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alcibiades_mystery

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95. Let them oppose it

Reply to librechik (Reply #92)

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 01:28 PM

Nov 2014

Make them oppose it.

Over and over and over again.

Then again. And next Friday, too.

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Got Millenials? Democrats Should Address the Student Loan Crisis Immediately [View all] alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 OP

It's obscene that higher education costs this much SHRED Nov 2014 #1

Nothing Will Happen. The GOP Probably Wants To Increase The Interest Rate. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 #2

Exactly! That's why the Democrats have to grab this issue and run with it. hedgehog Nov 2014 #58

Not only increase the interest rate Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #81

Yup thats how the game is played workinclasszero Nov 2014 #160

And this is why we are in trouble as will happen on everything with their Media. glinda Nov 2014 #161

Bravo! QC Nov 2014 #3

Doing so would alienate the bitter Boomers & Gen-Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #4

Boomers? Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #16

That's kind of my point. Orrex Nov 2014 #27

I'm a Boomer, and I have 2 children headed for college (and 1 headed back to college). deurbano Nov 2014 #63

thank you barbtries Nov 2014 #85

At least you got job skills training Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #153

Fortunately, I made no general claim about all Boomers or Gen Xers. Orrex Nov 2014 #90

Excuse me? I'm getting tired of one generation blaming another for - whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #178

sharing boomer aspirant Nov 2014 #24

The military doesn't need any more people Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #163

"Bitter Boomers?" Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #25

Well, if you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you, does it? Orrex Nov 2014 #28

Perhaps next time you can say something like, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #73

"Not All Boomers," in other words? Orrex Nov 2014 #88

Yeah, might be nice. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #150

This Gen-Xer is still paying off his student loan unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #29

That is exactly my view and my experience, alas. Orrex Nov 2014 #40

Bitter boomers? Where in the fuck did you get that concept? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #30

From bitter Boomers. If you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you. Orrex Nov 2014 #32

You say it as if it is a condition of boomers, being bitter. I assure you, it is not. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #39

If I say "I don't like crappy art," I'm not saying "All art is crappy and I don't like it." Orrex Nov 2014 #43

Yeah? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #55

Yeah. Orrex Nov 2014 #86

No. I do not "get the idea". This is your evidence that baby boomers as a group Enthusiast Nov 2014 #112

Why don't you just read what I wrote? Orrex Nov 2014 #114

Why have so many of us gotten the impression that you were condemning boomers? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #117

You have a thin skin becase you insist you're being attacked when you're not. Orrex Nov 2014 #118

So, several of us have reading comprehension problems, deurbano Nov 2014 #127

Spare me. Orrex Nov 2014 #130

Yes, it's all about all of us, not you. deurbano Nov 2014 #133

It's not about you at all, though you seem to want it to be. Orrex Nov 2014 #134

Might want to work on that. deurbano Nov 2014 #136

Please -- not all Boomers LiberalEsto Nov 2014 #33

Again, my statement applies only and specifically to BITTER Boomers & Gen Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #35

I am a Gen-Xer and I think tuition costs are rediculous. dilby Nov 2014 #44

Similar story here. Orrex Nov 2014 #47

As a boomer I was able to work part time and afford a tiny apartment Nay Nov 2014 #83

I know some boomers who are republicans redruddyred Nov 2014 #101

This is certainly possible, as I have a SIL who's a real asshole. I was just saying that Nay Nov 2014 #102

thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #105

Wrong GenX jeff47 Nov 2014 #87

yeah, but I think that all this is due to the general misconception redruddyred Nov 2014 #104

Take a look at what their responses are in this thread jeff47 Nov 2014 #108

Not "their" responses... deurbano Nov 2014 #139

a lot of my friends feel really turned off by the way redruddyred Nov 2014 #179

Well, I did get knocked up... didn't do many drugs... didn't commit crimes deurbano Nov 2014 #131

thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #174

Perhaps you are not around a lot of Gen-Xer's then. TM99 Nov 2014 #109

Boomers have kids in college. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #132

Gen-X is shockingly full of angry and bitter reactionary crybabies. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #147

I'm child free Gen-x and it sickens me how much debt burden is forced upon our youth. myrna minx Nov 2014 #172

I do not believe the government has the power to retroactively change the terms of a contract badtoworse Nov 2014 #5

The ability to discharge a loan in bankruptcy is a policy issue, not a contract issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #9

So the loan agreement is silent on bankruptcy? badtoworse Nov 2014 #11

It doesn't matter if it is or not alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #14

Thanks for the clarification badtoworse Nov 2014 #15

It's weird though, because in most bankruptcy settlements some liquidation of assets to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #54

If the banks don't want to make the loans, then they shouldn't alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #61

I agree with you 100% that the current system is rotten and needs to go. I was KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #67

Bankruptcy does not always satisfy creditors with asset liquidation alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #69

True. Often creditors must settle for the proverbial 'pennies on the dollar' in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #72

If you want a trillion dollars to be discharged you'll collapse the banking system. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #70

Yes, because if ordinary bankruptcy protection was available for student loans alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #76

OK, so how far would you like to see the door opened? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107

Also the federal and state governments need to increase funding to universities and we need liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #6

Nowhere? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #8

Pay for everything? Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #156

God I so hate posts like yours. Get involved upaloopa Nov 2014 #7

Yes, nobody ever advocated and passed specific economic policies that would directly benefit Boomers alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #10

12% voted 12 fucking percent ! upaloopa Nov 2014 #13

If they did all that, when would they have time to graduate summa cum laude? Time is a resource lonestarnot Nov 2014 #34

It takes a few minutes to fill out a ballot. It also takes upaloopa Nov 2014 #37

Yes, as a Boomer, I can attest most people sat on their (political) butts in the 60's. deurbano Nov 2014 #138

What gets to me is the idea of upaloopa Nov 2014 #142

I don't think the OP was saying that. deurbano Nov 2014 #149

Well none of those things they want are going to happen. upaloopa Nov 2014 #151

+1! glinda Nov 2014 #162

General amnesty nilesobek Nov 2014 #12

You make a good point! KansDem Nov 2014 #48

Just as 2/3 of voters was not to be found on Tuesday, this is the way it will be going until Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #17

Here's something President Obama can do TOMORROW, mostly through Executive Order alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #18

get private contractors out of it altogether. yurbud Nov 2014 #122

Like Biden did when he was a Senator? hobbit709 Nov 2014 #19

So, the answer for Millennials is to let more Republicans get elected by not voting? Dawgs Nov 2014 #20

From the OP alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #22

Thanks for ignoring the last part of my post. The part where I show that Democrats are trying. Dawgs Nov 2014 #23

No. You get people to vote for you by solving their problems jeff47 Nov 2014 #71

Yup alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #74

"We're repeating the same error with Millennials" Dawgs Nov 2014 #75

No, we're saying "Boy, that job market sucks" jeff47 Nov 2014 #80

So, how do they work on those problems when they're not in power? Dawgs Nov 2014 #82

History didn't start today jeff47 Nov 2014 #97

BS. Dawgs Nov 2014 #120

Empty promises don't boost turnout. And not even making promises does worse. jeff47 Nov 2014 #123

Why are here if you think all politicians suck? Dawgs Nov 2014 #124

Because this isn't a site about politicians. jeff47 Nov 2014 #125

I'm not yelling at you. (I'm a Boomer.) deurbano Nov 2014 #128

Income based repayment place should be enough for those in trouble aikoaiko Nov 2014 #21

I have an income based repayment plan and it is the maximum I can smirkymonkey Nov 2014 #159

If you allwo bankruptcy you may as well just make them grants Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #26

The risk you take when you loan money is that some people won't pay it back alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #64

Of course then you will have many people denied Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #65

As I said, the social outcomes this increased access was supposed to produce are not met alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #68

Dems tried to address the issue, but guess what??? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #31

That's a good way TBF Nov 2014 #51

What are you saying? Dawgs Nov 2014 #78

I'm saying blaming the voters TBF Nov 2014 #93

Failure does not attract votes. jeff47 Nov 2014 #77

Moreover, the "trying" was so tepid and half-assed that even success would get the side-eye alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #79

Oh well, you are the one who will suffer the consequences of having the GOP HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #143

I get the same consequences either way. jeff47 Nov 2014 #148

No you don't, but you will soon learn the difference between HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #164

Yes, I really do. jeff47 Nov 2014 #169

Why the profanity? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #170

Way to stereotype a whole generation... deurbano Nov 2014 #126

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #36

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #41

I'd love to see ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #45

Yup, these ProSense Nov 2014 #42

There ARE lessons that Democrats could learn from republicans ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #46

While I agree with your tactic, WHO is to blame for the involvement of Private Debt Collectors to adirondacker Nov 2014 #49

See my post #18 above alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #52

I think this is a great idea. myrna minx Nov 2014 #171

HAHAHAHA joshcryer Nov 2014 #38

That you consider this a laughing matter speaks volumes. adirondacker Nov 2014 #110

What's funny is the idea it could be addressed. joshcryer Nov 2014 #167

The Democrats are nowhere on this TBF Nov 2014 #50

I don't disagree with you: even the Warren legislation, trumpeted loudly above, is a half-measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #53

Bankruptcy restriction - TBF Nov 2014 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #56

Banks must write down their losses on student loans cap Nov 2014 #59

The Republican Congress and student loans: ProSense Nov 2014 #60

Luckily, the for-profit schemes are an enforcement issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #66

oh yeah the lack of decent online programs is really a huge issue. redruddyred Nov 2014 #96

tt = tenure track alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #103

oh yeah I had one of those guys yell at me in front of the entire class redruddyred Nov 2014 #106

Well alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #115

I sincerely hope that you manage to refrain from being an abusive jerk! redruddyred Nov 2014 #175

There will always be people willing to be adjuncts Vattel Nov 2014 #84

Agree in part alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #89

I doubt it, but you might be right. Vattel Nov 2014 #152

oh no university education has taken a real nosedive redruddyred Nov 2014 #180

I believe warren tried to pass a bill redruddyred Nov 2014 #91

That's for sure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #94

Of course, who in their right mind would oppose that? librechik Nov 2014 #92

Let them oppose it alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #95

it's like throwing them in the briar patch, Uncle Remus. They love it. librechik Nov 2014 #129

True. In order to do this, we must remove the Third Way cancer from the Democratic party. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #98

The sooner the better alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #99

Immediately? Last summer, or last year would have been the time. Orsino Nov 2014 #100

Oregon Democrats tried to address the student loan problem this year .. DreamGypsy Nov 2014 #111

I would be happy with quantitative easing interest rates for student loans 0.075% or something like yurbud Nov 2014 #113

The banks would get there if you could discharge alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #116

Ralph Nader just proposed the very same thing during an interview on bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #119

Al Franken ran on that this past election. geardaddy Nov 2014 #121

I was just about to post that. Thanks! MineralMan Nov 2014 #135

Franken's bill was like Warren's: refinance for older, higher interest loans...it's a half measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #137

I agree wholeheartedly. geardaddy Nov 2014 #140

yep! myrna minx Nov 2014 #173

We could start by stopping H-1B visas LittleBlue Nov 2014 #141

What were the Democrats doing on this before the republicans took over? Autumn Nov 2014 #144

Obviously it should have been addressed before now alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #145

That would piss off their Wall Street donors, it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #146

The bankers who own the government will never go for it Doctor_J Nov 2014 #154

Education is a right and should be free. libtodeath Nov 2014 #155

Depends on what you study Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #157

It is not other peoples money libtodeath Nov 2014 #158

Then divert the tax monies to libraries. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #181

No degree is useless dflprincess Nov 2014 #177

It's not that I'm concerned about earning 6 figures. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #182

Warren would do well on this issue JonLP24 Nov 2014 #165

we can no longer do much of anything but remind those younger folks SoCalDem Nov 2014 #166

The ACA was the best piece of legislation millennials will ever get, more than just the geek tragedy Nov 2014 #168

I agree, and these whinny threads from supposed millinials are really getting tiresome to me still_one Nov 2014 #176