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Sweeney

(505 posts)
17. No no no.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

When people are required to look at something they more easily see its flaws. I write, and some times very quickly. Electric typewriters were high tech when I was young, and I may have passed typing with a D-.. With word processing computers my speed has increased greatly, and with practice, my spelling as well. But even with your spell checker, I make mistakes, and I want people to hear what I say without looking too closely at how I say it. But Thank you. You are all decent and kind.

Try to understand it as the Greeks did, of the two forces which bind humanity. One is Ethos, that like Ethnic, binds a person to his own, his family, his tribe, his phratry, his city. And the other force is Pathos, which binds all people as human beings, that we feel in some real sense the suffering (or the joy) of others, and act in sympathy with them.

There is in the heart of every child the shock of seeing Jesus represented on the cross with his skin bloody and torn, and with a crown of thorns upon his head. And the child revolted asks: Who did this to this man? They never believe that it was you and I, and only later do they realize it is true. While some celebrate that fact, others see it with the deepest shame and pain. This is our crime. This is a stain upon our souls and a weight against our hearts.

Where is the man suffering pain and death who can complain: This is not my fate, and I do not deserve this. I have done enough in one life to deserve every rotten thing that will ever happen to me, but at least my guilt is my own. I do not have to share that guilt with anyone, and so my suffering, such as it is, is my justice. But that is enough, and no one should have to bear the guilt of others because they were allowed, organizationally, because the machine, -the relentless, heartless, automaton of bureaucracy worked its way through a moral loophole like a rat into a house of harvest.

Thanks...Sweeney

I think if Obama had been president when this started the majority would be angry. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #1
Maybe the next Congress will put out a report about torture before and after Bush. merrily Dec 2014 #26
Americans are for the most part good people. Sweeney Dec 2014 #2
Sweeney, that's a helluva post. Thank you for that. Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #3
Thank you for that back atcha Sweeney Dec 2014 #4
You really should turn this into an OP of its own. You link Michael Brown domestically KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #12
Sincerity Sweeney Dec 2014 #15
This post should be required reading... Whiskeytide Dec 2014 #14
No no no. Sweeney Dec 2014 #17
Generally? RobertEarl Dec 2014 #5
Plenty of people complained and demonstrated about nukes for decades. merrily Dec 2014 #27
I can give you the honest answer, but I don't think people will like it much. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #6
I don't know that it's a majority viewpoint, but it's a sizable group Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #7
I think you're right. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #18
I think you have to consider the generation that was aware of the torture during the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #24
The lesser of the evil tortures? merrily Dec 2014 #28
It is, of course, some of those who had direct experience with that, who put forth the most cogent Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #30
While probably most are focused elsewhere el_bryanto Dec 2014 #8
Americans by and large simply don't care. alarimer Dec 2014 #9
And there is a deep hatred of Middle Eastern Muslims Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #21
If it was just the Americans voters only, I would pick B Calm Dec 2014 #10
I thought the majority of Americans were more concerened with Kim & Kanye Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #20
That was last week. Huge snakes swallowing people has them terrified B Calm Dec 2014 #22
Yup. 99Forever Dec 2014 #11
Torture? What torture? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #13
I don't think anyone knows what to do with the information The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #16
You're right, they don't know what to do, and they can't see it from their house Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #19
A majority believe it is "often" or "sometimes" justifiable, according to Nate Silver Recursion Dec 2014 #23
Americans have apparently grown more supportive of torture over the last decade. stranger81 Dec 2014 #25
Yup. They timed the release of the report as well as they possibly could. merrily Dec 2014 #29
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