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alcibiades_mystery

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Thu Nov 6, 2014, 10:25 AM Nov 2014

Got Millenials? Democrats Should Address the Student Loan Crisis Immediately [View all]

As a start.

You can't run around promoting college attendance when we have the loan numbers, the retention numbers, the years-to-graduation numbers, and the post-degree employment numbers that we currently have. Not only are you going to lose a key demographic (and that's just the electoral calculus), the actual policies are horrendous and destructive. Repealing any statute that restricts inclusion of student loan debt in a bankruptcy filing is an absolute priority. Increasing subsidies at the state and federal level is also crucial. The policies are feeding back into higher education as workplace as well, of course: the tightening of budgets due to lowered enrollments and subsidies is part and parcel of the adjunctification of higher education, which will in the medium to long run severely drain talent from American universities (at some point, people will simply stop working in these abusive conditions).

Of course, none of this will happen with GOP control of the Congress and state legislatures. But none of it was happening with Democrats either!

The Democrats are nowhere on this. Fucking NOWHERE. They need to put up a bill repealing the bankruptcy statutes on student loans EVERY SINGLE DAY. They need to be on teevee every single day trumpeting that bill and pointing to student loan debt as a drag on the economy, a drag on consumption, a drag on higher education itself, a drag on lifetime earning and incomes. People need to be able to discharge these loans if necessary, even if the government and the banks take a haircut. Here's the thing: most people WON'T. Most people do everything in their power to avoid a bankruptcy filing. But some people MUST.

And the Democrats are fucking NOWHERE on this.

Folks need to stop seeing non-voting as simple laziness or disengagement. It is often a very reasoned response to being totally ignored.

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It's obscene that higher education costs this much SHRED Nov 2014 #1
Nothing Will Happen. The GOP Probably Wants To Increase The Interest Rate. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2014 #2
Exactly! That's why the Democrats have to grab this issue and run with it. hedgehog Nov 2014 #58
Not only increase the interest rate Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #81
Yup thats how the game is played workinclasszero Nov 2014 #160
And this is why we are in trouble as will happen on everything with their Media. glinda Nov 2014 #161
Bravo! QC Nov 2014 #3
Doing so would alienate the bitter Boomers & Gen-Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #4
Boomers? Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #16
That's kind of my point. Orrex Nov 2014 #27
I'm a Boomer, and I have 2 children headed for college (and 1 headed back to college). deurbano Nov 2014 #63
thank you barbtries Nov 2014 #85
At least you got job skills training Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #153
Fortunately, I made no general claim about all Boomers or Gen Xers. Orrex Nov 2014 #90
Excuse me? I'm getting tired of one generation blaming another for - whatever. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2014 #178
sharing boomer aspirant Nov 2014 #24
The military doesn't need any more people Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #163
"Bitter Boomers?" Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #25
Well, if you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you, does it? Orrex Nov 2014 #28
Perhaps next time you can say something like, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #73
"Not All Boomers," in other words? Orrex Nov 2014 #88
Yeah, might be nice. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #150
This Gen-Xer is still paying off his student loan unrepentant progress Nov 2014 #29
That is exactly my view and my experience, alas. Orrex Nov 2014 #40
Bitter boomers? Where in the fuck did you get that concept? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #30
From bitter Boomers. If you're not bitter, then it doesn't apply to you. Orrex Nov 2014 #32
You say it as if it is a condition of boomers, being bitter. I assure you, it is not. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #39
If I say "I don't like crappy art," I'm not saying "All art is crappy and I don't like it." Orrex Nov 2014 #43
Yeah? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #55
Yeah. Orrex Nov 2014 #86
No. I do not "get the idea". This is your evidence that baby boomers as a group Enthusiast Nov 2014 #112
Why don't you just read what I wrote? Orrex Nov 2014 #114
Why have so many of us gotten the impression that you were condemning boomers? Enthusiast Nov 2014 #117
You have a thin skin becase you insist you're being attacked when you're not. Orrex Nov 2014 #118
So, several of us have reading comprehension problems, deurbano Nov 2014 #127
Spare me. Orrex Nov 2014 #130
Yes, it's all about all of us, not you. deurbano Nov 2014 #133
It's not about you at all, though you seem to want it to be. Orrex Nov 2014 #134
Might want to work on that. deurbano Nov 2014 #136
Please -- not all Boomers LiberalEsto Nov 2014 #33
Again, my statement applies only and specifically to BITTER Boomers & Gen Xers Orrex Nov 2014 #35
I am a Gen-Xer and I think tuition costs are rediculous. dilby Nov 2014 #44
Similar story here. Orrex Nov 2014 #47
As a boomer I was able to work part time and afford a tiny apartment Nay Nov 2014 #83
I know some boomers who are republicans redruddyred Nov 2014 #101
This is certainly possible, as I have a SIL who's a real asshole. I was just saying that Nay Nov 2014 #102
thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #105
Wrong GenX jeff47 Nov 2014 #87
yeah, but I think that all this is due to the general misconception redruddyred Nov 2014 #104
Take a look at what their responses are in this thread jeff47 Nov 2014 #108
Not "their" responses... deurbano Nov 2014 #139
a lot of my friends feel really turned off by the way redruddyred Nov 2014 #179
Well, I did get knocked up... didn't do many drugs... didn't commit crimes deurbano Nov 2014 #131
thanks redruddyred Nov 2014 #174
Perhaps you are not around a lot of Gen-Xer's then. TM99 Nov 2014 #109
Boomers have kids in college. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #132
Gen-X is shockingly full of angry and bitter reactionary crybabies. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #147
I'm child free Gen-x and it sickens me how much debt burden is forced upon our youth. myrna minx Nov 2014 #172
I do not believe the government has the power to retroactively change the terms of a contract badtoworse Nov 2014 #5
The ability to discharge a loan in bankruptcy is a policy issue, not a contract issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #9
So the loan agreement is silent on bankruptcy? badtoworse Nov 2014 #11
It doesn't matter if it is or not alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #14
Thanks for the clarification badtoworse Nov 2014 #15
It's weird though, because in most bankruptcy settlements some liquidation of assets to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #54
If the banks don't want to make the loans, then they shouldn't alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #61
I agree with you 100% that the current system is rotten and needs to go. I was KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #67
Bankruptcy does not always satisfy creditors with asset liquidation alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #69
True. Often creditors must settle for the proverbial 'pennies on the dollar' in KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #72
If you want a trillion dollars to be discharged you'll collapse the banking system. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #70
Yes, because if ordinary bankruptcy protection was available for student loans alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #76
OK, so how far would you like to see the door opened? Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #107
Also the federal and state governments need to increase funding to universities and we need liberal_at_heart Nov 2014 #6
Nowhere? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #8
Pay for everything? Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #156
God I so hate posts like yours. Get involved upaloopa Nov 2014 #7
Yes, nobody ever advocated and passed specific economic policies that would directly benefit Boomers alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #10
12% voted 12 fucking percent ! upaloopa Nov 2014 #13
If they did all that, when would they have time to graduate summa cum laude? Time is a resource lonestarnot Nov 2014 #34
It takes a few minutes to fill out a ballot. It also takes upaloopa Nov 2014 #37
Yes, as a Boomer, I can attest most people sat on their (political) butts in the 60's. deurbano Nov 2014 #138
What gets to me is the idea of upaloopa Nov 2014 #142
I don't think the OP was saying that. deurbano Nov 2014 #149
Well none of those things they want are going to happen. upaloopa Nov 2014 #151
+1! glinda Nov 2014 #162
General amnesty nilesobek Nov 2014 #12
You make a good point! KansDem Nov 2014 #48
Just as 2/3 of voters was not to be found on Tuesday, this is the way it will be going until Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #17
Here's something President Obama can do TOMORROW, mostly through Executive Order alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #18
get private contractors out of it altogether. yurbud Nov 2014 #122
Like Biden did when he was a Senator? hobbit709 Nov 2014 #19
So, the answer for Millennials is to let more Republicans get elected by not voting? Dawgs Nov 2014 #20
From the OP alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #22
Thanks for ignoring the last part of my post. The part where I show that Democrats are trying. Dawgs Nov 2014 #23
No. You get people to vote for you by solving their problems jeff47 Nov 2014 #71
Yup alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #74
"We're repeating the same error with Millennials" Dawgs Nov 2014 #75
No, we're saying "Boy, that job market sucks" jeff47 Nov 2014 #80
So, how do they work on those problems when they're not in power? Dawgs Nov 2014 #82
History didn't start today jeff47 Nov 2014 #97
BS. Dawgs Nov 2014 #120
Empty promises don't boost turnout. And not even making promises does worse. jeff47 Nov 2014 #123
Why are here if you think all politicians suck? Dawgs Nov 2014 #124
Because this isn't a site about politicians. jeff47 Nov 2014 #125
I'm not yelling at you. (I'm a Boomer.) deurbano Nov 2014 #128
Income based repayment place should be enough for those in trouble aikoaiko Nov 2014 #21
I have an income based repayment plan and it is the maximum I can smirkymonkey Nov 2014 #159
If you allwo bankruptcy you may as well just make them grants Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #26
The risk you take when you loan money is that some people won't pay it back alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #64
Of course then you will have many people denied Lee-Lee Nov 2014 #65
As I said, the social outcomes this increased access was supposed to produce are not met alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #68
Dems tried to address the issue, but guess what??? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #31
That's a good way TBF Nov 2014 #51
What are you saying? Dawgs Nov 2014 #78
I'm saying blaming the voters TBF Nov 2014 #93
Failure does not attract votes. jeff47 Nov 2014 #77
Moreover, the "trying" was so tepid and half-assed that even success would get the side-eye alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #79
Oh well, you are the one who will suffer the consequences of having the GOP HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #143
I get the same consequences either way. jeff47 Nov 2014 #148
No you don't, but you will soon learn the difference between HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #164
Yes, I really do. jeff47 Nov 2014 #169
Why the profanity? HoosierRadical Nov 2014 #170
Way to stereotype a whole generation... deurbano Nov 2014 #126
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #36
Agreed alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #41
I'd love to see ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #45
Yup, these ProSense Nov 2014 #42
There ARE lessons that Democrats could learn from republicans ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #46
While I agree with your tactic, WHO is to blame for the involvement of Private Debt Collectors to adirondacker Nov 2014 #49
See my post #18 above alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #52
I think this is a great idea. myrna minx Nov 2014 #171
HAHAHAHA joshcryer Nov 2014 #38
That you consider this a laughing matter speaks volumes. adirondacker Nov 2014 #110
What's funny is the idea it could be addressed. joshcryer Nov 2014 #167
The Democrats are nowhere on this TBF Nov 2014 #50
I don't disagree with you: even the Warren legislation, trumpeted loudly above, is a half-measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #53
Bankruptcy restriction - TBF Nov 2014 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #56
Banks must write down their losses on student loans cap Nov 2014 #59
The Republican Congress and student loans: ProSense Nov 2014 #60
Luckily, the for-profit schemes are an enforcement issue alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #66
oh yeah the lack of decent online programs is really a huge issue. redruddyred Nov 2014 #96
tt = tenure track alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #103
oh yeah I had one of those guys yell at me in front of the entire class redruddyred Nov 2014 #106
Well alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #115
I sincerely hope that you manage to refrain from being an abusive jerk! redruddyred Nov 2014 #175
There will always be people willing to be adjuncts Vattel Nov 2014 #84
Agree in part alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #89
I doubt it, but you might be right. Vattel Nov 2014 #152
oh no university education has taken a real nosedive redruddyred Nov 2014 #180
I believe warren tried to pass a bill redruddyred Nov 2014 #91
That's for sure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #94
Of course, who in their right mind would oppose that? librechik Nov 2014 #92
Let them oppose it alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #95
it's like throwing them in the briar patch, Uncle Remus. They love it. librechik Nov 2014 #129
True. In order to do this, we must remove the Third Way cancer from the Democratic party. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #98
The sooner the better alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #99
Immediately? Last summer, or last year would have been the time. Orsino Nov 2014 #100
Oregon Democrats tried to address the student loan problem this year .. DreamGypsy Nov 2014 #111
I would be happy with quantitative easing interest rates for student loans 0.075% or something like yurbud Nov 2014 #113
The banks would get there if you could discharge alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #116
Ralph Nader just proposed the very same thing during an interview on bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #119
Al Franken ran on that this past election. geardaddy Nov 2014 #121
I was just about to post that. Thanks! MineralMan Nov 2014 #135
Franken's bill was like Warren's: refinance for older, higher interest loans...it's a half measure alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #137
I agree wholeheartedly. geardaddy Nov 2014 #140
yep! myrna minx Nov 2014 #173
We could start by stopping H-1B visas LittleBlue Nov 2014 #141
What were the Democrats doing on this before the republicans took over? Autumn Nov 2014 #144
Obviously it should have been addressed before now alcibiades_mystery Nov 2014 #145
That would piss off their Wall Street donors, it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #146
The bankers who own the government will never go for it Doctor_J Nov 2014 #154
Education is a right and should be free. libtodeath Nov 2014 #155
Depends on what you study Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #157
It is not other peoples money libtodeath Nov 2014 #158
Then divert the tax monies to libraries. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #181
No degree is useless dflprincess Nov 2014 #177
It's not that I'm concerned about earning 6 figures. Ampersand Unicode Nov 2014 #182
Warren would do well on this issue JonLP24 Nov 2014 #165
we can no longer do much of anything but remind those younger folks SoCalDem Nov 2014 #166
The ACA was the best piece of legislation millennials will ever get, more than just the geek tragedy Nov 2014 #168
I agree, and these whinny threads from supposed millinials are really getting tiresome to me still_one Nov 2014 #176
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