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KingCharlemagne

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7. No worries. One can make an argument that without the Vietnam War, there

Fri Nov 7, 2014, 03:18 PM

Nov 2014

would have been no 'Watergate,' since the Plumbers were originally established to stop leaks from Nixon's NSC about his policies and plans in southeast Asia. Ellsberg makes this argument in, IIRC, his autobiography Secrets.

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Vote: What was the worst act of GOP Treason ever? [View all] True Blue Door Nov 2014 OP

I chose Watergate because Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. That set the precedent that the repukes muntrv Nov 2014 #1

I should have included the pardon of Nixon as an independent option. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #4

What made Ford's pardon of Nixon so insidious and craven is that Ford failed to pardon KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #9

I wasn't around then, but a lot of people sincerely disagreed with pardoning draft resisters. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #11

I was 15 in 1974, so only starting to become politically aware and active. But I remember KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #12

Ford might have been something admirable. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #28

Well far be it from me to speak in defense of the oft-maligned Ford. But I will give him this: KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #31

He papered over the Constitutional crisis only to erupt again later True Blue Door Nov 2014 #32

Without no 2000 coup, there would be no Iraq war Stargleamer Nov 2014 #2

I voted "Other" for Nixon's 1968 footsie with Thieu (via Claire Chennault) that KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #3

I voted for other before I saw your reply... catnhatnh Nov 2014 #5

Yeah, we stll haven't kicked the Vietnam Syndrome, George H.W. Bush's words to the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #8

Damn, I forgot about that one! True Blue Door Nov 2014 #6

No worries. One can make an argument that without the Vietnam War, there KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #7

I was going ask for this addition before reading your post! bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #16

Yes, Nixon's treasonous actions to keep the Vietnam War going. It killed hundreds of thousands. Stuart G Nov 2014 #24

The Iraq War had a lower body count, but its conspiracies were more egregious. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #29

Technical point: South Vietnam was not an 'allied sovereign state,' at least not by the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #33

Ah, okay. I am not as well versed in that period and place. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #34

This is a great thread that should go viral elsewhere besides here. What a KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #10

Other: Starting the DLC/Third Way, and infiltrating the Democratic party with it. Zorra Nov 2014 #13

I suspect that there is a basketball-sized grain of truth hifiguy Nov 2014 #21

The disturbing meta-question is why does a party hifiguy Nov 2014 #14

That, my friend, is one hell of a sad truth, eh? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17

Exactly. moondust Nov 2014 #22

To paraphrase Lord Acton hifiguy Nov 2014 #23

Reagan's inaction on AIDS while it became a massive global pandemic. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15

OMG, I've turned from rage to tears with just one short post by you. And now KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #18

No shit...And rightwing assholes want to name their new country after the prick randys1 Nov 2014 #27

It does make some sense to name it after Reagan. LiberalElite Nov 2014 #35

Emphasizing "Treason"-I think October Surprise Really Fits Definition Best Stallion Nov 2014 #19

You want just ONE????? Old Nick Nov 2014 #20

I went with the Business Plot. HubertHeaver Nov 2014 #25

It might not have been a better world. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #30

I said a different world. HubertHeaver Nov 2014 #37

When Reagan's handlers prevented the hostage takers from releasing the hostages randys1 Nov 2014 #26

The Y2K sElection. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #36

Voting for the Turtle. L0oniX Nov 2014 #38