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zipplewrath

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248. Okay, but it's not progressive

Thu Apr 16, 2015, 04:43 PM

Apr 2015

That's really all I'm saying. You want to incentivize rich people and corporations by letting them keep money they are currently keeping illegally, or because our current laws can't reach it. The progressive solution would really be to go get it.

Carrot/stick and you want to entice the engorged with more carrots. I think most progressives would suggest that it's time for the stick for those folks.

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I would like to have a series of substantive discussions on ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 OP

Please explain what you mean by tax credits to fund infrastructure repair. PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #1

Possibly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #5

I would prefer taxing Corporations who move jobs overseas. We are doing the opposite right now. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

How about starting with taking away the tax break for offshoring jobs. merrily Apr 2015 #214

I think you are not analyzing this correctly metalbot Apr 2015 #221

First of all, you missed where I agreed with the OP about incentives for corporations who sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #242

Perhaps some candidates on the left? Downwinder Apr 2015 #2

+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #4

What? Liberals, you say? libdem4life Apr 2015 #151

Keep up the labor reform the Administration has been pushing in the NLRB Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #3

Do you mean tax credits for the wealthy? Or for the wealthy to PAY more taxes... cyberswede Apr 2015 #6

Marcy Kaptur introduced legislation for a new CCC cyberswede Apr 2015 #9

That is great legislation ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #16

Yeah...but a girl can dream, right? nt cyberswede Apr 2015 #28

LOL, Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #50

With this congress the liklihood of passing a CCC like program is very low. Next to their hate for jwirr Apr 2015 #33

I talking about tax credits for the wealthy ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #13

Good point. cyberswede Apr 2015 #26

Yes and Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #46

This makes sense, to stop the off-shore revenue... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #183

It's a carrot and stick approach ...we really shouldn't care why ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #195

I seldom am on the highway anymore. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #203

I love this idea JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #134

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #197

k & r for good discussion & the good replies here lovemydog Apr 2015 #7

I would start with protecting the right to vote Gothmog Apr 2015 #8

Let me be a little more specific ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #10

The discussion seems to follow the number of candidates. Downwinder Apr 2015 #12

How bold and/or stupid would you have to be to block a poster named 1StrongBLACKman Number23 Apr 2015 #11

That should be a ticket to ride? whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #14

So very interesting that you felt the need to chime in. Number23 Apr 2015 #15

Why out of eeeeeeverybody on DU whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #17

Your question is not interesting in the least. Number23 Apr 2015 #18

I don't get it whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #19

Not banned; just blocked ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #24

Which group? PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #25

This one ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #48

Whatever it is, Number23 Apr 2015 #27

We will demwing Apr 2015 #115

It's really funny that you not only think that your post made even the tiniest bit of sense Number23 Apr 2015 #160

I've read your posts demwing Apr 2015 #163

Couldn't be less concerned with what I think Number23 Apr 2015 #167

That left a mark./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #234

I have followed this thread PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #168

So black posters and women are on your right wing nut job list here? Number23 Apr 2015 #169

nice strawman you are swinging around. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #171

Alot of the people in this thread that are talking about 1SBM's banning from a "progressive" group Number23 Apr 2015 #172

The group hosts don't have as thick of skin as you or me JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #229

Yeah, I think this thread has definitely pointed out some folks. But it's not anyone we weren't Number23 Apr 2015 #267

there are black posters and women supporting President Obama here treestar Apr 2015 #200

And so UNUSUAL too!! I mean, what is the president's support among black and female Democrats Number23 Apr 2015 #204

Well hells bells! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #222

Solid advice demwing Apr 2015 #173

Holy crap, the Host list for that group... SidDithers Apr 2015 #96

A virtual 1SBM (And AA, and HoF, and BOG) fanclub roster! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #100

Let's be honest demwing Apr 2015 #110

That was a response to a hidden post ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #111

You can view a hidden post. demwing Apr 2015 #113

Since "honesty" is what you want ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #117

If you had posted in the group as politely as you did above demwing Apr 2015 #140

Yeah? Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #141

I'm going to have to look JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #139

"I put it in the trash bin" An excellent place for trash and those who revel in it. Number23 Apr 2015 #174

What fresh hell is this? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #176

It's for progressives. There's no reason you would know about it. nt DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #178

I suppose not, I'm a liberal. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #180

I think there are free political science classes available online. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #184

Let me guess Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #189

In order: No. I don't know. You'd be wrong about that, as demonstrated by 1 & 2. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #190

Tedious. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #193

How progressive of you to trash a woman there, on a Democratic board. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #191

You knocked down a straw man I didn't put up. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #216

I do believe the new Progressive Group should be sheshe2 Apr 2015 #217

I don't understand your point DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #218

If you are not a part of the progresasive group here... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #220

Ooooh no, I peeked. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #186

You know - I don't think JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #223

That is a very charitable take on things. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #226

Patience JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #228

Everyone is welcomed in the PRG demwing Apr 2015 #116

Like the guy with the hidden post? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #121

Everyone starts out as welcomed demwing Apr 2015 #138

Understood Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #146

I block people that have a history of disrupting demwing Apr 2015 #150

Basically, "distuptive" is subject to Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #155

