual. Especially when you wrote: guillaumeb Apr 2015 #154
True BainsBane Apr 2015 #155
Only the concerns of the rich are considered. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #158
By mirroring priorities BainsBane Apr 2015 #160
I understood your meaning but wished to add my point. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #161
Democrats aren't very good on social issues... MellowDem Apr 2015 #164
My point is that the distinction between social and economic is false BainsBane Apr 2015 #166
Yes us poor democrats need to shut up workinclasszero Apr 2015 #172
as this very op points out DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #173
pull funds from the Democratic Party? BainsBane Apr 2015 #174
Senate Democrats PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #176
No when several firms threatened not to donate to Dems, DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #183
ABSOLUTELY! LeftishBrit Apr 2015 #207
(NSFW) the OP may fuss about being called (or candidates being called) corpo sellouts while being MisterP Apr 2015 #178
spot on - as someone pointed out to me recently, social justice and economic justice are linked, you whereisjustice Apr 2015 #186
Which is the fucking point of the OP BainsBane Apr 2015 #195
You missed the point completely BainsBane Apr 2015 #189
Amen to that. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #196
I attribute some of that to the power of national mythology BainsBane Apr 2015 #200
And the middle classes are the most insecure and sensitive about themselves. betsuni Apr 2015 #201
Of course the thing about the US is BainsBane Apr 2015 #202
the middle class is also vulnerable to falling guillaumeb Apr 2015 #208
17 yr old son being taught economics from a old white rw. for the first time, seabeyond Apr 2015 #216
I have an uncontrollable urge to count the number of times "corporatist" and "oligarch" betsuni Apr 2015 #198
Me too, in regard to Marx BainsBane Apr 2015 #199
The people living on Planet Me call themselves Libertarians. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #209
+1 Marr Apr 2015 #192
k and r + a gazillion niyad Apr 2015 #179
pre-K education too :-) progree Apr 2015 #182
Yes! BainsBane Apr 2015 #190
I see you are familiar with the below thread :D progree Apr 2015 #197
Uh, it was centrists who urged gays to shut-up about marriage equality, because it Marr Apr 2015 #191
Another one who completely missed the point BainsBane Apr 2015 #193
No, I understand you're hiding behind poor people. It's hardly a new trick. Marr Apr 2015 #194
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about BainsBane Apr 2015 #203
+1000 nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #205
Hit a nerve? Marr Apr 2015 #210
What hits a nerve for me is seeing the things I struggle for justiceischeap Apr 2015 #211
Sorry if you suddenly have a problem with the term 'social issue', but... Marr Apr 2015 #212
Who established the definition of 'social issue' and when did it come into being? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #213
This is pathetic. Like when the same crowd tried to pretend that "Third Way" was a conspiracy term. Marr Apr 2015 #214
Again, when was this phrase coined and by whom? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #215
Silly semantic games, to blur the definition of 'left'. Marr Apr 2015 #225
An ecomonic issue is an issue about your money or your job. A social issue is an issue about my Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #218
exactly BainsBane Apr 2015 #220
No, that is not what I'm saying. Marr Apr 2015 #224
And you're missing the fact that somewhere along the line, someone decided justiceischeap Apr 2015 #229
Don't even go there. Marr Apr 2015 #230
I agree. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #275
He isn't using a standard definition BainsBane Apr 2015 #222
No, you're using social wedge issues to sell a Wall Street hack as a liberal. Marr Apr 2015 #226
social wedge issues.... there you go again, lol. as justice just pointed this out to you. seabeyond Apr 2015 #239
"My Wall Street issue"? Marr Apr 2015 #242
your wallstreet issue trumps. i am also not only on your side, but that is a huge issue for me also seabeyond Apr 2015 #244
You're the one who's willing to drop one, not me. Marr Apr 2015 #246
show me where i am not all for a vigorous primary, or that i am even a clinton supporter. seabeyond Apr 2015 #252
The OP is not defending any politician BainsBane Apr 2015 #219
Oh, give me a break. There's a reason this thread is filled with cheering Hillary fans. Marr Apr 2015 #227
many of us are not clinton supporters, though calling the cheering fans allows you to dismiss ALL seabeyond Apr 2015 #240
No posters (okay, not many) have ever said that Clinton is the answer to all that ails us. nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #309
Well said BainsBane Apr 2015 #217
Not even close. BainsBane Apr 2015 #221
"Tired obsession with the DLC and your idiotic political labels'. Marr Apr 2015 #228
WOW. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #274
A perfect example of why I still vote Democrat. nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #206
I've never and will never understand the attempt to marginalize social issues. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #232
Particularly since it's an exclusionary view BainsBane Apr 2015 #234
If I am a white, straight, protestant male, and I am not particularly worried about anyone but NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #256
Or create false dichotomies between "economic issues" and "social issues" while placing the latter nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #260
yes. lol, simple enough. not going ot back of the bus. i will stand right up front seabeyond Apr 2015 #263
Economic populism and social justice go hand in hand. nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #306
Social issues are important - very important - as they are at their core human rights issues. hifiguy Apr 2015 #302
I just said it was a false dichotomy. Like I said to sea, economic populism and social justice are nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #307
I'm glad to see this. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #266
Great post--I'm a fan of "social programs." I think the government can do a lot of good in that MADem Apr 2015 #276
And we all know which party is more likely to drastically cut the very services people depend on. nomorenomore08 Apr 2015 #308
. trumad Apr 2015 #299
Well done BainsBane Apr 2015 #301
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