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13. The 'Liberal' brand isn't pure enough, so it will have to be discarded by some now:

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New data shows Hillary has tremendous support among liberals, less support among conservative Dems [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 OP

Haven't always been a supporter, but her main selling point for me is the folks who are against her. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #1

Yup Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #6

the think the are good at masquerade! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #36

"Transparent Republican tactics are obvious....and transparent...." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #38

Yes, because those of us a bit further left are Repubicans. Yeah, that's the ticket! Scuba Jun 2014 #54

Curses! Our secret plans for the Romnification of America pscot Jun 2014 #128

Are You Joking? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #67

I suspect you've confused DU Liberals, who may or may not be, with real world liberals. That's..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #75

Obvious billhicks76 Jun 2014 #81

How many? There's no Barack Obama waiting in the wings this time around. Charisma & energy.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #86

The liberals I know think she is far too hawkish & pro-corp, & not liberal enough. peacebird Jun 2014 #2

Agreed, peacebird btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #16

funny this poll shows you your anecdotaL evidence is not reliable VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #18

Romneys polls showed he was going to be President, HRC's polls showed she would be Dem nom '07 peacebird Jun 2014 #23

But these aren't "internal" polls. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #40

I'm 32 years old Stryst Jun 2014 #64

I am 57 and have voted in every election except 1 since I was 18 & have never been called for a poll peacebird Jun 2014 #119

so unless you got polled....its invalid? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #130

I'm sorry Stryst Jun 2014 #134

you realize this is standard and even used scientifically right? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #135

And that's why Stryst Jun 2014 #138

A real poll is more accurate than the people any one person knows treestar Jun 2014 #107

All the people I know who are democrats want Hillary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #3

Hi, my name is Gary, I live in Kansas, I don't want Hillary! Now.... Logical Jun 2014 #5

I meant in real life. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #7

This isn't real life? Armstead Jun 2014 #37

I mean people I know in person. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #78

Not even close FrodosPet Jun 2014 #80

nope, especially on sites where one can remain anonymous JI7 Jun 2014 #91

I only know one Democrat in real life that wants Hillary progressoid Jun 2014 #14

Well here in NYC she is well liked. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #15

DUzy! riqster Jun 2014 #21

more neeners progressoid Jun 2014 #89

LOL, I knew TWO, that is til my dad finally called it quits w/ Hillary after she gave a boost to the fracking industry. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #88

If Hillary runs, it's going to take an extraordinary effort during MineralMan Jun 2014 #4

Hillary had a 40 point lead over Obama at one point! And managed to lose it..... Logical Jun 2014 #8

Yup progressoid Jun 2014 #10

you keep reminding yourself of that......whatever gets you through the night VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #20

Are you saying that is incorrect??? nt Logical Jun 2014 #27

there is only one candidate: Hillary Clinton! neverforget Jun 2014 #77

Yes, that's true. Grassroots efforts won out. MineralMan Jun 2014 #28

I see it very different...... Logical Jun 2014 #79

President Obama is a very charismatic man FrodosPet Jun 2014 #84

True.. and that's why the m$m pushed that he couldn't connect to people.. they went Cha Jun 2014 #93

And yet Mnpaul Jun 2014 #95

Obama was not an uknown, from the time of the 2004 speech he was getting worldwide attention JI7 Jun 2014 #92

Yes he was! Early polling shows he was! Hillary lost a huge lead! nt Logical Jun 2014 #99

early polling showed Hillary has a Pres Lead, but not that OBama was an unknown JI7 Jun 2014 #100

Hillary lost a 40 point lead, that is all you need to know! nt Logical Jun 2014 #101

no, that's too simplistic and ignores Obama's incredible talent JI7 Jun 2014 #102

Well, if no one incredibly talented comes along, Hillary get it! :-) Logical Jun 2014 #103

i'm talking about a specific type of talent that can appeal to large numbers of people JI7 Jun 2014 #104

actually she lost no support dsc Jun 2014 #122

No One Likes A Fake billhicks76 Jun 2014 #71

I agree. Little Star Jun 2014 #9

I agree and I disagree Andy823 Jun 2014 #97

None of the liberals I know are enthused about her AT ALL.... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #11

exceptions dont change the rule VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22

ALL the liberals I know leftynyc Jun 2014 #29

The liberals I know will mostly vote for her, but they'll probably campaign for someone... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #43

Me me me Iliyah Jun 2014 #83

This website has gone so far leftynyc Jun 2014 #118

So MSM has redifined the word liberal to include right leaning centrists. What a surprise. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #12

can you prove that is in play here.....or is this off the top of your head? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #24

Maybe. Do you consider yourself a liberal? nt Zorra Jun 2014 #65

of course I do..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #129

But you appear to enthusiastically support a potential pro-corporate Zorra Jun 2014 #132

I support whoever wins the democratic primary....dont you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133

Yeah, I will vote for her in the GE if she's nominated, in the hope she turns on her bankster Zorra Jun 2014 #136

I'm sure they're using self-described liberals leftynyc Jun 2014 #31

...and therein lies the problem... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #45

No - it's not a problem at all leftynyc Jun 2014 #126

The irony here is that neither are liberals... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #127

The 'Liberal' brand isn't pure enough, so it will have to be discarded by some now: freshwest Jun 2014 #13

This is one LIBERAL they didn't poll. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17

awwww.....then i guess that proves it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #30

Um, who exactly are these conservative Dems supporting? KamaAina Jun 2014 #19

She makes MLK look like Ayn Rand! nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #25

tell the truth you never read Ayn Rand VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #32

Any excuse to nudge us more rightward. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #26

how so? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

I'm saying that I've read How to Lie With Statistics Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #41

apoor excuse is better than none i suppose VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #44

"just like a good ideologue"....you must be irony-deficient mate... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #46

a realist like myself can compromise VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #48

Yup... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #51

In all fairness VR is a gal not a guy, but the rest is correct /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #55

I stand corrected...thanks truebrit71 Jun 2014 #57

Did I say that? I said I don't put much faith in opinion polls; Full Stop. I referenced a poll Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #56

She may well find greater support among self described left leaning liberals, vs an unknown Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #63

Republicans didn't put much stock into the 2012 polls either Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #73

So Much Faith In Polls billhicks76 Jun 2014 #76

Yea, screw this 2014 election crap. Time to move on to 2016. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #34

THIS! Raine1967 Jun 2014 #98

Vs. what other candidates? Scootaloo Jun 2014 #35

Then there's a problem with the modern definition of liberal whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #39

The modern definition of liberal is neoliberal, so there is that. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #60

Yup whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #61

LOL Egnever Jun 2014 #42

Liberal apprently = center/right bowens43 Jun 2014 #47

I'm a liberal yet... TRoN33 Jun 2014 #49

Anyone attacking Hillary from the left..... raindaddy Jun 2014 #50

WOW!! Would have thought the opposite!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #52

Checkmate, liberals!! beerandjesus Jun 2014 #53

If you read the article, it's actually the centrists who have been checkmated Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #70

this is why i self identify as progressive rather than liberal.. frylock Jun 2014 #58

That's what I see too. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #72

It used to mean the center-left Chathamization Jun 2014 #94

She has a problem with this liberal Android3.14 Jun 2014 #59

Well, then, why so relentlessly panties-twisted and rude about those of us who do not djean111 Jun 2014 #62

^^ this. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #74

+1 beerandjesus Jun 2014 #123

Maybe this is why former Gov. Brian Schwitzer (D-MT) Larkspur Jun 2014 #66

It's still up to her to convince enough voters to vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #68

I know multiple independants (ex-repub) that love Warren and can't stand Clinton fbc Jun 2014 #69

Typical MSM corporate propaganda poll that relies entirely on woo me with science Jun 2014 #82

That's odd. I would expect her base to be conservative Dems. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #85

WHERE ARE LINKS? to claim Warren "has said repeatedly that she won't run for pres.in 2016?" Divernan Jun 2014 #87

How's this? brooklynite Jun 2014 #113

Why, thank you so very much! (channeling Brenda Lee Johnson for southern accent) Divernan Jun 2014 #121

Cool...but her Book was still 30% off in the Big Rack in Barnes & Noble KoKo Jun 2014 #90

My grocery store had it 25% off. I will 840high Jun 2014 #105

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2014 #96

Interesting peek into the real world treestar Jun 2014 #106

The problem? Conservative Dems also identify themselves as "liberal dems". Bonobo Jun 2014 #108

What do you mean? I assume you're referring to self identification... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #111

It is evident. Bonobo Jun 2014 #114

So you have no real evidence to back up your assertion Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #115

I'm unconvinced that you know what "scientific" means. Bonobo Jun 2014 #116

I'm basing my assertion on an actual poll using self-identification Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #131

yeah, if you go by DU polls Kucinich and Edwards each had far more support JI7 Jun 2014 #117

"Otherwise how do you explain the large number of DUers that are liberal Dems but oppose her? " djean111 Jun 2014 #137

Would post an opinion, but like HRC on Keystone, "I can't say" ... hatrack Jun 2014 #109

Telephone poll abelenkpe Jun 2014 #110

Two things MFrohike Jun 2014 #112

I said it in 2008, if Hillary is our nominee, Republicans win the presidency! B Calm Jun 2014 #120

Democrats supporting a Clinton? To varying degrees? Orsino Jun 2014 #124

Further proof that ... ieoeja Jun 2014 #125