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80. So if the Republicans manage extraconstitutionally impeach Pres. Obama

Sun Jun 1, 2014, 04:53 PM

Jun 2014

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It is legal because they were elected? That is precisely the same argument that is constantly made about Kyiv.

The constitution in Ukraine (neither the existing nor 2004) did not allow the proceedings as they occurred. So as often as people might want to use the argument, because they basically feel that the current kyiv government is the "right" government, does not make it constitutional. That propaganda is simply a lie.

Also, by making such simplified claims it really shows a lack of respect for half the population there. Ukrainians are not as dull as some would make them out to be. They reacted completely reasonably to a minority coup.

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UE condemns U.S. role in Ukraine crisis [View all] newthinking May 2014 OP

Ah, yes...American exceptionalism. nt elias49 May 2014 #1

Russian propaganda does not belong here. Drew Richards May 2014 #2

+1 n/t Still Sensible Jun 2014 #4

It is propaganda because it does not agree with you? newthinking Jun 2014 #6

It's propaganda because the number "46" is wrong in this context. Igel Jun 2014 #35

Exactly. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #91

Propaganda of any kind doesn't belong here. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #8

This is a statement from an American union. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #14

What happened in that Union building is not propaganda malaise Jun 2014 #16

Oh, it was most definitely propanda. Odessa has become the pro-Russian folks' Benghazi. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #22

amazing is it not Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #28

I have corrected you on this before. The "rooftop shooting" was in the center. Not at the union bldg newthinking Jun 2014 #71

I know this Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #81

What was the source of the Livestream you were watching? KoKo Jun 2014 #43

Here's my DU post commenting on it almost immediately after I saw the shooting. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #87

You are confusing two different events. The "rooftop" shooting picture was in the center newthinking Jun 2014 #70

Again, it wasn't two seperate events. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #88

More like the sick after-effects of Russian propoganda. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #21

You are forgetting "Bandera" propaganda. Kyiv and "Maidan" are expert and prolific at propaganda newthinking Jun 2014 #74

From Euromaidan PR - "Our" Right Sector newthinking Jun 2014 #75

You are forgetting how huge the Maidan protests were. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #89

As long as Svoboda and Right sector are in the executive branch the argument they are not material newthinking Jun 2014 #97

The instability in Eastern Ukraine has nothing to do with Right Sector or Svoboda. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #98

Countrywide elections were held May 25. A President was elected democrqtically. stevenleser May 2014 #3

I have hope that the new president will not disenfranchise half the country newthinking Jun 2014 #5

He was elected. That means his taking office supports the franchise of the entire country. nt stevenleser Jun 2014 #7

Your knowledge of Ukraine sounds lacking. Have you been there? newthinking Jun 2014 #11

when were you there? Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #29

recommend... KoKo Jun 2014 #45

Good post. A new parliament MUST be elected as you say, but I wouldn't hold my breath. They sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #47

New parliament elections won't be possible until armed gangs are subdued. joshcryer Jun 2014 #51

I understand quite a few places in the Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #57

The two biggest cities didn't vote due to violence. joshcryer Jun 2014 #64

True threats and weapons should not be used to Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #67

Ukraine is in big trouble Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #83

Lol! Sure, democracy military style. At the point of a gun. We are giving democracy a bad name. No sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #9

No one has asserted that the election on May 25th was 'at the point of a gun' stevenleser Jun 2014 #10

I wouldn't hold your breath davidpdx Jun 2014 #12

that indeed was a problem. But many not under the gun did not vote newthinking Jun 2014 #13

The assertion that was made which I responded to was about areas that did not vote davidpdx Jun 2014 #24

Good luck. I'm still trying to get proof from her that there was a "coup" in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #37

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge what the whole world has acknowledge, there was a coup in sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #38

the whole world says there was Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #58

I've posted the definition of "coup" over and over again. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #61

So if the Republicans manage extraconstitutionally impeach Pres. Obama newthinking Jun 2014 #80

It's not just that. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #84

Good luck with that. joshcryer Jun 2014 #52

Good luck Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #59

Russia will recognise outcome of Ukraine poll, says Vladimir Putin muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #15

hell of a lot more free and fair Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #30

The fact is there was coup in Kiev which is why the country is now on the brink of a civil war. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #40

and again you would not be correct Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #44

The coup was responsible and is, for everything that happened afterwards. Had there been an election sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #48

and once again we will have to disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #53

Right on, Sabrina! nt. polly7 Jun 2014 #62

But you can't even prove the coup. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #92

Countrywide elections for the Presidency : not their parliament dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #17

The Parliament did not flee the country like Yanukovych did. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #18

Neither were they necessarily elected to pursue now current policies. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #20

Nor did the people elect them to support a coup. Which made them too illegitimate. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #41

there was not a coup Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #46

Were they elected? Non-elected 'leaders' are not legitimate. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #50

at least we agree Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #55

So then.. would you be consistant and admit that neither the east nor Kiev govt newthinking Jun 2014 #72

well since the democratically elected Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #77

OK. Gotcha. newthinking Jun 2014 #78

believe what you want Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #79

Meet our illegitimate 38th President of the United States. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #85

You left out a whole lot of the Democratic process that took place before this happened. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #95

The greater point is, you tend to make overreaching statements that make you look foolish. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #96

There is no constitutional law for your assertion in either the existing nor 2004 constitution newthinking Jun 2014 #73

He's said he'll call for parliamentary elections early davidpdx Jun 2014 #25

Yes I just noticed that elsewhere dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #26

Article 77 Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #31

Constitution of 2004 rogerashton Jun 2014 #56

Oh puh-leeze. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #76

He's not in a position to do that without Parliaments agreement dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #99

If the 2004 constitution is back in force, he can call early elections davidpdx Jun 2014 #100

The recently elected President has not yet taken office. rogerashton Jun 2014 #54

So next week it will be Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #60

So how did the "coup" happen? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #90

A truly bizarre statement on the UE's part. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #19

Was May 2nd when the supposed Molotov Cocktails were thrown up into the building? davidpdx Jun 2014 #23

Yes. Only after the pro-Russian folks had shot into the pro-Ukrainian crowd. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #32

Again, you propagate a falsehood. There were two different events may 2cd newthinking Jun 2014 #65

You can't claim that there were two different events. They were part and parcel with one another. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #86

No I was referring to people throwing Molotov cocktails up several floors davidpdx Jun 2014 #82

I know. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #93

Some of us believe in worldwide working class solidarity....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #27

The Odessa riots had nothing to do with organized labor. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #33

Was the trade union building in Kiew burned and the people who fled........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #34

It actually was burned, as a matter of fact. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #36

Not to put TOO fine of a point on it, but you're ignoring..... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #39

Good post, thank you. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #42

None of the current parties in power won the election bares proof they were a minority junta newthinking Jun 2014 #69

+1000 nt. polly7 Jun 2014 #49

Exactly. newthinking Jun 2014 #68

Svoboda holds three cabinet seats out of a total of 20. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #94

Neo-nazi's in Executive positions in Kiev and integration of neo-nazi's is not propaganda newthinking Jun 2014 #66

Who?...nt SidDithers Jun 2014 #63