LA LA LA demwing Apr 2015 #158

I must say Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #177

So it's OK if the BOG does that too right? treestar Apr 2015 #192

I love you treestar! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #196

It's ok for any group to do that demwing Apr 2015 #201

So why did so many people go screaming to Skinner to ban the BOG from GD. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #207

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #194

I can't see anything he did to deserve it. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #37

Then they were wrong to have blocked him whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #43

I do agree... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #45

I think it is this thread. Rex Apr 2015 #47

Thanks for the link, Rex. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #54

Well I hope they don't think it can become some kind of anti-HRC group. Rex Apr 2015 #56

That's about the size of it though. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #59

Well................. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #65

Done. Rex Apr 2015 #67

My thoughts as well, Rex. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #69

Wow, screw that. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #181

Careful ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #205

I think that is exactly what it is. leftofcool Apr 2015 #130

I agree, groups are protected forums and I can understand why. Rex Apr 2015 #131

What's funny about that is the poster was just wrong treestar Apr 2015 #202

I saw that, it was a cross post from another group. Rex Apr 2015 #230

Yeah, I don't see anything whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #49

Good to know on a Democratic board that pic doesn't bother you.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #199

I think I've lost the plot whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #206

The picture is at the link I just provided. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #208

Ah... Borg Hillary... whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #211

I hope so. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #212

Back when I posted it I didn't see it as trashing Obama whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #213

Not just Obama, sheshe2 Apr 2015 #215

Well whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #219

Your concern is noted demwing Apr 2015 #142

Take a look at the line-up Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #21

Yep, yep and yep. The never ending efforts to ostracize all and stake their claims as the Captains Number23 Apr 2015 #23

I was... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #35

"Well at least they said please." Number23 Apr 2015 #52

That part got me too.. Not "progressive" enough? Cha Apr 2015 #84

Not "progressive" enough for the "progressives" that do absolutely nothing but shit on Democrats Number23 Apr 2015 #85

Really! Rofl! Cha Apr 2015 #87

LOL! Too good to not use again: freshwest Apr 2015 #88

Love that as much I love this: freshwest Apr 2015 #89

Oh my In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #145

... pipoman Apr 2015 #153

Gee, I wonder who could have done that? Couldn't be the person running up and down this thread Number23 Apr 2015 #162

Brava my dear Numbere23! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #209

Oh .....and sheshe2 Apr 2015 #210

Wait... zappaman Apr 2015 #271

No, you most certainly are not! Number23 Apr 2015 #272

It must have been because he's black Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #93

So I take it you agree with the Block? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #98

Looks like Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #106

And you're still welcome demwing Apr 2015 #144

You have the temerity to criticize his post under an OP that childishly criticizes Hillary's logo? stevenleser Apr 2015 #120

Not every post is as important demwing Apr 2015 #143

Yes, I said they blocked him because he's black. Number23 Apr 2015 #165

Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #185

The alerter is so full shit he could pass for a diaper. Number23 Apr 2015 #198

What the hell does a name have to do with anything? demwing Apr 2015 #108

I honestly don't think so Nevernose Apr 2015 #20

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

I wonder if it would help to localize the idea of tax credits? I mean almost every area has some jwirr Apr 2015 #41

Now we're cooking! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #53

Learned last year how this is being done in my state now, 1SBM. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #90

Right to vote is fundamental nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #22

Blocking doesn't sound too progressive. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #29

I'm (almost) over it ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

OMG you were completely rational then the mod blamed YOU! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #99

No, you're clearly not "almost over it". DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #127

Really? I have made 5 (now 6) Blockage related comments ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #136

I do not agree with tax credits for the wealthy PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #31

That's not how investment tax credits work ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #38

I do not agree with any additional tax credits for the wealthy. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #74

Infrastructure repair should be handled by our government rathr then large corporations Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #32

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Sissyk Apr 2015 #83

You are correct but the government hands the money to the state and in turn they hire private jwirr Apr 2015 #44

Hmmm 'tax credits for the wealthy'...where have I heard that one from before? Rex Apr 2015 #34

You do realize there is a difference between tax "credits" and tax "cuts", right? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #40

Where did I call it tax cuts? You do realize 'tax credits' is just more corporate welfare? Rex Apr 2015 #42

No, I do not support corporate welfare ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #57

There is no incentive to help, just earn a profit. Rex Apr 2015 #64

Okay, now you're just being silly. Good night. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #71

Yeah I knew you would give up. Rex Apr 2015 #73

Yeah ... I gave up and it had/has nothing to do with the idea of corporate welfare. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #95

Well then stop expecting the government to take care of your business! Rex Apr 2015 #114

Uh Huh. That's nice. Cousin Betty, please pass the greens. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #119

Right, you got nothing. I know. Rex Apr 2015 #122

Uh Huh. That's nice. Cousin Betty, please pass the potatoes. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #124

Good thing you gave up so long ago! Rex Apr 2015 #126

Is it clear why the poster was blocked? demwing Apr 2015 #147

Well I read a little about them a day ago and now know exactly why Rex Apr 2015 #152

Why do you continue coming into MY thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #156

