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It's frightening how easy it is to build support for war [View all] cali Sep 2014 OP

DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #1

oh, we'll get it right this time, because obama! KG Sep 2014 #2

Even on DU, it is much harder to oppose a war than to support it. redgreenandblue Sep 2014 #3

B-I-N-G-O! mazzarro Sep 2014 #78

Politicians in our country are rewarded in Nov.. busterbrown Sep 2014 #144

Did you miss the fact that Maliki has been replaced geek tragedy Sep 2014 #4

No. I did not miss that. Did I miss that a new stable government has been formed. No cali Sep 2014 #7

Reality is that symptoms must be treated geek tragedy Sep 2014 #10

Perhaps. Perhaps it is isolationism, but I'm not against engaging in other ways cali Sep 2014 #14

There is middle ground between ground troops geek tragedy Sep 2014 #24

And what about funding and training those so-called "moderate" groups in Syria? cali Sep 2014 #35

I will wait for evidence of US arming of the FSA geek tragedy Sep 2014 #42

Here, have some evidence. cali Sep 2014 #46

Giant grain of salt: story has a single source: geek tragedy Sep 2014 #47

lol. yeah. that source being the chief of staff. cali Sep 2014 #49

the embittered, marginalized chief of staff. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #54

It doesn’t seem that “ISIS” took over any towns inside Kurdistan proper. The Kurds, on the other Chathamization Sep 2014 #73

When the Kurds conduct campaigns geek tragedy Sep 2014 #115

If we sanction expansionist Kurdish ambitions we shouldn’t be terribly surprised if Sunni Arabs Chathamization Sep 2014 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #76

If more isolationism means less war, I'm all for it. lark Sep 2014 #90

"Without the support of the neighbors" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #116

Where are their troops? lark Sep 2014 #201

First I think it's audacious for anyone to claim they know "reality". rhett o rick Sep 2014 #113

Do you know anything about the new premier? lark Sep 2014 #86

His deputy PMs are a Kurd and a Sunni nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #114

Most of his cabinet are just reshuffled people from Maliki's. cali Sep 2014 #120

So were Maliki’s when he started Chathamization Sep 2014 #124

Everyone knows the long-term solution must be geek tragedy Sep 2014 #127

That sounds positive. lark Sep 2014 #200

honestly, we don't know because that story is still being written geek tragedy Sep 2014 #202

Yes they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. Now Maliki is a vice president. totodeinhere Sep 2014 #145

No. Before Maliki was Chalabi. We got him out. It still sucked. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #164

Keep people poor to supply a ready source of cannon fodder. Downwinder Sep 2014 #5

There wont be any cannon fodder. No ground troops. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #28

Cool! Just as long as no Americans are killed, everything will be fine! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #37

That is your strawman. I said no such thing. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #40

Yep; if half of the civilians killed from the bombs were random Americans, you can bet the support Chathamization Sep 2014 #80

Especially when we have leaders who say "We don't do body counts." RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #89

Planes and drones are pretty good at killing folks too. lark Sep 2014 #92

so will Syrians. this is not going to be pretty. cali Sep 2014 #94

It will be so sad and ugly. lark Sep 2014 #98

Yes, but as long as we stay focused on the truly important stuff, everything will be fine. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #100

So sad that the MIC is in charge of this country. lark Sep 2014 #199

The Iraqis that you seem to be concerned about want our help. It's not a circular firing zone. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #112

The Shiites & Kurds want us there, lark Sep 2014 #198

So says Obama so far. Three things: morningfog Sep 2014 #129

The crusades lasted for 200 years and accomplished little. Downwinder Sep 2014 #161

It's also too easy to call it something besides war. phantom power Sep 2014 #6

Offense is ...defense. L0oniX Sep 2014 #17

I'll also make a prediction. They'll have to raid Soc Sec Retirement and Disability to pay for factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #8

!! leftstreet Sep 2014 #21

#1 priority...sacrifice...unprecedented challenge... n/t factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #36

Yep, in the name of national security. Forget COLA ... RKP5637 Sep 2014 #58

They do that they'll have a bigger fight than ISIS on their ballyhoo Sep 2014 #88

They can't throw the frog into boiling water, but they can find other ways. n/t factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #104

Yeah, it'll be "every one's gonna have to sacrifice so we can ballyhoo Sep 2014 #133

Apparently, there's too many people lacking even "2 brain cells" in this country 2banon Sep 2014 #111

It is insanity. Ten thousand freaks cultivated by the neoncons, given weapons ballyhoo Sep 2014 #131

It's almost as if it were being executed for that purpose.. 2banon Sep 2014 #134

I think that is actually the case. I have thought so since we armed ISIS ballyhoo Sep 2014 #135

I have noticed, and wondered. The Shock Doctrine is in full on gear. 2banon Sep 2014 #149

Exactly. And this military stuff being used by the police forces ballyhoo Sep 2014 #152

He didn't mention that tonight... ReRe Sep 2014 #168

#1 priority is securty... factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #173

Yeah but... ReRe Sep 2014 #174

The neocons and their media allies have left this administration no choice. conservaphobe Sep 2014 #9

Look, I have a great deal of sympathy for the President in this mess. cali Sep 2014 #15

ISIS has plenty of funding for the near future after looting all the banks in several cities. stevenleser Sep 2014 #29

Where are they keeping all this money? BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #96

I think they are keeping it on them. But that is only a guess. stevenleser Sep 2014 #106

Joe Biden : "We will follow you (ISIS) to the gates of hell!!!" bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #22

After days of relentless media criticism saying "The WH has no strategy" conservaphobe Sep 2014 #26

Good to know the leaders of the free world are slaves to media ratings Scootaloo Sep 2014 #105

Of course blame him. Why do we expect dems to morningfog Sep 2014 #130

REC MORNINGFOG's POST! merrily Sep 2014 #181

Don't blame the most powerful man in the world? Blame his critics? merrily Sep 2014 #178

And Dick Cheney will use his pass key. merrily Sep 2014 #177

no choice? so the media can just make up shit, and the president has to go along now J_J_ Sep 2014 #139

Awesome leadership! GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #189

Yes it is. It is even more frightening how the so-called "terrorists" can manipulate US citizens kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #11

Agreed, the American media and the Republicans are very frightening. nt tridim Sep 2014 #13

+1000 nt freebrew Sep 2014 #20

And what have Democrats done? Gone along like they did in prelude to the Iraqi war! - n/t mazzarro Sep 2014 #101

Not being terrorists like the American media and the Republicans. nt tridim Sep 2014 #109

IOW, no meaningful, fact-based response to mazzaro's question. merrily Sep 2014 #182

Are you here to trash the Democrats too? nt tridim Sep 2014 #192

Still no response. merrily Sep 2014 #204

We always take the bait phil89 Sep 2014 #65

Fool me once. By George, you CAN fool me again. merrily Sep 2014 #183

It will probably drive up the price of oil too. arcane1 Sep 2014 #81

Propaganda has been perfected over the last century Corruption Inc Sep 2014 #12

I think most people can be persuaded of just about anything. cali Sep 2014 #16

I agree deutsey Sep 2014 #18

K & R for Adam Curtis, who made "The Century of the Self" RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #41

Both of them are must-sees arcane1 Sep 2014 #82

Unfortunately it's my opinion that much more than 1/3 are non-thinking Americans. stillwaiting Sep 2014 #107

The "moderate rebels" SOLD Steven Sotloff to ISIS, and have also bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #19

This war was doomed from the start! The start being 1990 mrdmk Sep 2014 #25

Oh, long before that Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #74

True, this goes back to the policies of imperialism and colonialism mrdmk Sep 2014 #91

I think the obvious answer to that is no. cali Sep 2014 #93

Eh, we didn’t really put the Shah in power. He was already in power and we got involved with him Chathamization Sep 2014 #136

In declassified document, CIA acknowledges role in '53 Iran coup Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #143

Like I said, "He was already in power and we got involved with him in a plan where he’d dismiss and Chathamization Sep 2014 #147

We help them with one hand CJCRANE Sep 2014 #33

so true. cali Sep 2014 #38

All too true, and pick our own pockets to do so. suffragette Sep 2014 #172

Yep... WillyT Sep 2014 #51

And those who knew this would happen were called clueless. chrisa Sep 2014 #75

It's not incompetence, it's the Plan All Along. arcane1 Sep 2014 #85

+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #206

And racists Doctor_J Sep 2014 #158

Now we have an all volunteer army... freebrew Sep 2014 #23

A Marine speaks OldRedneck Sep 2014 #27

We could just censor the news, Progressive dog Sep 2014 #30

American manufacturers armed ISIS Oilwellian Sep 2014 #31

^ This. We created Osama bin Laden as well - TBF Sep 2014 #39

and now ISIS will be the reason we stay in Iraq and topple Assad KurtNYC Sep 2014 #45

That was an amazing and rare moment of truth Oilwellian Sep 2014 #84

Like cali, "I'm not opposed to engaging in other ways". Further ... Scuba Sep 2014 #32

Perhaps Jimmy Carter could have been considered a peacetime president? factsarenotfair Sep 2014 #59

Frightening because most Americans... Bigmack Sep 2014 #34

Yep, just like the famous Goering quote says. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #43

Yeah, you just need an uneducated and unemployed populace and complete control of the media. valerief Sep 2014 #44

Well since we are co-ordinating with several countries including Iran I don't think your assessment still_one Sep 2014 #48

how does coordinating with other countries ensure success. cali Sep 2014 #52

we supply air support, they supply the manpower. ISIS is a real threat to Iran and Iraq where the still_one Sep 2014 #60

who supplies the man power? cali Sep 2014 #66

why don't you just wait and hear what he talks about still_one Sep 2014 #67

Uh, you're the one that just laid out "the plan"- without following your own advice. how amusing. cali Sep 2014 #68

I was speculating on your speculating, and realized that it is all meaningless until we hear what he still_one Sep 2014 #72

no, it's not meaningless. Enough has been leaked that we know, roughly, what he plans to do. cali Sep 2014 #77

Remember the Bushies who insisted Bush "knows something we don't", and so criticizing Marr Sep 2014 #110

I agree, with only one small caveat -- it has taken over a year to sell this one KurtNYC Sep 2014 #50

I fear you are right. And that really is frightening. cali Sep 2014 #61

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #53

I Loves Me Some War! TheSarcastinator Sep 2014 #55

We will not be able to train an effective army in Iraq DJ13 Sep 2014 #56

Can't make Sunnis loyal to a Shiite government they hate. And stocking the Iraqi TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #119

Another prediction: none of drum war beaters will have their children on the front lines kairos12 Sep 2014 #57

and there will not be U.S. troops on the ground either. Another prediction from DU how Obama is still_one Sep 2014 #63

I don't believe that Obama will send troops back to Iraq- beyond advisors cali Sep 2014 #64

Quagmire. JEB Sep 2014 #79

Then I guess we agree still_one Sep 2014 #150

There are already a 1000 there. But believe what you will. GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #138

The Saudis are well armed thanks to us. Let them handle this one. JEB Sep 2014 #62

It is the Saudis that bankrolled IS until they became self sufficient Dragonfli Sep 2014 #132

You're either with us or against us. chrisa Sep 2014 #69

No more wars. Jakes Progress Sep 2014 #70

And ten years from now (and another trillion dollars) Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #71

Small petty males and their stupid juvenile war. They are neither men nor human. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #83

They are sadly all too human. arcane1 Sep 2014 #97

K & R SoapBox Sep 2014 #87

Why, of course, the people don't want war... NeoGreen Sep 2014 #95

What Göring said was exactly what happened to my father-in-law DFW Sep 2014 #125

I think I'll tack this on here for the folks that are all "but there will be no ground troops": cali Sep 2014 #99

anybody can pull a trigger. the_sly_pig Sep 2014 #102

Yes. Violence represents a profound failure of intelligence and creativity RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #117

This^ eom littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #186

All you working stiffs get ready JEB Sep 2014 #103

And I bet that Obama will not demand sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #108

It makes no sense to me why ISIS would risk provoking us into war by those ladjf Sep 2014 #118

They wanted to draw us into another quagmire. They can use the involvement of the big totodeinhere Sep 2014 #153

That makes some sense. But, before we leave, a lot of those criminal bastards are going to be dead. ladjf Sep 2014 #154

Fanatics like that consider dying for their cause an honor. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2014 #155

While they can always con some idiot into "dying for the cause", I believe that their rank and ladjf Sep 2014 #208

It frightens me how easy it is to create/form public opinion about anything n/t Nevada Blue Sep 2014 #121

Well BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #123

Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, start bombing, send troops, and talk about peace. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #126

We have long been trained to be afraid. morningfog Sep 2014 #128

Manufactured Consent? How do we know there is support? Media Polls? J_J_ Sep 2014 #137

"..it's hardly the only place in the world where brutal groups are operating and wreaking havoc.." blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #140

It's easy when all you need do is build that support in the corporate media. NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #141

The timeless explanation for war hifiguy Sep 2014 #142

I was actually in Iraq training the Iraqi Police. Quackers Sep 2014 #146

What's your assesment? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #165

Kicked and recommended! More war will not fix Iraq. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #148

We are the problem, not the solution. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #166

And Another... WillyT Sep 2014 #151

That's what happens when you don't have the photos of coffins to remind you of the Baitball Blogger Sep 2014 #156

it's simple math, take the number of innocent kids and adults killed, multiply that by 10 and whereisjustice Sep 2014 #157

The decision was made sulphurdunn Sep 2014 #159

Isn't wondering whether "they actually exist" pouring it on a little thick? cheapdate Sep 2014 #160

I was quite clear: organized moderate opposition in Syria cali Sep 2014 #163

My mistake. cheapdate Sep 2014 #194

Vous parlez français? OKDem08 Sep 2014 #162

Parle "price for not delivering Mistral class ships to the Russians." n/t amandabeech Sep 2014 #170

The surge in support is a visceral reaction to the beheadings. It freaks people out. nt Stardust Sep 2014 #167

We've been fed this shit so many times JEB Sep 2014 #169

So a full on drone war is expensive? No aftercare, just the ammo. lonestarnot Sep 2014 #171

first of all, it's not just drones. secondly, we are arming and training cali Sep 2014 #179

Then there is the training and weapons supplied that will no doubt be used against us at some future lonestarnot Sep 2014 #197

No, fuck "yes, but." joshcryer Sep 2014 #175

oh for the love of reason. I have already provided PROOF that the U.S. is arming groups in Syria cali Sep 2014 #180

I am openly for eradicating evil. joshcryer Sep 2014 #188

so then you openly support military action against boko haram? how about North Korea? cali Sep 2014 #193

The Sultan of Brunei is evil, too, but we negotiated TPP with him. merrily Sep 2014 #184

Yes, "easy," when both of the nation's largest political parties and the nation's mass media merrily Sep 2014 #176

I stopped watching, last night, when I heard "We will be joined by a broad coalition.....", because djean111 Sep 2014 #185

Thanks for your post, cali. littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #187

+1 GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #190

Yes it is. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #191

Just now Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #195

Will the Islamic countries actually oppose ISIS? olegramps Sep 2014 #196

The amount of blind jingoism Feral Child Sep 2014 #203

kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #205

Endless war renders the consumer obsolete. JEB Sep 2014 #207