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cleduc

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81. I was thinking about this quote from my post above:
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 10:26 PM
Aug 2014
“It’s fun to be brilliant, but who are your peers? Who was his peer?” asked Fisher. “It’s incredibly lonely to be that. And he didn’t have a choice. And that’s why you take drugs, so you can slow up and smell the roses just to know that they are there, and it’s not all you. Drugs for a lot of people kept them alive. Without them they would’ve committed suicide. Not that I think that in any way drugs are positive. But I can certainly understand what drove his need for them, his appetite for them.”


Robin's death has really got to me. Try to be patient with my speculation below.

Bipolar hypomaniacs, that I suspect Robin suffered from, often do get successful treatment with drugs like lithium for example. BUT, a big BUT in Robin's probable case, and a different slant from Fisher's bolded comments above, if Robin took a drug like that to treat his bipolar condition, it would have taken the mania out of him. It would have killed who Robin perceived he was in the public's eye. It would have dramatically subdued his manic, high speed humor. It would have all but killed his perceived ability to do the only thing he was exceptional at in terms of work and creating art. It would have snuffed the endorphin high he talked about. It would have substantially curtailed his ability to put food on the table for his family and so many others he helped through his philanthropy that was so important to this highly empathetic soul.

Tragically, in Robin's case, even if he got diagnosed and good medication prescribed for this condition, and I suspect he did, he couldn't take the conventional nor probably any treatment for the mania or it would have ended or significantly compromised who he was in so many ways. Robin didn't have the choice most folks with this condition do.

Untreated hypomaniacs I've known are "up" a high percentage of the time. Eventually, like the laws of gravity, what goes up must come down. They don't sleep much while they're manic. Eventually, that catches up to them and they get tuckered out. Fatigue kicks in and the high speed mood swings to a real low, depressed mood while they physically recover their energy and heal up.

They can also suffer significant guilt or embarrassment for their out of control behavior due to things like promiscuity or hurt feelings or squandering money.

It appears that Robin lived this way for 40 or more years. Untreated, he would have hit some real lows along the way and it appears, one bad and low depression kicked in that he couldn't seem to get out of and it effectively, having happened many times before and worn him down over the 40 years, drove him to take his own life.

I could be wrong with the above but I suspect I'm probably not all that far off.
"Cowardly, Selfish" [View all] TygrBright Aug 2014 OP
I agree PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #1
Well said el_bryanto Aug 2014 #2
That's actually quite a LOT-- "listen and offer what support is requested." TygrBright Aug 2014 #33
This is a remarkably brave and beautiful post. Thank you, Bright. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #3
Yes, it was. smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #52
Thank You! GitRDun Aug 2014 #4
you are an incredibly courageous and beautiful soul. there are no words niyad Aug 2014 #5
Thank you get the red out Aug 2014 #6
Well said! I wish the English language had a different term for clinical depression - hedgehog Aug 2014 #7
Thank you, thank you! Allie's 2-part blog post is amazing. TygrBright Aug 2014 #34
Thank you for writing that. LisaLynne Aug 2014 #8
The Jerkbrain ellaydubya Aug 2014 #9
DURec X 1000 bvar22 Aug 2014 #10
Thank you. Yes, we DO connect. TygrBright Aug 2014 #36
Honored to K&R this beautiful post. bullwinkle428 Aug 2014 #11
That is the most enlightenig insight to come out of this tragedy so far. world wide wally Aug 2014 #12
A humble thank you locks Aug 2014 #13
Shep Smith apologized on Tuesday for calling Robin Williams "cowardly" on air. amuse bouche Aug 2014 #14
This +1000 ^^^^^! n/t ColesCountyDem Aug 2014 #15
excellent OP, thanks from a fellow sufferer nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #16
See, this is why we have to dig WAY deeper than just some trite surface dismissal. calimary Aug 2014 #17
Yes! That's an excellent thread, and the Rude One totally gets it. TygrBright Aug 2014 #37
If you have never onecaliberal Aug 2014 #18
Thank you Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #19
Utterly fantastic post (nt) jeff47 Aug 2014 #20
excellent MFM008 Aug 2014 #21
Very well said. Thank you for posting. LoisB Aug 2014 #22
Thank you for the discussion mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #23
That is very insightful. TygrBright Aug 2014 #39
I wish I could express this stuff BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #24
Sounding whiney and pathetic goes with the territory. TygrBright Aug 2014 #40
thanks Bright, BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #42
so poignant and honest. and also... Stuart G Aug 2014 #25
K/R Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #26
K/R 100X albino65 Aug 2014 #27
Thank you for those words. Paka Aug 2014 #28
I used to believe just that... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2014 #29
Your post is eloquent, TygrBright. freedom fighter jh Aug 2014 #30
Thank you, TygrBright. nt Granny M Aug 2014 #31
Well done ! Thanks for the post. russspeakeasy Aug 2014 #32
Incredible post! ybbor Aug 2014 #35
One aspect of the Program that keeps me alive is helping others who share this pain. TygrBright Aug 2014 #41
No Thank You! ybbor Aug 2014 #44
+ 10000 --I understand and have heaven05 Aug 2014 #38
Could be worse.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #43
Thank you, Bright, for what must have been a difficult thing to do. Ferretherder Aug 2014 #45
Thank you, Ferretherder! It's been an amazing ride so far, hasn't it? TygrBright Aug 2014 #47
Truth be told, my friend, I sometimes find it hard to recognize... Ferretherder Aug 2014 #68
Thank you... ms liberty Aug 2014 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author EEO Aug 2014 #48
{{{EEO}}} may your life be much easier, sweeter, and pain free. veness Aug 2014 #70
Emotional pain is just as real TNNurse Aug 2014 #49
I am so tired of hearing "healthcare professionals" and those who work alongside them rustydog Aug 2014 #50
I can't imagine calling suicide selfish or cowardly bhikkhu Aug 2014 #51
so many things I could say, but mostly I say Thank You rurallib Aug 2014 #53
Remarkable post Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2014 #54
Bright, this is so poignant... everything you posted is true... depression hurts and it secondwind Aug 2014 #55
YES ocd liberal Aug 2014 #56
If there is anything good about this event, it's the general care with which it's been reported - hedgehog Aug 2014 #57
they would be so much better off without me. mopinko Aug 2014 #58
One of the most compelling posts I've read here on DU. navarth Aug 2014 #59
I agree "Cowardly, Selfish" is nonsense and horrible way to express what went on. cleduc Aug 2014 #60
This is the letter I wrote to my bipolar niece (name changed for obvious reasons): chervilant Aug 2014 #72
That was a real nice letter cleduc Aug 2014 #76
I was thinking about this quote from my post above: cleduc Aug 2014 #81
I didn't understand depression chervilant Aug 2014 #82
That was a very moving reply cleduc Aug 2014 #85
This is a beautiful letter, thank you for sharing it with us. TygrBright Aug 2014 #79
I am in awe of your OP, TygrBright! chervilant Aug 2014 #83
You are welcome to post it on FB. TygrBright Aug 2014 #84
One of the best pieces I've ever read on the subject. Congratulations. IrishAyes Aug 2014 #61
This is so true dvg Aug 2014 #62
Beautiful. Thank you. liberalmuse Aug 2014 #63
Thank you, Bright ReRe Aug 2014 #64
It is not selfish or cowardly. In fact, most of those calling Live and Learn Aug 2014 #65
Wonderful post. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #66
Thank you for this. CallMeKat Aug 2014 #67
Well put! peace13 Aug 2014 #69
A very dear young friend VA_Jill Aug 2014 #71
As long as their have been people, people have been tortured to death. Orsino Aug 2014 #73
Thank you TygrBright! BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #74
I had someone tell me that depressed people are selfish and self absorbed. deafskeptic Aug 2014 #75
Yep. Drowning people have very little interest in others' problems, too. n/t TygrBright Aug 2014 #80
very powerful hibbing Aug 2014 #77
Thank you Tyger passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #78
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