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In reply to the discussion: Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)81. "There is a Hart Research poll which shows a narrow 52% of Democrats" support fast-track for Obama.
My reference to a Pew poll showing 60% of Democrats supporting the TPP is suspect (because, in your opinion the Pew organization is a "corporate-sponsored, pro-globalization organization), while the poll you post shows 52% of Democrats supporting fast-track authority for Obama is more believable?
I don't see much difference. The Hart poll you referenced:
Republicans overwhelmingly oppose giving fast-track authority to the president (8% in favor, 87% opposed), as do independents (20%-66%), while a narrow majority (52%) of Democrats are in favor (35% opposed).
Even before having to defend a vote for fast track before general election voters, Republican candidates in contested primaries may find this a hard position to defend. Two-thirds (68%) of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for a Member of Congress who votes to give President Obama fast-track authority. Among the conservative Republicans who dominate many primary electorates, this figure is an extraordinary 74%.
Even before having to defend a vote for fast track before general election voters, Republican candidates in contested primaries may find this a hard position to defend. Two-thirds (68%) of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for a Member of Congress who votes to give President Obama fast-track authority. Among the conservative Republicans who dominate many primary electorates, this figure is an extraordinary 74%.
I posted a similar poll to your Hart poll, about 4 weeks ago.
While opposition is relatively uniform both geographically and demographically, the survey data reveals a sharp partisan divide on the issue. Republicans overwhelmingly oppose giving fast-track authority to the president (8% in favor, 87% opposed), as do independents (20%-66%), while a narrow majority (52%) of Democrats are in favor (35% opposed).
http://fasttrackpoll.info/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5928151
In this poll from the "corporate-sponsored pro-globalization" Pew organization showed a similar percentage (low 50's) of Democrats supporting fast-track compared to the 52% in your 'much more believable' Hart poll.
On the issue of trade agreements, divisions within the Republican Party are again apparent. Staunch Conservatives are strongly opposed to granting the president fast-track authority: 76% oppose, only 22% favor. Moderate Republicans and Populist Republicans also oppose this proposal; however, their opposition is more muted. Among Moderate Republicans, 53% oppose, 43% favor; among Populists, 57% oppose, 35% favor.
Democratic groups are more united on this issue. Roughly 50% of Liberals, Socially Conservative Democrats and Partisan Poor favor fast track. New Democrats are more likely than any other typology group to endorse the idea 61% favor.
http://www.people-press.org/1999/11/11/section-6-issues/
All the poll - yours, mine and others - show much more support for fast-track and the TPP itself from Democrats than from republicans.
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Who's telling the truth: Sanders/Warren, or Obama/Third Way/most Republicans*? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Jan 2015
OP
Well, keep in mind I'm one of those horrible third way corporatist pragmatic types
Recursion
Jan 2015
#9
That's why he's second to Schweitzer. We need a farmer in the White House again
Recursion
Jan 2015
#14
I'm not a big Feinstein fan, but Schweitzer apparently called her a prostitute according to
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#16
Obama either misrepresented his views during his campaign or he let millions of American
JDPriestly
Jan 2015
#17
I'd forgotten about that leak. Back then, I thought it was made up. bwa! I never forgot this though~
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#18
Some say it would be a disaster (including 'most republicans'), a big deal or, Krugman's view,
pampango
Jan 2015
#21
Your link title- "Only The Strongest Obama Supporters Want Him To Have Fast Track Authority"
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#22
Strange how they want to get it fait accompli before letting the rest of us know what it says.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jan 2015
#55
"Even rank-and-file Republicans have the good sense to know that yet another "free" trade agreement
pampango
Jan 2015
#35
It's a bi-bartisan revolt in favor of American workers, farmers, internet freedom, local govt rights
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#37
It's a "bipartisanship revolt" led by the republican base supported by a minority of Democrats.
pampango
Jan 2015
#42
Not acc to everything I've read. The prez is hoping the rethugs will help him out by passing this.
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#43
It is according to what I read and the polls. I suspect the TPP is going nowhere anyway.
pampango
Jan 2015
#45
Your beef is with the 60% of Democrats who support the TPP, not with the majority of republicans who
pampango
Jan 2015
#48
"There is a Hart Research poll which shows a narrow 52% of Democrats" support fast-track for Obama.
pampango
Jan 2015
#81
"in your opinion the Pew organization is a "corporate-sponsored, pro-globalization organization"
brentspeak
Jan 2015
#82
The Economic Policy Institute, after reading the draft, said if the TPP is agreed to, US will lose..
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#36
And I know to my core if Hillary gets the nom, we will have a Republican president in 2017.
RiverLover
Jan 2015
#41
How do you support a secret agreement? I find that impossible to do and why am I being
Jefferson23
Jan 2015
#63