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In reply to the discussion: How can a person who fights for the TPP be considered a friend of the 99%? [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)101. I think YOU need to provide that reference--you're the one complaining about it, not me.
So come on, then--put up or shut up.
And they aren't kept secret from Congress, otherwise Senator Warren wouldn't have read the annotations and complained about them. And Wyden didn't "threaten" anyone, he simply followed Darryl Issa who fired the first salvo--this was a bipartisan effort (Merkley and Menendez participated as well), not a Wyden-as-Superman exercise...but that fits with your contentious descriptions of any event.
In May, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, leaked the entire draft intellectual property chapter of the deal on his website in order to highlight concerns raised by technology companies and protest the lack of access granted to congressional offices and nonprofit groups. The chapter had previously been available on the Internet through legally ambiguous channels.
Wyden raised the stakes in late May by introducing legislation that would require the Obama administration to share key trade documents with members of Congress and top staffers. The bill is generally viewed as a symbolic act of protest, and Wyden's office argues that its major provisions are already on the books. Both Issa and Wyden have strong relationships with Internet freedom advocacy groups and Silicon Valley companies through their opposition to the proposed House bill called the Stop Online Piracy Act and its Senate companion, the Protect IP Act.
Funny though--you're portraying Wyden as some kind of hero "threatening" Obama, and he's the guy who is selling "fast track" under the kinder, friendlier, and gentler "smart track" term. SSDD. Far be it from me to tout anything coming out of AEI, but when those bastards start praising Wyden for his approach to TPP, maybe you should ratchet back on the hero worship of the guy.
I think you aren't in command of your facts, there, Manny. Wyden should be on your "Bad Guy" team. http://www.american.com/archive/2014/april/ron-wyden-free-trader/
Its a new ball game in the Senate on trade: Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon), who has succeeded Senator Max Baucus (D-Montana), as chairman of the Finance Committee, seems understandably determined to place his own stamp on trade policy including on legislation to provide special procedures for congressional vetting of new trade agreements (so-called Trade Promotion Authority), and on the substance of the agreements now being negotiated. The new chairman has made it clear he would scrap, or substantially alter, the bipartisan TPA bill crafted by Senator Baucus, in alliance with House Ways and Means Committee Chairman David Camp (R-Michigan), and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). Until recently, Wyden was reticent about disclosing his own specific views on urgent, pending issues, but last week he gave a speech in which he began to clarify where he will attempt to take trade policy: its a mixed bag of attitudes and proposals, though by no means antithetical to a free market agenda.
First, some good news: Wyden chose to make his policy debut before the American Apparel and Footwear Association, a lobbying organization for the multinational companies and groups that import clothing and shoes, either as finished goods or as components: these groups have a big stake in knocking down barriers. Wyden took on the powerful, protectionist textile/apparel and footwear lobbies, arguing for lower tariffs: Trade agreements need to be equally ambitious on footwear and apparel reflect[ing] those industries as they are in this century not as they were in the last one. Before getting too righteous here, it should be noted that multinational Nike is based in Wydens home state, Oregon which pits it (and Wyden) against Made in America New Balance, located in Maine and strongly championed and protected by that states senators and congressmen from both parties.
Showing his high-tech, West Coast background, Wyden also gave a strong plug for open digital markets and trade, arguing that 21st-century agreements should protect the free flow of data and resist attempts to confine data and servers within national boundaries. No doubt causing heartburn for the U.S. entertainment and internet content providers, the chairman also took aim at moves to make the internet highway companies (viz, Google, Facebook) legally responsible for content (he specifically called out recent legislative proposals such as SOPA and PIPA as examples). He concluded: Its as simple as this: the internet, which is really the shipping lane of the 21st century, has to be kept open and free.
Hmmm. All politics is local. Surprise, surprise.
All countries around the table have mutually agreed to keep their negotiations quiet up to this point. Every nation at that table is there because they think they can cut a deal that favors them in some way or another. No one wants to show their hand and have their negotiating strategies second-guessed. Is that too hard for you to grasp?
Some politicians in the USA as well as Canada and Chile and New Zealand and other nations are starting to gripe about it in response to the pushback from their constituencies, but the governments--to this point, anyway-- haven't taken the decision to release the material.
So yeah, "let's take this slowly" because that's how it is going to progress. You're the only one who believes otherwise.
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How can a person who fights for the TPP be considered a friend of the 99%? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
OP
Prophetic 1994 Interview On GATT - No One Fighting For The TPP Could Be A Friend Of The 99% - Link Below
cantbeserious
Jul 2014
#3
It's most likely horrible for the average American. It will further erode what's left of...
stillwaiting
Jul 2014
#4
They can't. They are, to use your own words, "violently mutually exclusive."
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#8
They can't. They can be arguably less hostile but that is far as I can go with it.
TheKentuckian
Jul 2014
#9
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP)
antigop
Jul 2014
#14
They can't nor can they if they support Torture or acts of war against innocent people.
Vincardog
Jul 2014
#18
The elderly and disabled ARE there. Sorry to be so disgruntled on behalf of the most vulnerable
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#193
They are for the PROCESS. They are for a treaty that binds together a group of nations to
MADem
Jul 2014
#55
And we know that many in Congress aren't supporting it, but you'd never guess that by looking
MADem
Jul 2014
#67
He might not get it. This thing just isn't popular, first off, and second, we're apparently not
MADem
Jul 2014
#66
Why does the President want something that is harmful to working class Americans?
Enthusiast
Jul 2014
#118
And they might not have that simple majority in the House. This thing is not as popular amongst the
MADem
Jul 2014
#73
The OP didn't say squat about the TPP's popularity either here or abroad
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#91
Well, the popularity--or lack thereof--of the TPP makes a difference as to how much weight
MADem
Jul 2014
#105
And I just named him as the architect of "smart track" to reconcile concerns with the TPP.
MADem
Jul 2014
#143
Of course nothing will happen until after the election, which we KNOW, and which is WHY it is
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#176
There's a huge cadre of legislators who have to stand for reelection on a frequent basis in the
MADem
Jul 2014
#190
We entered into CAFTA, and not all that many years later, we have an influx of immigrants
JDPriestly
Jul 2014
#149
There are hundreds of private US corporations getting real-time info on the talks,
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#46
If you're concerned about choice you should know about our partners rights record.
pa28
Jul 2014
#88
Well said. It is fascism. It is the merger of state and corporations, and the dismantling
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#100
I like Elizabeth Warren, I helped get her elected, but I don't need her to explain things to me.
MADem
Jul 2014
#40
No, I am not saying that--I'm saying that it's what they agreed to when they entered the process.
MADem
Jul 2014
#59
I think YOU need to provide that reference--you're the one complaining about it, not me.
MADem
Jul 2014
#101
And Warren was "told" by Larry Summers "Insiders don't criticize other insiders!"
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#45
While I agree that there should be more transparency in the process, I can understand
MADem
Jul 2014
#189
I believe you've asked that question before and the answer is still the same.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#181
How about not asking such divisive rhetoricals in the first place? How about discussing the issue?
MADem
Jul 2014
#188
Seems to me that you are making a simple issue, complicated. There has been no one that
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#194
Fair enough but I don't see that Obama is my implied 'enemy' because of one specific issue.
randome
Jul 2014
#39
I don't see why any liberal would need to check any list to find out what might please another
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#68
True, the word has been hi-jacked it seems by the Third Way thinking it is clever
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#87
How do you respond to, "How can a person who fights for the TPP be considered a friend of the 99%?"
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#184
We haven't had a president that's for the people since Carter. There won't be another one IMO.
L0oniX
Jul 2014
#29
Where would we be now had we followed his conservation agenda of fuel efficient cars.
L0oniX
Jul 2014
#35
Let's not forget about TISA that is trying to sneak in with all of our attention on the TPP...
cascadiance
Jul 2014
#47
China is getting uppity, India is getting expensive, plenty of cheap fresh meat in Vietnam, etc
whereisjustice
Jul 2014
#70
You cannot support this abomination and claim to be even a decent human being, let alone
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#71
Maybe Paul Krugman didn't read the leaks from Wikileaks, or maybe he doesn't care
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#81
Actually, Paul Krugman issued a statement after he made these comments,
woo me with science
Jul 2014
#95
Thanks, I am always amazed that people think, or at least some people, that if they appeal to some
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#102
Krugman is brilliant in many ways -- but he has always had a blind spot for free trade
Armstead
Jul 2014
#94
Gosh, you're right. Anyway, it's all the same thing. Flip a coin. There's no difference.
cheapdate
Jul 2014
#177
Right after he's done renegotiating NAFTA, you mean? He's got a track record of fibbing here.
Romulox
Jul 2014
#161
NAFTA is generally credited with destroying more than a half-million American jobs
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#169
Can you point to where Obama ran on a platform of new "free" trade agreements?
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2014
#182
There is *nothing* good that will come out of this trade agreement. And the secrecy proves it. (nt)
w4rma
Jul 2014
#170
Only if you believe the people who say "person" fights with TPP and take their word for it...
uponit7771
Jul 2014
#174