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tblue37

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38. About that waistband reach--if the cops were screaming at him to
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

"Drop the gun!," as they pulled up, the kid might have actually been trying to obey their forcefully shouted orders. It was all so sudden that attempting to obey might have been automatic.

Think of that young man shot when he reached in his car for his wallet when the cop ordered him to show ID. I bet that young man knows perfectly well how dangerous it is for a black man to make any sudden reaching moves in the presence of a cop, especially since, as witnesses all say, the idiot cop already had his gun out and pointed at the guy for a freaking seatbelt violation (!). But when the cop demanded ID while approaching aggressively with his gun at the ready, the man made a quick, apparently reflexive, move to comply, which the cop interpreted as reaching for a gun.

The cop even said the man reached into the car "aggressively." When cops are so sure that *every* black man is a crazed murder machine, they shoot at any movement. Since the kid was just a kid, and since cops were zooming up at him and probably screaming at him to drop the gun, he might have just been trying to do as he was being told to do.

I read about a study which indicated that when shown images of black children--especially boys--cops greatly overestimated the kids' ages, whereas they were quite good at guessing the age of white children. Civilians have also been shown to overestimate the age of black children's. The 911 caller wasn't sure the child was a child, though he did say he *might* be a "juvenile." But even calling him a juvenile suggests he thought he was a teenager, and black teens are as scary--maybe even scarier--to jumpy white people (especially cops) as black men are. Whites see a black teen and assume "gangbanger."

Time to send in Michael Moore to train police safeinOhio Nov 2014 #1
hilarious, and sad noiretextatique Nov 2014 #2
Unfortunately, the part near the end where Moore says tblue37 Nov 2014 #18
that is correct noiretextatique Nov 2014 #28
the easy to read chart.. hahaha RedCappedBandit Nov 2014 #39
no comments noiretextatique Nov 2014 #3
They're busy in another thread justifying the shooting of Tamir Rice. I'm sure they'll be by smokey nj Nov 2014 #5
one has shown up heaven05 Nov 2014 #6
yep...and his comment is only about the toy gun noiretextatique Nov 2014 #23
thanks...they are on to their next project noiretextatique Nov 2014 #7
They slept in late Spirochete Nov 2014 #9
i eagerly await them and their idiotic excuses noiretextatique Nov 2014 #16
Or this hughee99 Nov 2014 #4
i've seen that over a zillion times noiretextatique Nov 2014 #8
I can't believe a poorly trained, trigger-happy cop mistook this for a real gun. hughee99 Nov 2014 #11
and the kid was 12 year old! noiretextatique Nov 2014 #12
If he was any younger, they might have claimed they shot him for his OWN protection hughee99 Nov 2014 #13
i know, it is just so sad noiretextatique Nov 2014 #15
Are you serious? NickB79 Nov 2014 #17
I think that toys should not be allowed to be made to look like real guns. tblue37 Nov 2014 #19
Agreed. I hate those fake guns. NickB79 Nov 2014 #37
Perhaps you're right, maybe the way to handle this is to attempt to find out hughee99 Nov 2014 #20
Their reaction was way, way too fast. Less than 5 seconds??? n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #24
almost like it was the plan noiretextatique Nov 2014 #25
You left out one crucial point NickB79 Nov 2014 #36
here's a crucial point: Ohio is an open-carry state noiretextatique Nov 2014 #48
i find it very hard to believe noiretextatique Nov 2014 #21
i see you are focusing on the toy gun ONLY. noiretextatique Nov 2014 #22
I'm focused on the toy gun because it was brought up in this thread NickB79 Nov 2014 #35
About that waistband reach--if the cops were screaming at him to tblue37 Nov 2014 #38
they didn't even give him time to comply noiretextatique Nov 2014 #41
That's a good point. 12-yr olds don't always think the same as adults NickB79 Nov 2014 #43
he was 12 year old...they shot him in 5 seconds noiretextatique Nov 2014 #40
And 12-yr olds with guns have murdered people before NickB79 Nov 2014 #42
but this 12yo did not noiretextatique Nov 2014 #44
No, he didn't deserve to die NickB79 Nov 2014 #45
stop BLAMING the VICTIM: he was 12 years old! noiretextatique Nov 2014 #46
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #47
well, one solution would be to address the class war BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #50
Oh ok BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #56
I do fault them for killing him 2 seconds after roaring up in their car. n/t virtualobserver Nov 2014 #51
Lol BlindTiresias Nov 2014 #58
You're being facetious, right? jmowreader Nov 2014 #26
do YOU have any comment of the other items? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #27
Those definitely do not look like guns jmowreader Nov 2014 #31
OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE noiretextatique Nov 2014 #32
This one does because it really does jmowreader Nov 2014 #33
thank you for proving my point noiretextatique Nov 2014 #34
hmmm...i found out that Ohio is an open-carry state noiretextatique Nov 2014 #49
Exactly, about three months ago I saw a couple walking through the mall both with doc03 Nov 2014 #52
they might have been killed in les than 5 seconds noiretextatique Nov 2014 #53
Hey I am white and I have no doubt that at the very least doc03 Nov 2014 #55
I saw the video, the boy was walking around and nobody else was even near him. Why wouldn't doc03 Nov 2014 #54
that video is horrifying noiretextatique Nov 2014 #57
How did they know he was twelve? hughee99 Nov 2014 #60
What I was actually suggesting was, hughee99 Nov 2014 #59
Let's assume they couldnt tell, if it was a 12 year old white boy, would they have instantly shot NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #61
I don't think it had anything to do with hughee99 Nov 2014 #63
And the decision to shoot so quickly was in large part due to the skin color of the suspect NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #64
Based on experience, I think they would have jmowreader Nov 2014 #65
Reaching for your wallet, reaching for your license, and raising your hands are all acts of violence kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #10
YES noiretextatique Nov 2014 #14
i've asked the two DUers who posted about how real the toy gun looks noiretextatique Nov 2014 #29
And a rational person assumes in most cases, like the guy in the parking lot going for his wallet NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #62
update to add new items noiretextatique Nov 2014 #30
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