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boston bean

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97. It's disappointing, that's for sure.

Reply to MaggieD (Reply #93)

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 11:57 AM

Apr 2015

Expect a lot more of it, from all flanks...

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Robert Reich -- Hillary "cannot run on being the first woman to be president..." [View all] kentuck Apr 2015 OP

Agreed - The HRC Cheerleaders All Seem To Overlook This Obvious Point cantbeserious Apr 2015 #1

What's the obvious point? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #5

That Being The First Female President Is A Campaign Platform cantbeserious Apr 2015 #15

Can you cite the evidence that suggests... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #18

Seen Often At DU And In the Press - Comments On How HRC Would Be The First Female President cantbeserious Apr 2015 #23

Most folks seem to believe her gender makes it no more or less likely they will support her DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #40

Can Only Speak To The OP - Which I Happen To Agree With - Your Opinions Are Your Own cantbeserious Apr 2015 #50

His premise is flawed...It's a logical fallacy: The straw man. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #55

How does anyone know what positions Clinton does or doesn't hold? tularetom Apr 2015 #95

Charm and charisma are subjective... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #107

all she has going for her? indivisibleman Apr 2015 #122

I bet you a dollar Clinton will have a website tomorrow (Sun 4-12) emulatorloo Apr 2015 #139

Hillary being the first female president is not a platform QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #119

Since you claim to know everything about Hillary.... Smithryee Apr 2015 #170

Another straw man DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #171

Ok so you dismiss my questions Smithryee Apr 2015 #172

Hillary is 45, say it with me, say it with me... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #177

very good argument. I'm gonna use this. n/t indivisibleman Apr 2015 #209

That same poll about the first black president would reveal the same results. zeemike Apr 2015 #204

Papers were awash with "Obama as the First Black President" riversedge Apr 2015 #51

Actually that strategy works against Hillary due to her close relationship w/ countries & foreign leaders who abuse women. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #58

statement she made a few days ago. 2banon Apr 2015 #73

"jaw dropping" the thought of a woman president??? boston bean Apr 2015 #78

No. NOT MY POINT AT ALL. 2banon Apr 2015 #88

Human beings are complicated DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #102

Exactly my point. Which is why I agree completely with Reich's analysis. 2banon Apr 2015 #112

Except being a woman is not at the foundation of her candidacy. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #114

have you seen that news clip yet? 2banon Apr 2015 #174

women are human beings qazplm Apr 2015 #169

In agreement completely, except.. I'd argue that Elizabeth Warren would motivate and inspire more. 2banon Apr 2015 #175

What's jaw-dropping is that this country acts like it would be an avant garde act. Demit Apr 2015 #100

Have we had a woman president, I am unaware of.... boston bean Apr 2015 #103

The first 43 presidents were white males... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #81

It seems you're missing the point.. and you're preaching to the choir. 2banon Apr 2015 #98

The point is ascribing positions to folks they don't hold and then dismissing or ridiculing them... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #120

Coming from the working/poor class, myself.. 2banon Apr 2015 #129

You didn't offend me...We're fine... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #160

I agree with her statement. indivisibleman Apr 2015 #125

Ok. Since intellect, positions on foreign and domestic policies is secondary 2banon Apr 2015 #126

It was obviously an off the cuff remark AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #152

Exactly! n/t indivisibleman Apr 2015 #208

Just because I say it is time for us to indivisibleman Apr 2015 #210

Jaw dropping to imagine a woman President. Wow. n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #181

she made that statement captured on news feeds. per last night's PBS News Hour 2banon Apr 2015 #80

Put 'first woman president' into the DU search engine. Personally I am with the 83% who want good sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #143

All things being equal... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #154

Really? You would hire a substandard worker, simply because of their gender, ethnicity etc to make sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #158

What part of "all things being equal" don't you understand? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #161

Okay, you are correct, I did miss that. So ignore my other comment and I apologize. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #162

No problem... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #164

I agree with you. Wrt the police, I would go back to community policing where cops are from the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #165

In L A they have police sponsor after school athletic activities for kids... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #166

That is a good idea! Getting to know the people they are there to protect. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #178

