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In reply to the discussion: NSA says it has no record of Snowden challenging spying [View all]Cha
(296,893 posts)82. Bottom line, though.. "Boy Genius" is a liar.
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So you're buying the GOP line that the IRS intentionally lost those "troublesome" emails?
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2014
#20
I think that was a joke? If not....we are worse than the GOP at this point. nt
kelliekat44
Jun 2014
#31
Why would emails from 2009-early2011 be 'troublesome' but emails from 2011-2012 be NOT troublesome
blm
Jun 2014
#32
That was a Bush appointee running it then. But, I asked you a simple question relevant to your post.
blm
Jun 2014
#40
Seems easy enough. Why would 2009-early2011 emails lost be relevant to the case Issa was making?
blm
Jun 2014
#42
Ummm manny....he can save the individual emails and even print them out for...
uponit7771
Jun 2014
#57
Yep...my horseshit meter is pegged, as well. He's either an idiot or a liar. Maybe both...? nt
MADem
Jun 2014
#54
And all Snowden has to do is produce a single e-mail to prove them wrong...nt
SidDithers
Jun 2014
#45
Been holding my breath since April when NSA first said they had no record of any
Fla Dem
Jun 2014
#113
Use IGNORE if it bugs you. Don't try to censor other people's speech with suggestions that it's
MADem
Jun 2014
#61
Arguably, the person who tries to belittle the discussion is the censor.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#65
The person who characterizes an opposing view as "belittling" could be called the censor, too.
MADem
Jun 2014
#71
When you tell someone that their argument isn't serious enough, you're belittling them.
MADem
Jun 2014
#75
I think people who mock Dick Cheney with all the cheeky names and "hilarious" images...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#76
Well, you can "not like it" all you want, but you can't censor it. That's not your charge.
MADem
Jun 2014
#87
Criticizing the way people debate, instead of dealing with the substance of the objection,
MADem
Jun 2014
#117
You still don't get it. The person you're defending made it clear they aren't here to discuss...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#118
You don't need to qualify your insults with quotation marks. You are insulting people.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#132
You keep doing it! And you wonder why people look askance at what you have to say!
MADem
Jun 2014
#144
Maybe you have noticed that I place a lot of stock in how someone presents their arguments...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#150
Again, construct your argument in a fashion that doesn't make it sound like grade school rumor.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#22
Again, the debate is over the legality and ethics of metadata collection.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#44
'Again' the debate is about metadata collection? First time you mentioned that in this thread.
randome
Jun 2014
#46
"Not one person." - How in the name of reason do you actually know that definitively?
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#50
I won't concede to your argument that he's lonely or isolated or pathetic.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#60
Okay, so for the sake of the discussion we are having, let us say what you're arguing is true...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#66
I would argue just the opposite. That the clear enemy in public consciousness...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#70
Because there is nothing that S&G have shown that is not subject to interpretation.
randome
Jun 2014
#131
First off, I am by self proclamation not an anarchist. So that is moot.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#115
The only thing that is self-evident is the existence of your own subjective reality.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#142
I can't help but notice you keep telling people to STFU. You aren't answering any of their points,
MADem
Jun 2014
#88
No, I never said everyone else is not serious. I made specific objections...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#90
The semantic structure of an argument is intertwined with the conditions.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#148
I didn't want to engage in the childish banter of a group which has an ideological drive...
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2014
#152
When there is no evidence, only vague insinuations, of course the narrative turns to personalities.
randome
Jun 2014
#130
In this case, I don't see it as 'unhealthy' or 'irrational' to expect proof from these two bozos.
randome
Jun 2014
#140
That will be ignored, it goes against the narrative being played out by desperate people.
Rex
Jun 2014
#78
The NSA also hasn't stopped a single terrorist attack by their own admission.
riderinthestorm
Jun 2014
#33
But notice how much congress now is concerned about the NSA?? Snowden did a GREAT thing! n-t
Logical
Jun 2014
#62
Most of these agencies have little credibility with me. They lie and distort so damn
RKP5637
Jun 2014
#51
Duh. SNOWDEN doesn't even have a record of Snowden challenging the NSA program
Number23
Jun 2014
#81
Actually, scoring by catching "lies" seems like a losing tactic for you on this one.
Pholus
Jun 2014
#84
I wouldn't believe the NSA if they happened to accidentally tell the truth!
Zen Democrat
Jun 2014
#101
I think most DUers (and others) trust Greenwald and Snowden far more than the federal government.
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2014
#126
I wonder if they're going to say that they lost a bunch of emails when some individual user's hard
hughee99
Jun 2014
#134
Nope different agencies have different backup methods. Different parts of different agencies have
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#163
The IRS' email is not a particularly critical system. Makes sense its the last one to be upgraded
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#165
Yes, and without a serious good faith effort to go through regular channels, Snowden is a criminal.
stevenleser
Jun 2014
#159
We searched our secret documents and found nothing that implicates us of wrong doing
Taitertots
Jun 2014
#160