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Recursion

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36. Isn't he saying Putin has every incentive to go into Crimea, but no farther?
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:18 PM
Nov 2014

As I read him, Kissinger is saying "we can't ultimately stop him from taking Crimea; he doesn't want anything else; let him have it."

When Parry starts pimping Kissinger, I know he's gone completely insane Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #1
Do you also consider Hillary Clinton completely insane? starroute Nov 2014 #3
. nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #4
I think I have to disagree with Monty Python on one detail Electric Monk Nov 2014 #5
I'm addressing Parry's assertions here Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #6
Yes I do. Eridenus Nov 2014 #27
There you have it. Proof positive that Robert Parry has jumped the shark as a journalist. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #2
He's discussing an ISSUE raised by Kissinger eridani Nov 2014 #7
Those who have attempted to use Parry as a voice of authority on Ukraine.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #13
Let's have an example of Parry being factually wrong n/t eridani Nov 2014 #31
Hell, you don't have to go beyond the piece you just posted to find examples of that. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #32
It would never have happened without the fascist thugs eridani Nov 2014 #33
Yanukovych himself had no interest in waiting for elections. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #39
The violent parts of the Maidan protest were due to the fascist thugs. eridani Nov 2014 #50
Actually, Yanukovych was the first to use violence against the protesters. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #54
The violence that actually overthrew the government was perpetrated by fascist thugs eridani Nov 2014 #55
Again, the violence started with Yanukovych. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #56
The only Maidan protesters who were violent were the fascists eridani Nov 2014 #57
That's a rather broad statement, don't you think? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #58
Well said...issues and ideas... KoKo Nov 2014 #19
eridani - truth2power Nov 2014 #44
You can drop all the names you like, but if what they're saying doesn't jive with the actual facts.. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #45
You've already used that excuse, Tommy. Try again.. truth2power Nov 2014 #46
How's it an excuse? You're appealing to authority.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #47
I'm not doing your work for you... truth2power Nov 2014 #48
It's your conspiracy theory to prove. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #49
Agree, but it is funny that Parry, who always spoke in absolute morality terms, is for Realpolitik karynnj Nov 2014 #15
I don't know. His books on diplomacy are really good Recursion Nov 2014 #37
Kissinger is saying the strong state should get to dominate the weak one. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #8
All Middle Eastern countries that the US is bombing prefer that that not be the case eridani Nov 2014 #9
Iraq and Yemen would disagree with your assertion. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #10
Which is exactly the same as what US imperialist apologists think like eridani Nov 2014 #11
Chickenshit sir? Chickenshit? Xolodno Nov 2014 #34
Not quite: it sounds like Kissinger is saying that American officials misunderstood Putin Wella Nov 2014 #12
Putin had abundant opportunities to save face and geek tragedy Nov 2014 #26
We're not talking about reason: we're talking about diplomacy Wella Nov 2014 #30
A well stated under statement. Xolodno Nov 2014 #35
I think you're onto something. Wella Nov 2014 #38
A fascist principle and not surprising coming from someone like Kissinger. pampango Nov 2014 #21
As someone who grew up seeing stories of the atrocities in Bosnia and Rwanda... Odin2005 Nov 2014 #29
Kissinger's position (and by extension, Parry's) is completely non-sensical. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #14
Great summary karynnj Nov 2014 #16
I agree. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #17
Interesting conjecture that the President of Ukraine could have traded Crimea for sanctuary karynnj Nov 2014 #18
Isn't he saying Putin has every incentive to go into Crimea, but no farther? Recursion Nov 2014 #36
If that's his analysis, events in Eastern Ukraine would currently be proving him wrong. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #40
I never said the man was infallible, just smart (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #41
Definitely not stupid. Just amoral. nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #42
Right. That's why his book is worth reading Recursion Nov 2014 #43
He may be right about the Crimea hifiguy Nov 2014 #20
Actually, when you think that Kissinger starts to sound like the voice of reason, you should start pampango Nov 2014 #22
It was a lame attempt by Parry to explain away why Kissinger is adopting Parry's stances on Ukraine Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #23
Encyclopedic references to the term "Any port in a storm" should refer to this article. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #24
On a very meta level, it's very Realpolitik, wouldn't you agree? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #25
Yep. None of us should be surprised when Kissinger minimizes an unprovoked war of aggression stevenleser Nov 2014 #51
Mainly because Kissinger's saying what Parry had already said. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #53
Henry the War Criminal can kiss my Liberal Internationalist ass. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #28
well one war criminal knows well another war criminal rafeh1 Nov 2014 #52
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