It doesn't take a PhD in Criminology or Sociology DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #197

Seems like an out of date observation, I don't recall the last time I saw two cops in the same car. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #214

In L A whenever I see a cop car there is always two cops in it... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #215

Yes! I like your thinking here, she would be a great addition! Thanks... nt haikugal Apr 2015 #203

Um. No. That is a silly comment. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #33

Cantbeserious, you over look an obvious Point: Hillary is the most qualified person running! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #138

Because she is a woman she needs to make the case as to why she is as good as a man. leftofcool Apr 2015 #2

Because she is a candidate she needs to make the case that she is as good or better than any other djean111 Apr 2015 #10

When did Ms. Clinton say she should be president because she is a woman??NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #16

Her supporters are pushing the meme that it would be all swell and historical and shit if she was djean111 Apr 2015 #21

Maybe she should get gender reassignment surgery so she wouldn't face that pesky problem... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #29

It would be swell and historical for Hillary (a democrat) to be the first woman president. boston bean Apr 2015 #30

I have heard her say it. It's out there. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #193

Well Said... this may come down to HRC vs Carly Fiorina .. I don't want either. 2banon Apr 2015 #104

I would rather have Warren as the candidate - and I have never read or heard of anyone djean111 Apr 2015 #110

Agree completely, exactly what I said in a different post. 2banon Apr 2015 #134

Did Robert Reich write Obama should deny being black, try to hide it, not boston bean Apr 2015 #3

??? kentuck Apr 2015 #6

First off Hillary has said no such thing... secondly, would Reich have ever written something like boston bean Apr 2015 #12

I think Reich is merely talking about its opinion on the snippet of Hillary's Autumn Apr 2015 #32

OMG, she spoke at Emily's List... saying wouldn't it be nice to have a woman president!! boston bean Apr 2015 #36

You know if Hillary's supporters are going to get upset over Autumn Apr 2015 #39

Who is upset? Me??? boston bean Apr 2015 #42

Whatever. Autumn Apr 2015 #43

Should I read some emotion behind that one word response? boston bean Apr 2015 #44

Not at all it's a one word response I just saw no reason for a sarcastic reply Autumn Apr 2015 #61

Don't worry, I didn't. boston bean Apr 2015 #63

Its hard not to read emotion in a post that used 7 exclamation points in two sentences. arcane1 Apr 2015 #151

That means I'm upset? oookayyy.... boston bean Apr 2015 #156

Emily's List exists to elect female candidate, albeit progressive ones... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #48

Got it, no opinions allowed on what Hillary says Autumn Apr 2015 #57

Is that the inference you drew from what I said ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #66

I never draw any inference from anything you say. I only responded to you because Autumn Apr 2015 #77

"... I have never bothered to read anything you have to say...." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #87

Blacks are a minority who vote Democratic anyway treestar Apr 2015 #62

For someone who matriculated at Oxford... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #13

I'm sure Hillary will have a platform... kentuck Apr 2015 #17

She said becoming a grandmother... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #22

maybe she should have said "grandparent" boston bean Apr 2015 #35

Fair point, but don't think it works quite as well in Hillary's favor. Indeed, that strategy could very well backfire. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #65

I took a "Woman in Politics" course, there are a lot of factors Reich is right about. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #70

Wow, you would think someone like Robert Reich wouldn't be using it as a bludgeon.. boston bean Apr 2015 #74

Regardless of your thoughts, decades of research support Reich's position-Stay away from gender. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #82

She can't hide her gender... She can't stay away from it. boston bean Apr 2015 #83

If she embraces it, she'll lose. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #105

So, because society is a sexist pit hole, she has to run away from the clearly boston bean Apr 2015 #108

Sucks, doesn't it? But they are just some of the parameters/double standards that she is faced with. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #127

Yeah, these hurdles are too high.. she ought not run. boston bean Apr 2015 #205

The Doctor of my Women in Politics class is one of the Top 5 W.I.P. researchers in the country. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #218

that's a very weird question. not your making case very well. 2banon Apr 2015 #135

I think you are misunderstanding. Obama didn't try to sell himself as the first black president. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #195

I am not misunderstanding anything.. but thank you. boston bean Apr 2015 #198

Yep. It's not about gender but ideas and convictions. mmonk Apr 2015 #4

Yes, good point davidpdx Apr 2015 #217

Agreed, there are many issues she's going to have to address Autumn Apr 2015 #7

Not a Hillary fan, but NV Whino Apr 2015 #8

I don't base my vote on gender, sexual preference, wealth, race, ethnicity, or ability to dance. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #9

^^^This^^^ 99Forever Apr 2015 #28

All things being equal I always voted for the black candidate, the female candidate... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #34

So... Then you would have voted for Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, or Herman Cain... cascadiance Apr 2015 #94

You missed "All things being equal..." tazkcmo Apr 2015 #140

I was I guess interpreting what some people having "being equal" meaning they are Democrats... cascadiance Apr 2015 #180

It's a subtext cali Apr 2015 #11

Many pundits believe she is going to use it this time. mmonk Apr 2015 #19

why shouldn't she? but it's hardly her platform. cali Apr 2015 #20

I agree and frankly, could care less. mmonk Apr 2015 #24

One of the criticisms of her 08 campaign was she was running away from her gender by acting tough... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #52

I agree. A person's personality determines that. mmonk Apr 2015 #72

It's going to be very obvious that she would be the MineralMan Apr 2015 #14

Yeah, I agree, and I'm not a Hillary supporter. The fact that she's a woman is just an Nay Apr 2015 #41

Of all women to be the first woman president treestar Apr 2015 #59

Seems to me she has something besides her gender to run on. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #25

she doesn't have to, just as President Obama didn't have to run as being the first African American. still_one Apr 2015 #26

A truth that some won't acknowledge. 99Forever Apr 2015 #27

A truth that some won't acknowledge ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #47

She has experience mainstreetonce Apr 2015 #31

I think the underlying point is that America has a lot of issues and problems.. kentuck Apr 2015 #37

If you haven't heard HRC speak to each of these issues ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49

Where does she stand on Citizens United? kentuck Apr 2015 #53

She opposes Citizens United ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #64

It certainly helps. DCBob Apr 2015 #38

Listen to her glass ceiling speech, She used it then in 2007, bahrbearian Apr 2015 #45

I want to shatter glass ceilings and open locked doors to opportunity... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #75

Wow, you would think that acknowledging she was a woman boston bean Apr 2015 #89

I feel emasculated already... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #92

Not really a good campaign slogan bahrbearian Apr 2015 #96

Maybe she wan't, but... JayhawkSD Apr 2015 #46

While it's true that she doesn't have SheilaT Apr 2015 #54

For those who consider it to be no difference between Republicans and Democrats treestar Apr 2015 #56

I agree completely. nt B2G Apr 2015 #60

As a Woman, I completely AGREE with Robert Reich's analysis.. WELL DONE! 2banon Apr 2015 #67

Embrace populist policies or lose. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #68

Wow. Reich really stepped in it this time. salib Apr 2015 #69

Good point. PatrickforO Apr 2015 #71

^^ this ^^ Novara Apr 2015 #76

Women's rights are an important issue to Democrats. She isn't running on being the first woman Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #79

To be honest, it is probably a double standard... kentuck Apr 2015 #84

How dare she mention she is a woman and would be our first woman president. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #85

It should be a secondary reason and amongst the primary reasons she should get elected... cascadiance Apr 2015 #109

She is not running based on her gender. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #111

Just about everyone in America can run on "making a difference" cascadiance Apr 2015 #115

Well you have the right to your opinion but the people of our party appear ready to nominate her hrmjustin Apr 2015 #124

They were "ready to nominate her" in 2008 and look what happened later then... cascadiance Apr 2015 #182

Corporate media polls? Are you sayingvthey are lying? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #184

Nope, they just aren't reporting anything that means anything and trying to make it sound... cascadiance Apr 2015 #186

Well good luck defeating her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #187

If it happens, it will and should only happen in the primaries... cascadiance Apr 2015 #191

Agree, and she won't highlight that... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #86

If Robert Reich said that . . . . people Apr 2015 #90

Robert Reich is 4'11" tall. He would face a distinct disadvantage running for president. Demit Apr 2015 #128

However, it's one of the strongest things she's got going right now. Novara Apr 2015 #91

Great strawman argument MaggieD Apr 2015 #93

It's disappointing, that's for sure. boston bean Apr 2015 #97

Pure desperation is what it is. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #117

Really?? ananda Apr 2015 #99

It really is. To have your sex used against you in this way boston bean Apr 2015 #106

Absolutely! Martin Eden Apr 2015 #101

I like Reich, but this is beyond stupid. Being a woman is part of who she is. It is going to be an Mass Apr 2015 #113

Maybe it's a "man" thing with Reich MaggieD Apr 2015 #118

See my posts above.. it's part of political reality. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #131

Please read my posts on this thread. Reich refers to well-known institutional gender biases. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #136

Really dumb thing to say. Reich is better than that. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #116

I'm totally with you about the primary bigtree Apr 2015 #132

Agree with you 100% on both counts. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #163

WEll there are two more in the race Cryptoad Apr 2015 #121

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #123

he sounds almost resentful on that point bigtree Apr 2015 #130

I'm sure that Hillary needed Reich to tell her that since she's never been involved in a campaign. Beacool Apr 2015 #133

She doesn't need to. She is highly qualified in her own right. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #137

He's right. Issues, that is what voters want to hear about! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #141

pretty sure HRC will have a website up tomorrow, don't you think? emulatorloo Apr 2015 #149

Well, here's the problem with Hillary. I know, eg, where Warren stands on important issues. She has sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #153

For YEARS I've heard people wailing that if women were in power, things would be better BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #142

My generally non-political wife is planning to get very active for Hillary. JoePhilly Apr 2015 #144

JoePhilly: I will be out there working for Hillary too! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #148

This country has some severe problems... kentuck Apr 2015 #145

Robert Reich is sexist: Hillary is not running because she is woman: She is qualified!!!!! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #146

He hitched his star to Bill Clinton at Oxford... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #168

I agree. That should be at the bottom of her resume not the top. Cleita Apr 2015 #147

I don't recall her exploiting that as an issue in 08 AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #150

I like him, but that was stupid. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #155

Couldn't agree more The Blue Flower Apr 2015 #157

Her vision is to have a world where every person has the same advantages as her granddaughter. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #167

a laudable goal, but a vision based on a fantasy. bvar22 Apr 2015 #194

My pops died when I was fourteen and I lived in what folks call a shotgun shack. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #196

Odd, I grew up in a "Shotgun" too. bvar22 Apr 2015 #199

She'll run as being the second Clinton to be President. craigmatic Apr 2015 #159

I am not sure. something analogous was a big chunk of Obama's allure in 2008 Doctor_J Apr 2015 #173

Coming late to the thread... but Robert Reich is a big Hillary fan OKNancy Apr 2015 #176

And with this post, you absolutely destroy the tripe that was in the OP... SidDithers Apr 2015 #179

The "tripe" in the OP was from Robert Reich's FB page, Robert Reich's words not the OP's Autumn Apr 2015 #190

Thanks for the post OKNancy! kentuck Apr 2015 #202

So the apologist for William Clinton has defined the HRC candidacy? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #183

She speaks for women's rights fadedrose Apr 2015 #185

Personally I think Frances Perkins should be considered to be on our currency someplace... cascadiance Apr 2015 #188

Michele Bachmann is a woman. bvar22 Apr 2015 #189

Yep, Bernie Sanders is a man, and Ted Cruz is a man, but that choice is VERY simple... cascadiance Apr 2015 #192

Let me be blunt here dsc Apr 2015 #200

Correct. Obama didn't run on being the first black man, he ran on being the most competent Warpy Apr 2015 #201

I Voted for Obama yellowwoodII Apr 2015 #206

I have started to see this argument indivisibleman Apr 2015 #207

It's a sexist argument and they know it. Beacool Apr 2015 #211

completely agree. indivisibleman Apr 2015 #212

Keeping my fingers crossed. Beacool Apr 2015 #213

I assume he's saying she can not build a platform around being woman loyalsister Apr 2015 #216