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Tierra_y_Libertad

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11. A good question.

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:16 PM

Apr 2015

From the article..

Still: What does that mean? When you can spy on anyone, anywhere, anytime—not just heads of state, but anyone on a cell or a WiFi connection—what do you actually do? More to the point: Who was the Annapolis spying on last year?

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So now it is official -- Snowden has leaked MILITARY intelligence secrets [View all] Blue_Tires Apr 2015 OP

It doesn't protect your rights, MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

The individuals who abused these programs and spied illegally on allies and the American people... 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #2

Okay but which individuals besides Snowden have acted illegally? ucrdem Apr 2015 #19

Depends on how you interpret the 4th Amencment to the Constitution of the United States. merrily Apr 2015 #60

Because let's face it. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #74

This is the problem with Snowden and Manning qazplm Apr 2015 #3

thanks for posting this irisblue Apr 2015 #4

Mercy me. He outed more US spying. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #5

His greatest crime was humiliating Obama LittleBlue Apr 2015 #12

Bingo! QC Apr 2015 #16

That appears to have been a primary objective, yes. ucrdem Apr 2015 #22

No, that was not his primary objective. The knee-jerk emotional reaction is simply a sideshow cui bono Apr 2015 #24

I wouldn't call a RW disinfo stunt criticism, and I wouldn't idolize the perps. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #25

So? What does that have to do with Snowden? n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #26

Probably very little operationally. ucrdem Apr 2015 #27

Who is this "voluntary poster boy of a disgusting RW hit job" of which you speak? cui bono Apr 2015 #30

It'll come to you. ucrdem Apr 2015 #31

I don't think so. Help me understand your assertions if you would like a discussion. n/t cui bono Apr 2015 #32

And by the same token Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #33

What is an 'emoprog'? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #48

Here ya go. This is from 2012 and yes it's meant as an insult. neverforget Apr 2015 #50

Wow AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #70

That's just lovely. City Lights Apr 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #40

+1000 marym625 Apr 2015 #43

Nailed it!...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #51

I think that is a response to the belittlement. joshcryer Apr 2015 #53

Indeed. It's no coincidence that the biggest Snowden attackers are almost, 1 for 1, the biggest Marr Apr 2015 #65

Oh, no..Obama supporters?! *Gasp* R B Garr Apr 2015 #72

I didn't say there's anything wrong with being a fervent Obama supporter. Marr Apr 2015 #73

So, I was just as disgusted over exposing Valerie Plame as I am with this latest revelation Sheepshank Apr 2015 #104

You mean the Obama that talked about the spy community months before Snowden went to China? uponit7771 Apr 2015 #98

Not sure why you believe this information would discredit him in any way, I see nothing that AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #6

I'm just calling out hypocrisy as I see it Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #34

I don't see it? AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #45

Don't worry... MattSh Apr 2015 #46

Snowden COULD HAVE done all of that and not be a traitor at the same time. uponit7771 Apr 2015 #99

I honestly don't see how any of this tells anyone anything they didn't already know. leveymg Apr 2015 #7

Actually, it was the guys who wrote the article that exposed the info Oilwellian Apr 2015 #8

heh grasswire Apr 2015 #14

Anchors Aweigh. Octafish Apr 2015 #21

The more both sides know about each other (within reason), the safer we all are. leveymg Apr 2015 #44

Ever read Stanislaw Lem? Octafish Apr 2015 #76

Just the book Solaris. Saw both film versions - loved them both. leveymg Apr 2015 #84

Trust me. Octafish Apr 2015 #85

I get that same disoriented feeling every time I read anything by leveymg Apr 2015 #86

Looky at what I found on Google books: A Stanislaw Lem Reader. leveymg Apr 2015 #88

" . . . just hide embarrassing stuff the Russians already know from the American public." Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #80

Putin is Sid! leveymg Apr 2015 #82

With 20 bucks and the secret signature that was released?! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #100

The article's author asks in the Comments: "What is the damage"? It's already in the Public Domain. 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #9

