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freshwest

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87. I accept the number, and it is part of the problem now with the displaced who fill the ranks of IS:
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 01:44 AM
Apr 2015
‘Apocalyptic’ Isis beyond anything we've seen, say US defence chiefs.

By Spencer Ackerman - 22 August 2014

...(General) Dempsey, an Iraq veteran, has long been sceptical of US military involvement in the Syrian conflict, citing among other reasons the threat to US pilots from dictator Bashar al-Assad’s air defences.
He has frustrated those who advocated American involvement in the two neighbouring wars, such as hawkish Republican senator John McCain, who in June called on Obama to fire Dempsey, saying he “has done nothing but invent ways for us not to be engaged.”

Echoing the White House’s stated position, Dempsey said the US needed “a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating Isis over time,” something the administration this week has put effort into broadening and strengthening. But the group’s ultimate defeat, the general said, would only come “when it is rejected by the over 20 million disenfranchised Sunnis that happen to reside between Damascus and Baghdad.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/isis-us-military-iraq-strikes-threat-apocalyptic/print

This is no longer just about Iraq. Since Damascus is in Syria, all the way to the Mediterranean and the doorstep to Europe. Many centuries of warfare between the empires, of which the caliphate is planned to be one. And Baghdad is set near the sea on the other end of that stretch of land on the eastern side.

Those 20 million don't all support the Daesh, but that is a huge number and it's not like these people are unable to figure out how to fight to survive. Obama warned Maliki that excluding them them from his government (in revenge for Saddam's oppression of the Shia, I guess) would cause Iraq to break into pieces. So he couldn't fully support Maliki because he didn't govern with inclusion, which would be the only way to have peace.

The result of those fleeing Iraq and impacting other nations created a diasphoria for the new century. The Iraq War was a TEOTWAWKI event and shattered lives and allegiances. The Middle East will be transformed into different nations, because the original fuel for the Daesh is the need of those refugees for a homeland.

Imagine for a moment, an army of 20 million armed and angry and possibly homeless in the USA on the move. Just picture the bloody carnage in the neighboring states in a desperate fight for living space.

The Kurds were accused of being extrene in the past. They managed through the overthrow of Saddam to possess an autonomous region in northern Iraq. The legacy of Bush will hang over us for a generation or more and change the entire world as we know it, too. JMHO.

Horrible cyberswede Apr 2015 #1
''We think the price is worth it.'' -- Sec. State Madeleine Albright Octafish Apr 2015 #2
pssh, that was about a DIFFERENT 500K dead MisterP Apr 2015 #74
Some of of our leaders are truly repulsive. nt PufPuf23 Apr 2015 #85
Yes, and we knew it was an invasion based on a lie. Autumn Apr 2015 #3
I seriously believe they had to have been in bed with bush. marym625 Apr 2015 #55
I think it was driven by the military industrial think tank complex dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #75
I'm sure that is the major part marym625 Apr 2015 #77
Good police violence OP, went and rec'd it dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #78
Thank you! marym625 Apr 2015 #80
Hillary must feel so proud n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #4
Very Helpful comment... busterbrown Apr 2015 #7
The truth is always helpful. Autumn Apr 2015 #9
Ralph Nader represented the truth.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #18
Ralph Nader is irrelevant. He had the same right to run for President as Hillary does. Autumn Apr 2015 #22
Boy that was weak... busterbrown Apr 2015 #26
Keep trying, you have a nice day Autumn Apr 2015 #27
I find that most of my day is hard because I’m a bit busterbrown Apr 2015 #36
Because Republican-Lite Hillary is our ONLY OPTION!!! nt. dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #11
Yea...We got Bernie, Ron Wyden, O’malley ....Warren ain’t runnin busterbrown Apr 2015 #17
You trust Hillary more than Bernie? dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #44
Let's see whether Hillary will support the teachers' unions. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #68
What you're saying is that the Dem Party is so bad they can only produce one candidate, one which sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #91
Simply stated, The cards are stacked busterbrown Apr 2015 #93
Let's hope neither one gets elected n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #28
so we should ignore the truth so someone that voted for this doesn't have to answer for it? marym625 Apr 2015 #56
Let's find a better candidate. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #64
This line of 'reasoning' again? blackspade Apr 2015 #71
Hillary voted for it, didn't she? One million human beings. We BEGGED Them not to do it. I will sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #90
Along with John Kerry BainsBane Apr 2015 #48
I noticed that we didn't invade Iraq when Bill Clinto was president. yardwork Apr 2015 #70
That number seems WAY too high to me. For example, the statisticians closeupready Apr 2015 #5
We bombed their hospitals Oilwellian Apr 2015 #29
Source or citation please? Telcontar Apr 2015 #89
The sanctions against Iraq were crimes also. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #50
More people died of war time disease than bullets during the Civil War. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #61
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. Stalin Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #6
We need to remember that it was not just the government who was pushing for revenge. We the jwirr Apr 2015 #23
Although it is our job to know what is really going on marym625 Apr 2015 #58
I to blame the media. They were the liars for the government. I honestly don't know how we could jwirr Apr 2015 #65
True marym625 Apr 2015 #67
Iraq was not responsible for September 11th. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #62
You don't have to point that out to me but at the time few even asked - it was just any one the jwirr Apr 2015 #66
Terrible! hue Apr 2015 #8
Whether it's 1 million or 154,563 Depaysement Apr 2015 #10
Don't forget to name a number of Democrats who voted for the War JDPriestly Apr 2015 #15
. Agschmid Apr 2015 #16
Seems important to me to remember that some Democrats showed good JDPriestly Apr 2015 #21
No, Hillary did not apologize for her vote; instead, she blamed others, closeupready Apr 2015 #37
She did, did you try Google before you posted that? Agschmid Apr 2015 #40
She did not. closeupready Apr 2015 #45
. Agschmid Apr 2015 #52
That's an admission, not an apology. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #76
There go those goal posts... Agschmid Apr 2015 #82
YOU set the goal posts, not me MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #83
I said she apologized, which the Atlantic agrees she did. Agschmid Apr 2015 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Apr 2015 #51
I'm sorry but I completely disagree marym625 Apr 2015 #60
No, a majority of Dems in the House and Senate combined... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #31
? Agschmid Apr 2015 #41
Other sites claim it's over 1.4 million just in Iraq alone. L0oniX Apr 2015 #12
So can I say Bush was 1/6th Hitler mindwalker_i Apr 2015 #13
nice post, hitler Javaman Apr 2015 #57
Hahaha! This just made my day mindwalker_i Apr 2015 #79
"Sinkingfeeling" is right. What depressing, awful news. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #14
Who cares, we have a new whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #19
And that probably does not include any count of the disabled and displaced. jwirr Apr 2015 #20
One of the worst type of injury is brain damage marym625 Apr 2015 #53
War of aggression that was a choice. JEB Apr 2015 #24
How blithely, the US brings death and destruction to other countries. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #25
+1000 n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #34
Many of them are connected to Wall St. Many of them made a lot of money. raouldukelives Apr 2015 #43
No link to 9-11, No WMDs, and no threat to the Europe or the United States Botany Apr 2015 #30
repug caused deaths - bush, cheney - all of them samsingh Apr 2015 #32
Sad. It is hard to see what the combimation of greed, fear and power can do. logosoco Apr 2015 #33
Arrest and try the war criminals now or forever shut the FUCK up about how great America is IHateTheGOP Apr 2015 #35
Every single person that voted for the war marym625 Apr 2015 #49
reading the whole article is heartbreaking. niyad Apr 2015 #38
let's stop crying over spilt milk G_j Apr 2015 #39
Look Forward! Octafish Apr 2015 #42
OMD WE SUCK! marym625 Apr 2015 #46
somewhere, dick cheney is smiling spanone Apr 2015 #47
The same figure was reported -- and disputed -- several years ago... FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #54
Right wingers will claim they were ALL terrorists. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #59
Makes me sick Canoe52 Apr 2015 #63
Sickening blackspade Apr 2015 #69
This blog estimates 1.5 million. moondust Apr 2015 #72
Wow! Good for them. One Million Terrorists killed! LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #73
And no one has been prosecuted liberal N proud Apr 2015 #81
K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #86
I accept the number, and it is part of the problem now with the displaced who fill the ranks of IS: freshwest Apr 2015 #87
Yea but Hillary got a chicken burrito bowl and *was not recognized* GummyBearz Apr 2015 #88
No, the politicians that voted for this do NOT get to get away with it and become president. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #92
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