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In reply to the discussion: Today, Obama admin all but admitted it is a right wing, teacher-union busting admin [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)27. People cannot afford to pay for a teaching degree which is not worth as much in the marketplace
Last edited Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:23 AM - Edit history (1)
as some other degrees if they don't have the opportunity to enjoy job security once they have proven themselves.
Teaching degrees -- all those education courses -- are mostly good for one thing -- teaching.
With a degree in accounting and maybe some graduate work in the same field, you can demand a salary that will allow you to pay back your student loans depending on where you live. You don't need so much job security, don't need tenure.
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Today, Obama admin all but admitted it is a right wing, teacher-union busting admin [View all]
brentspeak
Jun 2014
OP
Entirely consistent with the overall corporate direction of this administration.
woo me with science
Jun 2014
#1
And yet the Republican Party never stopped treating him with contempt - like dirt under their
Cal33
Jun 2014
#106
I've thought about this being just an act, but the thought of the amount of incredible abuse
Cal33
Jun 2014
#148
Any Democratic president would be subject to the worst abuse the GOP can find or dream up. Just
Cal33
Jun 2014
#213
How is a ruling that values the equal protection of children above property "corporate?" nt
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#62
Then they ought to file suit. I expect that you've read the decision, then? The court
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#190
"Third Way is a deliberate, infiltrating, corporate-bankrolled infiltration, a cancer in our party."
Scuba
Jun 2014
#67
Yes, the Third Way is killing the Democratic Party -- very slowly. It's just that their
Cal33
Jun 2014
#111
Thank you. The main goal of any Democrat should be to root out these Third Way infiltrators
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#150
and many were lured into a naive world where america doesn't have 1200 ALEC radio stations
certainot
Jun 2014
#9
Thank you again. It's easy for both sides to blame the someone else for their own actions and
kelliekat44
Jun 2014
#74
yes, the naive new voters- and much of that oppression was based on the general buzz
certainot
Jun 2014
#96
did he pick van jones before or after duncan? the left let the right swiftboat jones like
certainot
Jun 2014
#116
BS- you mean like fewer stupid wars, better regulation environment and healthcare? you mean
certainot
Jun 2014
#104
garbage. it's like that because of money in the system. we can't get the money out
certainot
Jun 2014
#115
So 100% true. His lies led to the Dem disillusionment in 2010 and the Tea Party surge.
Peregrine Took
Jun 2014
#176
they couldn't have done it without all those rw talk radio stations attacking teachers
certainot
Jun 2014
#8
So Duncan's anti-Union comments are the result of the Republ;icans running the House
rpannier
Jun 2014
#20
You don't understand. The mere *presence* of Republicans anywhere nearby
woo me with science
Jun 2014
#32
President Obama could slit Arne Duncan's throat in the Oval office on live TV
Fred Friendlier
Jun 2014
#210
The President didn't appoint this judge. And I think it violates core Democratic
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#61
How is a ruling upholding the equal protection rights of children an assault on you? nt
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#82
Certainly, it puts teachers on par with other workers, subject to the protections they have.
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#131
You know what I find illogical and troubling? Generally, the dismissal of a rights
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#191
Why do harp on the fact that teachers rights are ooposed to children's rights?
Armstead
Jun 2014
#199
Hell, even *Reagan* acknowledged that SS has nothing to do with the deficit.
woo me with science
Jun 2014
#107
this is about bad and pervert teachers in the public schools who keep their
hopemountain
Jun 2014
#21
Yeah, and fuck those teachers that want to own a home, have great health insurance...etc., etc.
progressoid
Jun 2014
#171
Where I taught I had to run to the next door classroom, a 3rd grader had the teacher's arm...
madfloridian
Jun 2014
#36
The voters endorsed the idea of teacher tenure when Schwarzenegger put it up for a vote
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#38
But here, tenure as a property right falls to the civil rights of children. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#60
EXACTLY. Principals are not being held appropriately accountable for the quality of their schools.
ancianita
Jun 2014
#125
I suggest you take your own advice and "study the real issues" because you don't have a clue.
Squinch
Jun 2014
#178
what about the students and families in the low income or minority districts
hopemountain
Jun 2014
#215
Obama, Arne, & most of Dem leadership in Congress are almost daring Progressives to leave the party
yurbud
Jun 2014
#22
People cannot afford to pay for a teaching degree which is not worth as much in the marketplace
JDPriestly
Jun 2014
#27
and you can do that without ending tenure. It IS done in places where teachers have tenure.
cali
Jun 2014
#41
Well....that's not really the point of the lawsuit. Here, you have a claim of equal
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#64
Good people won't apply for jobs where they can be fired at any time without cause
Ken Burch
Jun 2014
#164
But this also makes it possible to fire good teachers who have relatively high salaries,
Art_from_Ark
Jun 2014
#42
Maybe "good teachers" is exactly what the Third Way, and Republicans, don't want.
Zorra
Jun 2014
#160
Exactly.Key to it all: PRINCIPALS are responsible for whether teachers get tenure, NOT UNIONS.
ancianita
Jun 2014
#123
I strongly suggest passers by to read the links, rather than the so-called summary.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jun 2014
#122
Wow, you're wrong on this issue too and obviously know nothing of the subject
BrotherIvan
Jun 2014
#144
It is very easy today to fire teachers who are deemed not to be teaching well.
Squinch
Jun 2014
#180
I find your stance of valuing a property right over the civil rights of children to be at odds
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#59
And yet...that is precisely the ruling. Others may wish to discuss anything but the
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#149
As I noted upthread, upholding a property right over a civil right is at odds with
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#75
Actually, I cannot recall a time when I valued a property right over a civil rights claim.
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#91
Yep, they're lying poisonous snakes, just like their close kin, the Republicans. nt
Zorra
Jun 2014
#159
I wish there was a brief summary of the decision, what exactly are the Obama people praising
randys1
Jun 2014
#78
Unions need to do a better job dealing with bad teachers and protecting good ones
BeyondGeography
Jun 2014
#84
You don't seem to be familiar with the dismissal process. In most jurisdictions it is neither long,
Squinch
Jun 2014
#182
In NYC those numbers ARE unheard of. It takes 2 unsatisfactory ratings. It can
Squinch
Jun 2014
#203
Putrid and revolting. I can't even believe this "discussion" is happening on a Dem forum. n/t
Peregrine Took
Jun 2014
#181
Twelve words that sum up the dishonesty of the Third Way talking points:
woo me with science
Jun 2014
#112
A judge just overturned contractual relationships teachers have with their unions. Due process.
madfloridian
Jun 2014
#102
Well, yes, as you have no right to bargain against the equal protection of others.
msanthrope
Jun 2014
#134
But all of you teachers out there better vote Dem this fall, or it's all your fault!!111!
Doctor_J
Jun 2014
#109
Nah, they should vote non dem... thats the better of two bad choices / sarcasm
uponit7771
Jun 2014
#113
3 bad choices then... point being, make the better of bad choices. Life is not always cut and dry
uponit7771
Jun 2014
#138
God damn all teacher haters. The public had better commit to them if they want commitment from them.
ancianita
Jun 2014
#114
Probably no coincidence that union busting Chicago mayor Rahm Emmanuel was his former chief of staff
cascadiance
Jun 2014
#136
Are there any democrats in office who are fighting this or are they all on the corporate payroll?
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2014
#147
I hope you don't actually believe that the people pushing this give shit about minorities.
Teamster Jeff
Jun 2014
#209