Have you read Blind Man's Bluff? We'very been spying and hacking neverforget Apr 2015 #10

That book is strictly fiction. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #81

You do realize that many books get published without approval of the military right? neverforget Apr 2015 #87

Do you have anything other than your opinion on this? I really want to know neverforget Apr 2015 #92

A good question. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #11

^THIS^ dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #18

"What does that mean?" It means billions of $$ for Apple, Microsoft, closeupready Apr 2015 #36

Agreed. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #62

Tell me again how a submarine in the Red Sea is performing missions vital to KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #13

you are a glutton for punishment grasswire Apr 2015 #15

How do you figure? Ain't nobody said shit yet to refute it Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #35

Yes. They have. Only you are too willfully blind to see their answers riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #38

Thanks for reminding me... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #89

You've buried your questions in a ridiculous thread that most folks have tuned out riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #96

Please point to any posts in this thread or any other thread Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #106

nnnnnnnooooo, no he isn't....not with me at least. Exposing the government in the dumbest way possib uponit7771 Apr 2015 #101

First of all, you need to tell us what the military intelligence secret was that you think muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #39

Nothing big, but Annapolis got a SIGINT upgrade. joshcryer Apr 2015 #54

If you mean it got an upgrade in 2014, then that can't come from Snowden muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #57

It got the upgrade before deploying (as per article). joshcryer Apr 2015 #63

If it's already public knowledge, why is he credited for the "leak?" Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #90

You're the one who has christened this article a 'leak', and credited it to Snowden muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #91

Two good questions that will be two hundred percent ignored uponit7771 Apr 2015 #102

You're kidding? G_j Apr 2015 #42

They can't say shit about it that means anything. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #52

You've been refuted by the fact that people post pictures of the Obama family! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2015 #66

Thanks for exposing the Snowden Lies & Hypocrisy for the 2 years, Blue Tires. So appreciate it. Cha Apr 2015 #93

I don't have a problem with this JonLP24 Apr 2015 #17

So, when the Navy said in 2008 the Annapolis supported national security muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #20

Ruh roh! So what does this mean? Does the Navy now need to flee the country? Rex Apr 2015 #28

I'm tempted to rec this thread for the replies alone. cui bono Apr 2015 #23

I'll answer your first question. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #29

sunlight is the best disinfectant.... mike_c Apr 2015 #37

Really? "Phase Zero"?????? bvar22 Apr 2015 #41

Like John Oliver pointed out, the American people don't care. joshcryer Apr 2015 #47

You should start a "Big Brother is watching us!" fan club AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #49

The important issue is not what was leaked, but whether it was already known or not and how much it merrily Apr 2015 #55

Coincidentally, 2014 was also the year that Sony, Target, iCloud, Spotify, e-bay, Nieman Marcus, ucrdem Apr 2015 #56

tin foil hat time. neverforget Apr 2015 #58

Tin foil hat or smear tactic? merrily Apr 2015 #59

"2014: the year of retailers getting hacked over and over again" ucrdem Apr 2015 #61

It was after all, Snowden who bungled the openssh implementation that provided a gaping exploit Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #64

Who benefits from a vast collection of data on American citizens? riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #69

Couldn't possibly be that corporations didn't protect their neverforget Apr 2015 #77

Not these corps, no. Do you know where Target for example gets its name? ucrdem Apr 2015 #78

Well, they did take it very casually. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #105

It was also the year that Robin Williams died! Marr Apr 2015 #68

Aw, you're full of it, Blue_Tires. Snowden only turned over info to 'responsible journalists'. randome Apr 2015 #67

In Russia. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #79

Unfortunately, he Can be full of Shite and he is.. but, obvisously doesn't matter to his fan club. Cha Apr 2015 #94

Oh, so now you're going to believe anything Greenwald says? randome Apr 2015 #95

Well, we have to get along with everyone here, they are our neighbors. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #97

lol uponit7771 Apr 2015 #103

Yes because the United States has an inalienable right to Savannahmann Apr 2015 #75

Who gives a flying fuck? Good. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #83