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Fred Sanders

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79. Apparently Chancellor Merkel and President Hollande would be called the same. We have good company.

Mon Feb 9, 2015, 03:45 PM

Feb 2015

Not to mention the company of Obama today, clearly enough.

Oh, and all of the EU.

Only dyed in the wool Republicans seem upset with peace being given a chance and all the facts and history on the negotiating table.

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Robert Parry is a liar when it comes to Ukraine. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 OP

My fellow comrades remember William769 Feb 2015 #1

Carcetti is good at it. eh? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #3

Care to tell me where I'm lying? nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #10

For starters: ''Robert Parry is a liar when it comes to Ukraine.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #16

He continues to label what happened last year a "coup" when there was no coup. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #21

It wasn't a 'coup'; it was a 'putsch,' spearheaded by the shock troops of KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #99

A putsch is a type of coup. Specifically, one that uses violence in its execution. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #101

I have absolutely no idea what 'video' you're referring to. Frankly, your reference to KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #102

Sigh. It's actually posted here in this thread (Response 62), plus many, many times before. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #103

Here's where I'm confused Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #28

They released pictures of artillery in Russian territory firing into Ukraine. jeff47 Feb 2015 #41

link please Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #49

. jeff47 Feb 2015 #53

The 'GRAINY' photographs, Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #56

They're not going to release the highest resolution to the public jeff47 Feb 2015 #58

the world is not asking for the best Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #64

And if "tiny dots" were the reason it was rejected, that would be relevant. jeff47 Feb 2015 #65

+1,000,000! nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #44

redbaiting is so right wing. the "comrade" crap is tired, the cold war is over. m-lekktor Feb 2015 #6

Anyone who believes that "homophobic jackass" is a fool. Cha Feb 2015 #91

Yep, and Putin, former KGB officer, knows that better than anyone. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #71

His MH17 coverage was a sad joke Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #2

Why did the BBC remove this so quickly? polly7 Feb 2015 #4

+1000 Excellent find! nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #8

Probably because it wasn't verifiable information. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #9

Ahhh ........... so all those citizens were lying? polly7 Feb 2015 #13

You're talking about two random women. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #14

Watch the video. polly7 Feb 2015 #15

All definitive signs indicate it was shot down by a SAM and Parry's claims are bullocks. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #33

I trust the citizens living there who saw what they saw. polly7 Feb 2015 #36

They saw exactly what happened at 40,000 feet? jeff47 Feb 2015 #42

See the video. They were quite sure what they saw. polly7 Feb 2015 #46

I'm saying their eyes are not 6 feet apart. jeff47 Feb 2015 #54

Interesting. How come there is no final conclusion forthcoming from all the investigations? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #78

Yes, that's strange, isn't it? polly7 Feb 2015 #80

Puzzling, puzzling, puzzled. I am much puzzled and troubled by the failure of technology. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #81

The truth sometime is bitter OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #5

I was watching a live video feed of the events in Odessa as they happened. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #12

Then watch this OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #18

What happened in Odessa last May was tragic. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #24

The Genocide OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #30

Wow! Thanks. elias49 Feb 2015 #32

Parry completely ignores the fact that prior to the trade union fire and earlier that afternoon.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #35

Let's see where this press conference goes. elias49 Feb 2015 #43

Nice deflection. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #47

Whatever... elias49 Feb 2015 #50

I don't know. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #52

The video that Overseas Visitor Oilwellian Feb 2015 #69

I really can't comment much about any theories put forth by Storm Clouds Gathering. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #72

Serious problems OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #77

You didn't really answer my question Oilwellian Feb 2015 #84

I'm implying that for whatever reason, pro-Ukrainian protesters were shot at. That's undeniable. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #85

Hopefully enough wake up OverseaVisitor Feb 2015 #39

Now that's funny. : - ) nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #19

Care to elaborate, Polly? nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #22

Nope. polly7 Feb 2015 #23

You contribute so much to this website. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #25

Ohhhh, thank you. polly7 Feb 2015 #27

You mean we either believe everything or nothing? treestar Feb 2015 #20

Has the U.S. ever done coups before? That is the first question I would ask, is there dissentient Feb 2015 #7

But the facts clearly indicate there was no coup in Ukraine for the US to sponsor. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #11

Oh, there certainly was. polly7 Feb 2015 #17

What sort of coup is it when the leader takes 3 days to pack up his luxury items... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #26

I've answered you on this at least three times. polly7 Feb 2015 #29

Your mastery of the English language is extraordinary, Polly. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #31

Why thank you. polly7 Feb 2015 #34

Your opinion isn't definitive on things. Words have definitions for a reason. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #37

You can't claim people can't fucking see what's happened with their own polly7 Feb 2015 #40

And yet I can show you a video of a leader calmly packing non-essential luxury items... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #45

He was a lucky man, that he had time to leave the way he did. polly7 Feb 2015 #51

But your going against the "sudden" element of a coup. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #55

Sorry, had to go pull out a backhoe .... polly7 Feb 2015 #66

You certainly know how to beg a question, Polly. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #67

I don't beg anything, and hey ....... I have videos too! polly7 Feb 2015 #73

You're also quite skilled at cooking up red herring. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #87

show your video then. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #59

Certainly. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #62

Gee, seems like there are a lot of coups where the former head of state has time to get ND-Dem Feb 2015 #57

A big difference, IMHO. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #60

"with no real coordinated scheme to oust the leader" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #61

As to the specific method of ouster, that's a key distinguishing point. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #63

Have coups ever happened without US intervention before? jeff47 Feb 2015 #48

"The US has been responsible for coups before; NuclearDem Feb 2015 #68

O.M.G. 2banon Feb 2015 #38

DU rec for pissing off the Putin boot-lickers...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #70

DU unrec to SidDithers for his juvenile name-calling, ad nauseum. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #74

Apparently Chancellor Merkel and President Hollande would be called the same. We have good company. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #79

War, the world just needs more war! polly7 Feb 2015 #82

K&R uhnope Feb 2015 #75

A Chronology of the Ukrainian Coup polly7 Feb 2015 #76

That piece has glaring inaccuracies that render it completely bullshit. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #86

Parry and Cohen have done a disservice to the topic. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #83

No links? Folks really should have some idea of what you're referring to in snappyturtle Feb 2015 #88

Putting all three of those pieces together, Parry mentions the word "coup" 26 times. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author snappyturtle Feb 2015 #104

Many use the dreaded "c" word. snappyturtle Feb 2015 #105

Many people repeat the things they hear on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Does that make them right? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #106

We can argue forever about the 'correct' chronology. The fact remains that snappyturtle Feb 2015 #107

We can argue, but the facts are pretty settled, thanks to the video. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #108

Well, I guess Yanukovych read the lay of the land correctly. snappyturtle Feb 2015 #109

He made a calculated decision. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #113

I agree. nt snappyturtle Feb 2015 #114

Oh, and another thing from one of your links: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #90

Robert Parry is stuck on "coup".. must like that word. Does it get him a lot of clicks? Cha Feb 2015 #92

Well, if anything, I guess he's consistent. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #97

He's tapped into the anti-USA well.. he knows how well it plays and his fans don't seem Cha Feb 2015 #115

Smith Mundt Modernization Act Octafish Feb 2015 #112

K Cha Feb 2015 #93

I think there was a Nuland tape JonLP24 Feb 2015 #94

I do think the US has/had favored and disfavored players in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #96

The next guys in charge did the same thing and more for the Ukrainian revolution protestors JonLP24 Feb 2015 #98

I appreciate the well-stated response, but your timeline is way off. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #100

Kick...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #95

Robert Parry is a treasure, and he's been proven right so many times it scares polly7 Feb 2015 #110

How exactly has he been "proven right" about anything regarding Ukraine? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #118

You're the one who's so obsessed with stalking him and polly7 Feb 2015 #119

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #111

He did some excellent investigative journalism in the 1980s. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #116

Kick...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #117

kick Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #120