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happyslug

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56. I once went by a welfare office where a co-workers said they were all in late model cars
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

Then I looked at the cars, and they were about 10 years old. Most people have NO idea the age of most cars. If the car was made sometime since a major style change it is a "New Car" even if it is 20 years old. While the "Ideal" length of a car model is about six years, many are in production for 15 (I am excluding the VW Golf/Rabbit, which has been in production for 40 years). There are slight model changes from year to year, but even most young teen males no longer know the difference between this years model and last years model (prior to the 1970s and the huge increase in the models each car makers made, many males did know the difference, but that more or less died out in the 1960s as car makers introduced mid-Sized, then Compact, then Sub compact cars).

Till the late 1970s, one way to tell if a car was more then five years old, was by the rust it had. The problem is starting in the 1970s (and in response to Japanese Car makers rust resistant cars) even US cars started NOT to rust after five years. Thus a ten year old car could look just like a new made car if given a new coat of wax.

I work with low income people and I have to ask them what they are driving, it is are to find any of them driving anything newer then something 10 years old, they can NOT afford anything newer (and really can not afford anything older, older cars cost a lot to keep on the road for cars are only design to last 10 years). At the same time I deal with people who say they see people going to welfare offices in new cars, often poor people I work with. The reason these people see the poor is "Late Model" cars is as follows:

1: most people have no idea how old most cars are, unless the car is a Land yacht from the early 1970s, most look very similar and have since the 1970s.

2. Poor people like 8 cylinder engines, for the simple reason V-8s tend to last a lot longer then smaller four and six cylinder engines. As people since the 1970s have switched to six instead of V-8s, sixes are becoming more popular, but larger engines can take a lot more abuse then smaller engines, thus poor people tend to buy larger cars

3. The After market for Mid Size and Large Cars are limited. Europe tolerates them, but they are liked in the Mid East and Latin America in addition to the US. On the other hand the East Indies and Southern Europe like smaller cars. This has been the trend for decades. Many small used cars when traded in end up in Southern Europe or the East Indies, for both areas are willing to pay more for those cars then many poor Americas are willing to do so. A Thus we have a lot of used mid size and large cars in the US that stay in the US for 10-20 years, while a lot of smaller cars are shipped overseas.

4. A lot of Americans believe that if you are driving a large car, it is a late model car, while if you are driving a compact car, it is used for they would NEVER buy one. Thus if the poor person is driving a Cadillac it must be a late model, even if it is 10-20 years old.

5. Prior to the 1970s, the best way to see the age of a car was how rusted out it was. With the improvements in Rust protection starting in the 1970s, Rust is rare even in ten year old cars, but the perception that older cars must have rust persists. Thus any car with just minimal rust must be a late model car, not a car 10-20 years old.

Just a comment in that most people when looking at such cars see what they want to see NOT what before they eyes.

Well said. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #1
Welfare queens and their Cadillacs has long been a right wing lie, now they are claiming they go liberal N proud Apr 2015 #2
I don't think their anger is directed specifically at poor persons getting cruses. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #26
You had me worried for a half second. Brilliant. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #42
!!! Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #55
The real Welfare queens in Cadillacs, Califa Apr 2015 #43
Bingo! merrily Apr 2015 #49
By Welfare Office... NancyDL Apr 2015 #67
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A jump to conclusion may be this mother may be trying to provide her children food and we know Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #3
Believe you me, wendylaroux Apr 2015 #4
There's a definite disconnect in certain people's heads. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #5
THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I. Attacks on the poor receiving public assistance have increased appalachiablue Apr 2015 #6
Another thing to keep in mind on the "fancy car" angle. jeff47 Apr 2015 #7
Reminds me of this article. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #8
nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes taught_me_patience Apr 2015 #20
You know what's more expensive? A loan on a "cheap" car after jeff47 Apr 2015 #29
It all depends on the individual make and car. maddiemom Apr 2015 #36
Very, very true. I owned a Lexus for 19 years; it took us through thick and thin, never Nay Apr 2015 #65
I once went by a welfare office where a co-workers said they were all in late model cars happyslug Apr 2015 #56
If someone has a nice car and then loses their income IronLionZion Apr 2015 #91
I've been in category 3 Retrograde Apr 2015 #9
As far as I can determine, looking at their website snort Apr 2015 #10
The Facebook lady is a victim of a cruel misinformation campaign being waged by the Enthusiast Apr 2015 #11
Hell yes..... daleanime Apr 2015 #12
Because the world is full of self rightous assholes. blackspade Apr 2015 #13
For fear that one undeserving person might get aid, Republicans are willing to let millions starve. tclambert Apr 2015 #14
charity hibbing Apr 2015 #23
Exactly. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #30
Let me guess: you're NOT a Republican. maddiemom Apr 2015 #37
Double thumbs up to you! Agony Apr 2015 #61
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Some cities discourage panhandling IronLionZion Apr 2015 #90
The shaming is downright mean-spirited. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #15
And yet those 3 cents Thav Apr 2015 #33
I actually gasped when I read that renate Apr 2015 #41
There is no reason to read donations of children to the class. merrily Apr 2015 #51
That story brings tears to my eyes. What terrible terrible people. What would Jesus say? Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #44
Didn't Jesus say something about giving in secret... catrose Apr 2015 #89
The other, related one, is profession shaming. Helen Borg Apr 2015 #16
Around here cleaning jobs can pay $21.75/hr (SEIU) inanna Apr 2015 #60
or the do you want fries with that treestar Apr 2015 #71
You mean you don't want approved stores that sell plain clothes and cheap goods? nolabear Apr 2015 #17
The only assumption here seemed to be that the woman picking up the groceries was not poor at all. merrily Apr 2015 #18
But immediately jumping to that conclusion is just as wrong. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #19
Yes, immediately jumping to that conclusion is wrong, but it's not saying a thing about the poor. merrily Apr 2015 #25
It's one of those situations though where it's best to keep one's mouth shut. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #39
Yes. Leaping to conclusions is wrong and so is spreading them around. merrily Apr 2015 #47
Yeah it is gollygee Apr 2015 #46
My Reply 25 said jumping to the conclusion that someone is not poor (not in need) is wrong. merrily Apr 2015 #48
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Agree. ananda Apr 2015 #21
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I can sympathize because I am one... StarzGuy Apr 2015 #22
What did the FB poster say? ErikJ Apr 2015 #24
There is always shaming involved if you're poor Warpy Apr 2015 #27
Well said, Warpy. There by the grace of....etc Paper Roses Apr 2015 #40
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Our newspaper poll of the day KT2000 Apr 2015 #28
If someone is poor, and has a car as good or better than the one they drive, then it's possible that Amimnoch Apr 2015 #31
My (very wealthy) former mother-in-law insisted I go apply for food stamps tanyev Apr 2015 #32
As a complete aside.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #34
Ditto- I wish they would tell us how poor people are the problem, not the Koch Bros, etal NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #52
If this isn't the last word on poverty and wealth distribution (Comment on Ambrose copied fromWiki), Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #35
I retired from the department of human service about ten years ago and Stellar Apr 2015 #38
here's another one - handicapped dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #45
K&R McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #50
The forces that own the piano, the chairs, and the rights to the song... Orsino Apr 2015 #53
I feel the same way. People are always making excuses for their own miserable lives. Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #54
I've met poor whites that are CONVINCED there is a type of welfare only available to blacks. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #57
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #58
And, if you give a dollar directly to a person who needs it greymattermom Apr 2015 #59
Myths that really frost me because I have to debunk them again and again Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #62
There has been a deliberate campaign.... cynzke Apr 2015 #63
K & R GoneFishin Apr 2015 #64
From what I see on discussion boards, and, mind you, I know they're not the world... NancyDL Apr 2015 #66
Yep, you see it right here treestar Apr 2015 #70
"We need some ideas on how to bring people together." PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #74
Kicked&Recommended... butterfly77 Apr 2015 #68
Agree. The most pathetic thing about right wingers treestar Apr 2015 #69
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #72
There was a lady who went to my church murielm99 Apr 2015 #73
Without a big down payment, a friend couldn't finance a used car unless lexington filly Apr 2015 #75
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Plenty of people feel jealous that others are getting more than they deserve IronLionZion Apr 2015 #83
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This started with the Reagan administration in the 1980s, specifically to make us resent the poor DesertDiamond Apr 2015 #85
Personally, I Don't Care About People "Abusing the System" On the Road Apr 2015 #86
I care about people abusing the system Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #88
I saw this also posted on my Facebook page today and it makes a lot more sense to me. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #87
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