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Five easy reasons to oppose ObamaTolls [View all] Demo_Chris May 2014 OP

When did this become a party that stopped supporting making driving more expensive? Recursion May 2014 #1

When somebody thinks they can get a hateon Obama and use all kinds of ignorant excuses. Cha May 2014 #2

I'm sure the Five Reasons to Resist ObamaGrazingFees thread is coming. nt msanthrope May 2014 #83

Nailed it. nt Bobbie Jo May 2014 #87

Stolen from another excellent DUer...jberryhill. Hell...I wanna know why no one msanthrope May 2014 #90

And don't get them started on those damned Obama tornadoes! 11 Bravo May 2014 #98

I'm sure the red states will eschew disaster relief and pull thenselves msanthrope May 2014 #102

The topic is the Working Class. But if you're not interested in the topic, you might want to start sabrina 1 May 2014 #113

Who, other than the radical affluent fringe... Demo_Chris May 2014 #4

1. We aren't in the depths of a depression Recursion May 2014 #5

When they tax the 1% like they should Politicalboi May 2014 #6

Jesus! That would hurt the poor much more than Interestate tolls Recursion May 2014 #7

Thank you! LuvNewcastle May 2014 #11

I know the poor drive older cars Politicalboi May 2014 #17

What about motorcycles? LuvNewcastle May 2014 #18

No not $2000 a year, sorry Politicalboi May 2014 #12

That's still more regressive than tolls, though Recursion May 2014 #14

Why charge more to register older cars? Travis_0004 May 2014 #33

What "they" should do.... jberryhill May 2014 #73

Well, I do, but I'm also one of those authoritarian toll-supporters Recursion May 2014 #79

Speak for yourself. Millions of working people ARE in a depression. Good for you if you are not sabrina 1 May 2014 #115

When it became apparent that we may actually have to spend more money... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #9

Our inability (unwillingness) to raise taxes on the rich derails many progressive ideas - pampango May 2014 #20

Hmm... Not sure I agree. Taxes in Europe are pretty damn regressive. Recursion May 2014 #21

The VAT like our FICA is regressive but their income taxes are high and progressive. pampango May 2014 #23

So, the only person who I know has looked at this is Yglesias... Recursion May 2014 #24

I am not familiar with Yglesias' analysis but income inequality is a huge problem and Europe pampango May 2014 #25

And our inability to cut military spending. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #117

When the black President suggested it. nt msanthrope May 2014 #32

You've just accused a majority of Democrats of being racist. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #66

When the shoe fits... Recursion May 2014 #67

So you're also accusing anyone who doesn't agree with your thesis of being racist? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #70

Well, I can't think of anything different besides the race of the person proposing it Recursion May 2014 #71

The difference is that one of these men is the current PRESIDENT. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #104

As if that's new? Doctor_J May 2014 #81

They're going to ignore this question as if it wasn't asked... uponit7771 May 2014 #75

I've noticed that too Recursion May 2014 #76

Majority of Democrats? Where? There are about 20-30 posters on DU who are msanthrope May 2014 #74

True that, Red States do not like to pay their fair share to care for their own. bettyellen May 2014 #106

I don't support making driving more expensive and never have. Adrahil May 2014 #64

When did it start? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #88

Electric cars are less expensive to drive.... By far when you consider the environment, duh. grahamhgreen May 2014 #109

When did our party want to make driving more expensive? ohnoyoudidnt May 2014 #126

Can't be the only one who saw obamatrolls Jesus Malverde May 2014 #3

That's what I saw, too. LuvNewcastle May 2014 #8

Its a bad idea unless your an investor Jesus Malverde May 2014 #13

That's exactly right. It would just be more welfare for the rich. LuvNewcastle May 2014 #19

Lulz Jesus Malverde May 2014 #22

Tolls on roads come in the absence of levying taxes to maintain infrastructure. Skidmore May 2014 #10

^^ This. ^^ intheflow May 2014 #131

Obamatrolls? Oh, it's ObamaTOLLS. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #15

I swear I saw that "r" there myself. It's certainly not inappropriate to have it there. corkhead May 2014 #26

Your post was alerted, believe it or not. 1000words May 2014 #129

Two big reasons to support them: Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #16

There are good ways and bad ways to accomplish those noble goals. Laelth May 2014 #28

The best you can do now is better than nothing now and something at some indeterminate date. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #31

I disagree with your fundamental analysis. Laelth May 2014 #37

EXACTLY!! What the fuck is going on with the place? Dawgs May 2014 #52

PBO loyalists are just doing what they often do. Laelth May 2014 #54

How about fuel taxes? customerserviceguy May 2014 #40

Sure, but it's also regressive Recursion May 2014 #89

There have been reasons advanced customerserviceguy May 2014 #133

I would agree IF... we had extensive, and good public transportation systems nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author dionysus May 2014 #128

Why not just increase the gas tax Travis_0004 May 2014 #29

But that doesn't accomplish other key goals. Pholus May 2014 #34

Exactly. I'd wager that both of these points are the actual goals of Nay May 2014 #59

How does that avoid the same criticism? A gas tax is also regressive (nt) Recursion May 2014 #68

The oil companues won't allow it pscot May 2014 #69

Fair to the affluent but costly to the poor! whistler162 May 2014 #95

There are other ways of accomplishing what you are promoting. rhett o rick May 2014 #111

Taxing transport is the only way to get people to drive less and buy more efficient vehicles. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #116

And what about those.... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #118

I love it when people say that they know "the only" way. "Taxing transport is the only way" rhett o rick May 2014 #130

How about this one? Laelth May 2014 #27

Not here in the northeast...where we blue states pay for bridges with tolls. nt msanthrope May 2014 #30

Perhaps. Laelth May 2014 #36

I bet those are primarily very red areas....who already aren't pulling their weight. nt msanthrope May 2014 #46

Mostly, yes. Laelth May 2014 #48

Why should they defend?? They should go on offense and demand msanthrope May 2014 #56

As a member of the DPG, I have to defend toll booths if the President proposes them. Laelth May 2014 #57

Go on the offensive.... you are choosing to defend. nt msanthrope May 2014 #58

This Bostonian is quite familiar with avoiding tolls (and their resultant traffic jams) HomerRamone May 2014 #47

Yeah, a tax increase right now is bad timing Doctor_J May 2014 #82

Overall, I have been pleased with Obama in his role as leader of the Democratic Party. Laelth May 2014 #86

Reason #6. Obama's proposing it!... SidDithers May 2014 #35

I honestly hope this is a bluff from the President. Laelth May 2014 #38

Well, yeah, if it's a bluff it's a stupid one. nt Nay May 2014 #60

Already... chervilant May 2014 #39

Poor people would be hurt. That should be reason enough. Lars39 May 2014 #41

They will do anything to avoid raising taxes on the wealthy. n/t Bonhomme Richard May 2014 #42

How would you suggest raising taxes on the wealthy when the GOP obstructs it every time? randome May 2014 #62

He should have done nothing and let the Bush tax cuts FULLY expire. SMC22307 May 2014 #119

if they are going to do this why not just hang an anchor around the neck of every Dem running ? KurtNYC May 2014 #43

I support tolls, if... Android3.14 May 2014 #44

F. 99Forever May 2014 #45

Frank lUntz testeD terminology alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #49

In answer to B & D, ever hear of open road tolling? eom MohRokTah May 2014 #50

Ever hear of a fifteen-dollar gallon of milk? How about a five dollar pack of gum? Ikonoklast May 2014 #132

I was under the impression that I already paid tolls to drive on interstates notadmblnd May 2014 #51

The ONLY acceptable way to charge for driving is making it progressive, not regressive. Dawgs May 2014 #53

For me, this one is visceral. woo me with science May 2014 #55

Had to log on just to give you a +1 for this comment. NCTraveler May 2014 #93

+2 Woo. bvar22 May 2014 #122

k/r some people get it nationalize the fed May 2014 #61

Your Point C is idiotic paranoia. randome May 2014 #63

Yeah. cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #91

So many of the Interstates back east are already toll roads alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #65

The northeast has had a massive exodux Harmony Blue May 2014 #72

Ohio and Indiana aren't the northeast alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #77

I think Exodux is a Pokemon jberryhill May 2014 #80

"ObamaToll"? Did Sean Hannitty coin that term? Throd May 2014 #78

Frank lUntz testeD alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #92

Pres. Obama's dumbest idea ever. MrTriumph May 2014 #84

Getting labor to work is a function of business and commerce. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #85

+1. n/t Laelth May 2014 #94

Cue the paid apologists bobduca May 2014 #96

6 it is an issue easy for the rethugs to frame and use as a club dembotoz May 2014 #97

Change you can toss in! nt HomerRamone May 2014 #99

You win this thread. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #105

I think we should increase gasoline tax. ZombieHorde May 2014 #100

Reason number six. Pure politics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #101

Conservatives are opposing the tolls too IronLionZion May 2014 #103

The problem is that if we cant get the 1% to pay their way, we are screwed. Why should be build rhett o rick May 2014 #114

You can add to D with JoeyT May 2014 #107

We are serfs, we are the labor for wealthy corporations. dilby May 2014 #108

I'll give you three out of five of those. progressoid May 2014 #110

My easy solution? Cut military spending, divert to roads. But Nooooo. The Straight Story May 2014 #112

Another Sign Of Who Obama Really Is colsohlibgal May 2014 #120

Give me a break. WHO doesn't want to tax babylonsister May 2014 #121

That post seemed accurate to me dreamnightwind May 2014 #136

F. Privatizing the roads will come soon after neverforget May 2014 #124

krecc Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #125

yes, that debbil "Obush", as i believe you called him, invented the concept of toll roads. dionysus May 2014 #127

Even worse than that! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #134

How does your strawman address anything I wrote? nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #135