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MH1

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27. I heartily agree with the conclusion but suspect 31 is understated.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:59 AM
Aug 2014

But that said, following the buried link to the actual study, my suspicion is fairly well addressed. The "31" number refers ONLY to that certain type of voter fraud that would be addressed by voter id laws - NOT the more effective types of fraud where multiple fraudulent ballots could be cast.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Election fraud happens. But ID laws are not aimed at the fraud you’ll actually hear about. Most current ID laws (Wisconsin is a rare exception) aren’t designed to stop fraud with absentee ballots (indeed, laws requiring ID at the polls push more people into the absentee system, where there are plenty of real dangers). Or vote buying. Or coercion. Or fake registration forms. Or voting from the wrong address. Or ballot box stuffing by officials in on the scam. In the 243-page document that Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel filed on Monday with evidence of allegedly illegal votes in the Mississippi Republican primary, there were no allegations of the kind of fraud that ID can stop.

Instead, requirements to show ID at the polls are designed for pretty much one thing: people showing up at the polls pretending to be somebody else in order to each cast one incremental fake ballot. This is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens.


Who in the world would risk a felony conviction to cast ONE fraudulent ballot? And who in the world would be willing to pay enough for multiple people to take that risk?

For the cases of organized, multiple-ballot fraud, there needs to be another solution, and in some cases it's already fixed. For example, in Philadelphia, there is a saying, "voting the cemeteries". Sure that could have happened in the past - but ONLY in precincts that are solidly one party and when the other party just isn't paying attention. But yeah, it could have happened. But with modern information technology, the only "cemetery" voters that should even be in the pollbooks are people who died shortly before the election. So that problem, if it ever existed (and I'm willing to say it may have, once), is FIXED. And not by denying any legitimate voters the right to vote, but rather by technology and process improvements.

But, don't even get me started on black-box voting. (Still, even that kind of fraud would require a conspiracy.)
Voter Fraud/ Welfare Fraud, both are obsessions of the right wing liberal N proud Aug 2014 #1
And what do they have in common? XemaSab Aug 2014 #2
Yes, We TAN!!!!! MADem Aug 2014 #14
It serves two basic purposes deutsey Aug 2014 #11
31 counts of fraud vs how many counts of legitimate voters being prevented from voting? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #3
They're not legitimate if they vote for Democrats mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #15
Conservatives created a nonexistent disaster then exploited it. Typical fascist thinking. Auggie Aug 2014 #4
Well said, and exactly right! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #6
Yep, they exploited it so they could use it as a cover to commit... demmiblue Aug 2014 #9
How many people were phone jammed in NH in 2002 underpants Aug 2014 #5
Transparent scapegoat to bleet to the mass media which just re-bleets, using the cover in Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #7
can I have a refund from the Republican Party rurallib Aug 2014 #8
and i bet there is money to be siphoned off the 'fix'. pansypoo53219 Aug 2014 #10
*** THIS ^^^^ *** MH1 Aug 2014 #26
Excellent post GeoWilliam750 Aug 2014 #12
Totally! calimary Aug 2014 #13
YES!! This is how you educate low information people. vanlassie Aug 2014 #22
k and r and bookmarking this handy little visual aid. niyad Aug 2014 #16
They are not worried about TNNurse Aug 2014 #17
Yeah! Cha Aug 2014 #18
Because when someone brown votes, it's fraud. n/t TygrBright Aug 2014 #19
It's amazing the right claims rampant voter fraud but there basically isn't any. Iron Man Aug 2014 #20
Love it! Quantess Aug 2014 #21
Unfortunately, that infographic is a complete lie. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #23
So, if only one out of a thousand people get caught... Jerry442 Aug 2014 #24
Your conclusion certainly follows from your assumption. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #28
And if there's been only one indecent-exposure arrest in your town in 20 years... Jerry442 Aug 2014 #31
People...enough to fall for it. VPStoltz Aug 2014 #30
Touche. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #33
It doesn't help that the MSM has adopted 'voter fraud' as the catch-all term IDemo Aug 2014 #25
I heartily agree with the conclusion but suspect 31 is understated. MH1 Aug 2014 #27
black box voting and reporting is the problem questionseverything Aug 2014 #34
Give them credit for being consistently stupid... VPStoltz Aug 2014 #29
You could do a similar graphic customerserviceguy Aug 2014 #32
They DO give a shite about the consequences. Voter suppression is the INTENDED consequence. DesertDiamond Aug 2014 #35
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