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Octafish

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34. IBM enabled the Holocaust. Imagine what NSA could do today?
Wed May 21, 2014, 08:03 AM
May 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

The late Sen. Frank Church, (D-Idaho) did imagine. He was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American. And he warned us, so NSA spied on him.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.


And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

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Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-PA) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT
Edwin Black discusses the re-issue of 'IBM and the Holocaust' at Yeshiva University Octafish May 2014 #1
Here's an interesting list of corporations that collaborated with the Nazis deutsey May 2014 #2
Big Names, all. Octafish May 2014 #3
also French cosmetic firm L'Oréal. mylye2222 May 2014 #5
Edwin Black documented how the NAZIs got inspiration from American Academia. Octafish May 2014 #8
This entire thread is excellent. hunter May 2014 #28
Tabulating machine Javaman May 2014 #4
Punch Hole No. 8 Octafish May 2014 #6
Hey, it's only metadata. What's your problem? /sarcasm k&r, nt. appal_jack May 2014 #13
What Hannah Arendt said... Octafish May 2014 #16
I saw that trending during my entire teaching career. Book collecting is still a good idea. ancianita May 2014 #19
And they got their rental payments through a Swiss bank all through the war. hobbit709 May 2014 #7
A few names for the record... Octafish May 2014 #14
IBM also set up the pass system in South Africa, developed the bar code for pass swiping. ancianita May 2014 #9
Final solutions for a small planet - the Use of Computers to Support Oppression Octafish May 2014 #15
Thanks for the link! Truths persist over time, no matter how deeply buried by history's 'winners.' ancianita May 2014 #17
They know they can get a way with it. CanSocDem May 2014 #10
Each NAZI concentration camp had a three digit Hollerith card code. Octafish May 2014 #21
And Mercedes Benz made the engines that powered the gas chambers. Hepburn May 2014 #11
Not BMW - a man was the ultimate slave driving machine... Octafish May 2014 #25
10 Global Businesses that Worked With the Nazis Javaman May 2014 #12
Nasty Business: Corporate Deals with NAZI Germany Octafish May 2014 #26
I'm not at all surprised to see that 90% of DU'ers knew this... Shandris May 2014 #18
DU Spreads Truth. Octafish May 2014 #27
Yes. Randi Rhodes covered this at length. Another reason her leaving radio is so tragic. SalviaBlue May 2014 #20
Randi always makes clear where she stands. Octafish May 2014 #29
Definitely knew about this Separation May 2014 #22
The Bush NAZI Coke Moonie Connection Octafish May 2014 #30
For those new to the subject...The Abominable Dr. Ishii and Gen. Willoughby Octafish May 2014 #32
It also enabled the atom bomb. rug May 2014 #23
Thank you, rug! Outstanding link and history. Octafish May 2014 #33
Important thread, k&r. nt bananas May 2014 #24
IBM enabled the Holocaust. Imagine what NSA could do today? Octafish May 2014 #34
Many people don't know this, but then many really don't know as Cleita May 2014 #31
Thanks to supercomputers and modern programming, we're a click away from 'Turnkey Tyranny.' Octafish May 2014 #36
It's stunning the extent we have regressed into what is a cyber Cleita May 2014 #38
Doña Cleita, you are most welcome. Just standing on the shoulders of giants... Octafish May 2014 #39
Just like the transatlantic slave trade was enabled by the dude who invented the BOAT. cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #35
Watson wasn't just Hitler's dining companion. Octafish May 2014 #37
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