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52. I was replying to post #11's general incoherence and

Sat May 5, 2012, 05:11 PM

May 2012

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specifically to this statement: 'but whenever any government was based on Marx's views, they became as bad or worse than the dictatorships they were.' sic

So he was saying the USSR was worse for the average Soviet citizen than Czarist Russia. I call bullshit on that statement.

The George W. Bush regime was bad for the people, as was the Reagan regime.

Marx himself said he wasn't a Marxist.

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Karl Marx: 10 great quotes on his birthday [View all] xchrom May 2012 OP

The 10th ,proves he was an existentialist orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #1

K&R Brickbat May 2012 #2

K&R bahrbearian May 2012 #3

If he hadn't lived in England he couldn't have observed Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #4

IIRC, he also put bread on the table by working coalition_unwilling May 2012 #21

i'll give this 1 kick. nt xchrom May 2012 #5

Here's another. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #74

How about noting just what a horse's ass Karl Marx was. Archae May 2012 #6

... xchrom May 2012 #7

I don't understand either post Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #9

i ribbing him -- because marx was right. xchrom May 2012 #10

Marx's view of human nature is a failure. Archae May 2012 #11

Thanks Archaic never thought I'd have such an understanding Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #13

Name just one success Marx had. Archae May 2012 #14

Unions, women's vote, socialistic Teddy Roosevelt's national parks Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #17

You attribte all those to Marx? former9thward May 2012 #24

130 years after he died, people are posting his ideas on an internet message board, Zorra May 2012 #18

On the internet you will find people posting the ideas of Stalin, Hitler, Lenin and Mao former9thward May 2012 #23

And Marx has nothing in common with any of them Bjorn Against May 2012 #28

Well, I do think Lenin and Marx share the commonality of dialectical materialism. Lenin turned coalition_unwilling May 2012 #79

Alright, I suppose I can accept some similarities with Lenin as far as ideology goes Bjorn Against May 2012 #87

Dialectical materialism and historical materialism only have one outcome, imo. joshcryer May 2012 #95

Thank you, Zorra. hifiguy May 2012 #43

You do realize that he was one of the key founders of modern social science? Bjorn Against May 2012 #32

hahahaha obamanut2012 May 2012 #103

You are so full of shit as to stagger belief. Are you seriously coalition_unwilling May 2012 #20

Every regime you just mentioned is/was bad for the people. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #29

I was replying to post #11's general incoherence and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #52

And you would be wrong. But believe whatever you want. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #53

Your mere assertion does not make it so. But you believe whatever you want - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #81

Absolutely nothing would convince you. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #85

There are no utopias in Marx. He was an analyst of capitalism, not a designer of utopias. HiPointDem May 2012 #35

castro's cuba is a much better place than batista's nt arely staircase May 2012 #49

Not for the pimps and 1%ers (jk :) - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #82

Castro's Cuba has an incarceration rate that rivals the US's. joshcryer May 2012 #94

i am not an apoligist for castro's human rights record arely staircase May 2012 #99

As we watch Cuba slowly return to a free marked economy hack89 May 2012 #97

that's what they said when the USSR collapsed. nt arely staircase May 2012 #100

Without nuclear weapons, Russia would be nothing hack89 May 2012 #107

Russia was held up by the Eastern Bloc which they occupied for decades (Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). joshcryer May 2012 #111

i think you misunderstood me arely staircase May 2012 #121

Sorry - got it now. nt hack89 May 2012 #122

Cuba is on the verge of political revolution, and Capriles will not cut them off. joshcryer May 2012 #108

So the people of Veneuzula have no say in the matter? hack89 May 2012 #110

Capriles, the likely next President of Venezuela, will be elected by the people. joshcryer May 2012 #112

"Gattungswesen" is not "human nature." Marx's view of "human nature" was fine. joshcryer May 2012 #93

How do you expect to get there, then? white_wolf May 2012 #109

You go around capitalism. joshcryer May 2012 #113

Actually, Marx was most definitely NOT a Utopian. OrwellwasRight May 2012 #114

Fatally wrong. hifiguy May 2012 #41

I don't disagree w/ you. Nt xchrom May 2012 #45

Oh yeah, things are SOOOO different now.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #16

What was the true intent and philosophy of Karl Marx? scatalogical May 2012 #26

what was marx chief aim? scatalogical May 2012 #30

Engels was stated as saying Marx was a "monster" ??? LAGC May 2012 #38

If so, I'm sure the comment was completely taken out of context. white_wolf May 2012 #44

from the sources I have read scatalogical May 2012 #63

Source that, please. white_wolf May 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #65

Seriously? white_wolf May 2012 #66

A bit unsettling isnt it? scatalogical May 2012 #67

The only thing unsettling is that you actually seem believe it. white_wolf May 2012 #68

whether I choose to believe it does not really matter. scatalogical May 2012 #70

Where are the article's citations? Bjorn Against May 2012 #78

The authoritative source is "Moody Church Media Ministries". lol. HiPointDem May 2012 #86

Wow how could you find a more authoritive source than Moody Church Media Ministries! Bjorn Against May 2012 #90

Moody is crazy obamanut2012 May 2012 #104

Yeah, Christian dominionist garbage is pretty unsettling to find on a democratic chatboard. HiPointDem May 2012 #88

the sources you've read like fake quotes. as i already demonstrated re the "monster" quote. HiPointDem May 2012 #83

I find no such quote in the most complete database of Marx/Engels work that exists. HiPointDem May 2012 #51

Marx was a 'reactionary'????? Hunh???? You might want coalition_unwilling May 2012 #19

Not everyone can be a furry. nt. Starry Messenger May 2012 #25

The very first sentence of your main post discredits you. white_wolf May 2012 #31

"The very first sentence of you main post discredits you" - LOL. apocalypsehow May 2012 #36

Is that all you've got? white_wolf May 2012 #39

He was certainly right about what was wrong then and now eridani May 2012 #91

That word doesn't mean what you think it means obamanut2012 May 2012 #101

K & R. snagglepuss May 2012 #8

k&r Starry Messenger May 2012 #12

marx was a terrible prognosticator (history not being a science but a humanity) arely staircase May 2012 #15

Entire university faculties of history will take issue with your coalition_unwilling May 2012 #22

and i would humbly disagree wih each and every one arely staircase May 2012 #27

Well, I was mainly joking, but typically history is coalition_unwilling May 2012 #50

oh i read everything from feminist social historians to traditional military historians arely staircase May 2012 #54

Yes, indeed they do. janx May 2012 #48

his prognostications being? HiPointDem May 2012 #56

that the failures of capitalism and class arely staircase May 2012 #58

that's one prognostication. nothing to say about any others? HiPointDem May 2012 #59

not at the arely staircase May 2012 #60

um, because there were some preconditions....and preconditional prognostications? HiPointDem May 2012 #69

ok, well give me some arely staircase May 2012 #73

don't want to give you anything, just sounding you out on marx's prognostications. you sounded HiPointDem May 2012 #76

so no interest in enlightening me? arely staircase May 2012 #77

you claimed marx's prognostications failed. just wanted to see what you were talking about. HiPointDem May 2012 #80

and you asked for an example, i gave you one and asked for contrary examples and you had nothing. arely staircase May 2012 #98

i didn't ask for "examples", i asked: "his prognostication*s* being?" so no, it doesn't. HiPointDem May 2012 #106

and you still have nothing nt arely staircase May 2012 #118

and you never had anything but what you read in the mainstream media -- other people HiPointDem May 2012 #119

and given your reluctance (or inability) to enlighten us arely staircase May 2012 #120

you made the claim. i asked you to back it up. you can't, you just have boilerplate. HiPointDem May 2012 #123

lol nt arely staircase May 2012 #124

lol yourself. you don't know bupkis about marx or his prognostications. HiPointDem May 2012 #125

K&R Odin2005 May 2012 #33

why do you guys have be to so disrespectful josephslaton May 2012 #34

Post #11 represents ignorance, shrillness and slander, all coalition_unwilling May 2012 #84

Great discussion steve2470 May 2012 #37

Wasn't Napoleon always painted like that? white_wolf May 2012 #40

I think he was, yes nt steve2470 May 2012 #42

That was a usual pose then obamanut2012 May 2012 #105

Not only did Lincoln and Marx correspond, hifiguy May 2012 #46

I celebrate Marx's, Lennons, Socrates and Jeffersons's birth Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #47

Socrates Cave and the Communist Manifesto orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #55

Wasn't the cave Plato's idea? white_wolf May 2012 #57

yes it was arely staircase May 2012 #61

It's all Plato mathematic May 2012 #62

Materialist ???? Behaviorist orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #96

you've got nothing to lose but a DURec, comrade. KG May 2012 #71

You forgot..... whistler162 May 2012 #72

What I first noticed lordsummerisle May 2012 #75

K&R....n/t unkachuck May 2012 #89

I loves me my Marxist fire department. eridani May 2012 #92

Note this is from the Christian Science Monitor, not Pravda obamanut2012 May 2012 #102

No thanks, not going to celebrate Marx usregimechange May 2012 #115

His analysis of capitalism is being proven true everyday... white_wolf May 2012 #116

k/r Dawson Leery May 2012 #117