Im not even talking to you demwing Apr 2015 #161

But you are talking ABOUT me ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #170

So snark is fine coming from you demwing Apr 2015 #175

Okày. Fine buddy. Have a great life. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #179

Thanks demwing Apr 2015 #182

FWIW, you and I don't agree on much. Rex Apr 2015 #233

If I understand you correctly... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #51

I think we should go back to the old system of corporations get nothing from the government Rex Apr 2015 #55

Does that include subsidies for renewable energy projects? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #60

Nothing, sink or swim. Let other huge corporations form their own Rex Apr 2015 #63

Think of all the stuff we wouldn't have ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #70

You are only assuming that corporations will not pick up where government leaves off. Rex Apr 2015 #72

That has a name, venture capitalism. n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #76

Yes but now we practice disaster capitalism and evidently some people like it that way. Rex Apr 2015 #78

True statement. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #79

Bernie sanders is trying introduce just that legislation onecaliberal Apr 2015 #58

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #61

The corporate promoters like it that way, it makes sure the wealthy keep stealing from the Rex Apr 2015 #66

Agreed. Those are the folks I hope we can onecaliberal Apr 2015 #101

Yes. Progressives need to get serious about promoting candidates for local offices eridani Apr 2015 #62

I agree, around here the local tax boards are all controlled by neo-cons. Rex Apr 2015 #68

Yes ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #109

That wouldn't be the chair of the local PNHP chapter, would it? eridani Apr 2015 #187

No his name is Dave Ludden--you may know him ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #231

I got an invte from him also, but will probably go to the PNHP event. n/t eridani Apr 2015 #262

I want to make clear, that no progressive reform BainsBane Apr 2015 #77

+100000. Tired of the whiny white Bro-gressives YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #86

So true ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #104

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #123

The big changes would take years, I agree ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #137

Excellent posts, thanks! lovemydog Apr 2015 #224

Aww you are welcome! ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #232

Don't stop ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #236

Wow. Now you're the kind of progressive I can get behind. Number23 Apr 2015 #166

... ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #188

That's a great idea treestar Apr 2015 #80

One little thought. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #81

Simple, tax the wealthiest. Tax and tax and tax them until they're only fabulously rich. Scuba Apr 2015 #91

I would love to see the wealthiest taxed more ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #103

There's a Progressive Group at DU? LWolf Apr 2015 #92

I would certainly like to see LWolf Apr 2015 #94

Nope. Adrahil Apr 2015 #97

Excellent op. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #102

I deleted my previous post. Sissyk Apr 2015 #105

What's wrong with a little Meta? Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #107

Specially since it caused this wonderful thread! Rex Apr 2015 #128

I love the JAQ like OP Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #132

Well the day progressives think giving tax credits to the wealthy is in any way, shape or form Rex Apr 2015 #135

Funny and sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #159

I guess you're right ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #118

Had a look to see what got you blocked from that group tkmorris Apr 2015 #112

Really? Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #125

Tax credits for the wealthy has nothing to do with moving the party to the left. Rex Apr 2015 #129

Why do we need overly complicated incentive programs? jeff47 Apr 2015 #133

Campaign finance reform is the first step.. SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #148

Not progressive zipplewrath Apr 2015 #149

I disagree with much of what you have written; but, I appreciate the response/discussion ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #164

I agree with you on this. lovemydog Apr 2015 #225

But as I'e mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #227

Strange you should declare this zipplewrath Apr 2015 #239

The tax incentives that you are talking about is not what I am referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #240

Why not just tax the funds zipplewrath Apr 2015 #243

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #245

The GOP ain't that stupid zipplewrath Apr 2015 #249

It does benefit the rich ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #251

As I say, I have no problem with enforcement zipplewrath Apr 2015 #252

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #255

It's different in each state. lovemydog Apr 2015 #270

The gain will be less zipplewrath Apr 2015 #238

Again, I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #241

Enforcement is fine zipplewrath Apr 2015 #244

Okay; but, I'd rather see the infrastructure addressed ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #247

Okay, but it's not progressive zipplewrath Apr 2015 #248

I don't care about "progressive", I care about results ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #250

Then why say this? zipplewrath Apr 2015 #254

Because "progressive" is not the totality of the left ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #256

I'd suggest there was nothing "moving left" about it zipplewrath Apr 2015 #265

okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #266

Your asking for America to lose the superficial way they choose . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #154

Buy time on public access TV/Radio and have a talk show about progressive politics. Taitertots Apr 2015 #157

Read the entire thread DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #235

Thank you ... Now, duck! ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #237

In order to accomplish sheshe2 Apr 2015 #246

They don't need tax credits. They have cash they upaloopa Apr 2015 #253

Cash (off-shore) that ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #257

You are borrowing the money and on the hook for servicing it too TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #260

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #261

You said tax credits. That is a hit on revenue upaloopa Apr 2015 #263

Did you miss the part about the revenue being off-shored ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #264

That has nothing to do with your OP upaloopa Apr 2015 #268

Uh, yes it did/does. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #269

Bribing the wealthy the wealthy to chip in dimes on the dollar is not "moving left" TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #258

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #259