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Tue Aug 5, 2014, 02:39 PM Aug 2014

No Exceptional Circumstances Whatsoever... May Be Invoked as a Justification of Torture [View all]

UN (Geneva) CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (to which the U.S. is a signatory)

Article 2-

1) No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.


2) An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.



from the 2013 Issue Brief for the Human Rights Council (HRC)
Responding to Accusations of Torture by the United States at Guantanamo Bay:

There are no documented examples of a terrorist attack revealed or thwarted by information recovered through torture. Successful interrogations were reportedly achieved at Guantanamo, but these relied on conventional interrogation practices stressing interrogator empathy and relationship.

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But..but..what if your neighbor's parakeet had a nuclear bomb hidden in his cage and... Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #1
Seems pretty damn clear. n/t TDale313 Aug 2014 #2
shouldn't be surprised, but I am a little bigtree Aug 2014 #3
Some of those who support it have watched too much TV. zeemike Aug 2014 #11
That's why 24 was created to begin with. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #14
Yes. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #19
We are immersed in it. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #20
Agreed. But for the most part, I am not. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #25
I still have some trust in the Christian Science Monitor, bvar22 Aug 2014 #40
Yes! The 4400 was showcasing waterboarding too. Lars39 Aug 2014 #22
As a society we cannot morph Enthusiast Aug 2014 #24
Interesting. Same has been said of Zero Dark Thirty merrily Aug 2014 #56
It always amazed me that no one Jack Bauer tortured ever lied to him. tclambert Aug 2014 #46
You said it! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #13
+ a zillion truebluegreen Aug 2014 #4
What if you are working hard and under enormous pressure, can that be invoked as justification? n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #5
Yes, but only if you are a patriot /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #6
Only if you're a "real patriot." kas125 Aug 2014 #12
Well then, Stryder Aug 2014 #30
K & R democrank Aug 2014 #7
Thank you bigtree annabanana Aug 2014 #8
Including fear malaise Aug 2014 #9
yes bigtree Aug 2014 #10
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #15
Oh Plez! No one here wants to excuse torture. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #33
Remember Bush's guys never tortured anyone. They told us so. LiberalArkie Aug 2014 #16
Good point, the Geneva Convention doesn't say "enhanced interrogation" is illegal. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #35
Please include John Yoo in that list. L0oniX Aug 2014 #38
Absolutely. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #39
DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #17
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #18
*Every one* needs to go back and study the Torture Memos and how Bushco made torture legal. Lars39 Aug 2014 #21
Thank you so much bigtree for hammering this issue. johnnyreb Aug 2014 #23
Ditto. Bigtree and I don't see eye to eye on many things, but on this we're in complete agreement. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #27
K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #26
Kicked & Recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #28
Don't tell "Mr. Constitutional Scholar" blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #29
A fucking men Bandit Aug 2014 #31
american exceptionalism noiretextatique Aug 2014 #32
knr n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2014 #34
Well, except for scared patriots. Scuba Aug 2014 #36
How very, very quaint!! stillwaiting Aug 2014 #37
DURec. bvar22 Aug 2014 #41
Scared and a Patriot bobduca Aug 2014 #50
K&R! DeSwiss Aug 2014 #42
The United States signed, but has never ratified the Convention. n/t cheapdate Aug 2014 #43
More bullshit to support your rationalization of torture. OnyxCollie Aug 2014 #48
Swing and a miss! cheapdate Aug 2014 #49
The US ratified the UN Convention in 1994. merrily Aug 2014 #55
Please also see Replies 53, 51 and 55. merrily Aug 2014 #54
We signed and ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, though. merrily Aug 2014 #53
In my defense, cheapdate Aug 2014 #58
It was not a point of fact. Facts are true. merrily Aug 2014 #60
Here's where I looked : I looked at the source link provided in the OP. cheapdate Aug 2014 #61
Okay, but I am not attacking you or requiring you to defend yourself. merrily Aug 2014 #62
I understand that you were'nt attacking me. cheapdate Aug 2014 #63
Dude, let it go already. merrily Aug 2014 #64
I might. cheapdate Aug 2014 #65
Proud to be the 100th rec. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #44
What if they have a dog that barks ALL night Calista241 Aug 2014 #45
K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #47
To be fair, we did merrily Aug 2014 #51
Thank you bigtree for being on top of this issue! neverforget Aug 2014 #52
"We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality" PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #57
What if it's just "folks"? Torturers, torturees... Can't we just let bygones be bygones? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #59
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