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Surya Gayatri

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83. Damn, with the snakepit that American education appears to have become,

Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:21 AM

Mar 2015

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you couldn't pay me enough to exercise my former profession in the US.

I marvel that US teachers can still summon up the courage to return to the battleground every single day. Respect.

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How to Kill a Profession [View all] madfloridian Mar 2015 OP

TIME and CNN once were not total tools of Wall Street and religious bias mixed with opinion. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #1

You are right. Seems there was a better time when they were not so biased. madfloridian Mar 2015 #2

no; we were just more trusting. but cnn *was* better, i think, in the turner era. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #121

TIME was founded by one of the most conservative men in US history, Henry Luce alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #9

Perhaps in that era dhol82 Mar 2015 #30

Henry Luce was a conservative maniac to rival Ted Cruz alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #61

Back in the 1960s, when I was in my mid-teens... KansDem Mar 2015 #104

Not to mention that other guy from WWII who was their Man of the Year KamaAina Mar 2015 #129

I remember "when" also. Duval Mar 2015 #39

Yes, once upon a time. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #59

time used to be (maybe still is, though it's increasingly irrelevant) a CIA outpost. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #119

Depends on the profession. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #3

Lawyers, realtors, doctors don't usually get slammed on covers of Time. madfloridian Mar 2015 #4

Just saying, Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #6

Could be. madfloridian Mar 2015 #7

You have a choice of your doctor, lawyer or realtor. Dream Girl Mar 2015 #8

Lame. salib Mar 2015 #16

Funny how it worked for many decades until the profiteers decided they wanted more. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #60

You meant to say "The rich have a choice of their". Fixed it for you. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #110

Lawyers and doctors get away TNNurse Mar 2015 #18

Ok, you do know there are lawyers and doctors in DU elias7 Mar 2015 #80

Certainly I did not mean all TNNurse Mar 2015 #82

Perhaps it is fair to say that all professions have their profiteers and exploiters elias7 Mar 2015 #111

They also hide their conflicts of interest so they can intentionally provide false legal advice Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #122

Trial Lawyers are used to justify more tort reform Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #54

Yep, Dustlawyer - likening lawyers to unions, even so - without either, we'd be in deeper doo doo raven mad Mar 2015 #56

+1! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #62

The term "lawyer" is much like the term "government" Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #124

Absolutely, Baitball - as are "cops"......... raven mad Mar 2015 #133

You know, I find these types of "naysaying" posts tiresome. chervilant Mar 2015 #45

Yes. "We owe our children a great deal more" madfloridian Mar 2015 #55

You remain one of my fave DUers, madfloridian chervilant Mar 2015 #89

Agree turbinetree Mar 2015 #88

Thank YOU, turbinetree! chervilant Mar 2015 #91

Because unless something glaringly egregious occurs, their crimes are covered up. You ND-Dem Mar 2015 #120

I have yet to meet onethatcares Mar 2015 #5

I've heard some mention the hours. Nice to have your summers off.nt Dream Girl Mar 2015 #11

Teachers work an AVERAGE of 53 hours per week riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #14

And yet, I've heard teachers say they like the summers off. Igel Mar 2015 #43

I'm sure. I guess I was irked by the recitation of a RW talking point riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #48

every profession has its slackers. The bbgrunt Mar 2015 #53

I've heard that, too. LWolf Mar 2015 #105

RW talking point #4? salib Mar 2015 #17

Sorry Thespian2 Mar 2015 #20

Here are the hours that I worked per week in an inner city school: 70. DebJ Mar 2015 #26

Your are wrong, and your observation is offensive. chervilant Mar 2015 #50

I'll take door B for $100.... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #123

So are you considering going into teaching? roody Mar 2015 #101

Good point! nt harbinger07 Mar 2015 #131

That's certainly how it's played out. LWolf Mar 2015 #10

"Bad teacher" is a talking point with no facts behind it. What are they defining as "bad"? DesertDiamond Mar 2015 #12

A teacher whose students don't have good enough standardized test scores. alp227 Mar 2015 #113

Here in Ohio maindawg Mar 2015 #13

Kasich is the single worst thing that ever happened to Ohio. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #63

Taft was the worst Gov we have had maindawg Mar 2015 #84

Yes, how could I forget Taft. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #85

"Democrat Party"? You sure you're on the right forum? nt alp227 Mar 2015 #114

"Democrat party"??? It's "Democratic Party". ND-Dem Mar 2015 #125

+1 n/t. bvf Mar 2015 #87

My wife is a teacher... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #15

"My hatred of conservative treachery runneth over." Me too. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #19

Yes, a propaganda campaign...exactly. madfloridian Mar 2015 #23

How awful that anyone would admire Rhee..speaking of rotten apples. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #21

I have a middle finger reflex SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #31

Recall Rhee in DC before I knew much about the buy-partisan corpo attack on teachers & schools. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #49

Yea, true. Her credentials are non existent...how she was ever in such a position of authority Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #51

Isn't she pretty much over, though? Turns out her much-touted reforms were a crock of ND-Dem Mar 2015 #126

I think you're right, but the damage continues and I am not sure they'll find Jefferson23 Mar 2015 #127

The profession that educates those they want to enslave. Octafish Mar 2015 #22

It's very bipartisan. No doubt about it. madfloridian Mar 2015 #40

Looking at the statistics martigras Mar 2015 #24

I'm sorry, but I can't let that statistic stand TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #28

Essentially that is a true statement... Sancho Mar 2015 #77

Don't confuse "fired" with "quit." Igel Mar 2015 #46

Long ago I learned not to spend any money HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #25

Kochs and their GOP minions have to kill EVERY union. valerief Mar 2015 #27

If Time wants to take any profession to task mountain grammy Mar 2015 #29

Outstanding suggestion! greatlaurel Mar 2015 #57

Precisely. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #66

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #65

Two words... Arne Duncan. n/t Fearless Mar 2015 #32

+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #34

Agreed. madfloridian Mar 2015 #41

He's just another part of the Third Way army. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #67

In the case of education he is THE part. Fearless Mar 2015 #71

You must be a fringe-leftist to even remember his name BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #98

I'm ok with that label. Fearless Mar 2015 #99

Me too BrotherIvan Mar 2015 #100

I'm waiting for the cover of "Rotten Apples: How to Fix America's Banks". appalachiablue Mar 2015 #33

Ha. You might be waiting a long time for that. madfloridian Mar 2015 #47

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #68

This should be shouted from the rooftops! raccoon Mar 2015 #117

The fix is in jopacaco Mar 2015 #35

+1 You nailed it. "fail by design" Enthusiast Mar 2015 #69

Is this all done online, or is some hard copy involved? roody Mar 2015 #102

Upvoting this thread because I think teachers are being shafted erronis Mar 2015 #36

Public School Teachers ROCK onethatcares Mar 2015 #37

blaming teachers as the problem in education hopemountain Mar 2015 #38

+1 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #118

I can't defend teachers unions, I was a victim of bad teachers myself AZ Progressive Mar 2015 #42

So you blame everyone for your personal experiences? Fearless Mar 2015 #52

"You can't blame anyone else other than the unions." Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #58

Teaching is like any other profession strategery blunder Mar 2015 #73

Yeah, those worker protections mucking it up for everyone kcr Mar 2015 #90

I was a victim of bad teachers too, but they were non-union teachers and nuns at a parochial school. smokey nj Mar 2015 #92

I was too, and I went to public schools in SC where unions were and are rare as a black swan. nt raccoon Mar 2015 #116

Were they unionized? Why didn't the administrators roody Mar 2015 #103

No interest The Jungle 1 Mar 2015 #44

Massive PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #70

The ugly truth- appalachiablue Mar 2015 #108

Professional Organizations (ALA, AMA) Protect Lawyers and Doctors daredtowork Mar 2015 #72

Going after teachers Not a Fan Mar 2015 #74

Bad politicians are the ones that should be fired. Initech Mar 2015 #75

See if you can spot the Cross in the poster for Waiting for Superman. (Hint: Look to the heavens.) blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #76

Gah! You should have posted a warning! Badass Liberal Mar 2015 #78

kick midnight Mar 2015 #79

K&R Pooka Fey Mar 2015 #81

Damn, with the snakepit that American education appears to have become, Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #83

I've heard several of my younger relatives blame the teacher when they don't do well. greymattermom Mar 2015 #86

It's a long con. Public funding for the public good is deeply DirkGently Mar 2015 #93

Trickle Up appalachiablue Mar 2015 #107

Privatization harbinger07 Mar 2015 #128

More Union Busting! imthevicar Mar 2015 #94

I would just like to call attention to Mike Pence- who deliberately subverted the will silvershadow Mar 2015 #95

Using Lakoff's notion of the "frame," notice how the Damansarajaya Mar 2015 #96

When I was in high school... Blanks Mar 2015 #97

Having taught high school for some 30 years... StarzGuy Mar 2015 #106

"Fewer than half of teachers now covered by unions" Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #112

Because we are exhausted. roody Mar 2015 #115

Nancy Atwell, who won the one million prize for global teacher azmom Mar 2015 #109

Auction it off for cheap to your buddies... Orsino Mar 2015 #130

Great post Madfl. Vattel Mar 2015 #132