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struggle4progress

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24. Carelessly jumbling stuff together produces useless fugged-up thought
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

I think Siegelman was railroaded

We know some details because Jill Simpson blew the whistle

Back in the Bush era, I did look at legalschnauzer now and then regarding the case -- but the main use, that I could make of the blog, was as an aid for tracking down credible reports about the case: Shuler himself wasn't really doing any original journalistic work on the subject, and his summaries of what was known were often rather garbled

To win our fights, we need accurate facts and careful analysis based on those facts. A certain healthy paranoia can guide our research into details, by suggesting where to look and what to seek, but it cannot substitute for the actual facts

Shuler's attitudes towards the courts resemble the notions of so-called "sovereign citizens" -- he doesn't think the courts are legitimate and so feels unobligated to take their orders and judgments seriously. When he loses a case and is found to owe his neighbor $1500, he just ignores it, and when his neighbor gets the judgment enforced, Shuler ignores that too, so his house is sold from under him, to collect the judgement: it's nuts. When he's sued for defamation after claiming someone had an extramarital affair, he doesn't bother to appear to defend himself, and when he's served with a court order to take down those posts, he throws the papers out his car window and ignores the order, so he pointlessly spends five months in jail for contempt: again, it's nuts . He may have had some arguments in those matters, but he loses by default, since he simply refuses to recognize ordinary legal process

If you treat attitudes towards Shuler as a surrogate for attitudes towards Siegelman, you simply hitch your wagon to a very strange duck without gaining anything in result

from the comments questionseverything Mar 2014 #1
Alabama GOP didn't like the part about a rising ''star'' sleeping with a married woman. Octafish Mar 2014 #2
thank you for keeping us informed questionseverything Mar 2014 #4
Pretty sad state of affairs when 100 state attorney generals get zero air-time. Octafish Mar 2014 #6
Part of Shuler's problem is that he always appears in court pro se but doesn't know jackshizz struggle4progress Mar 2014 #3
He's not ''batshit crazy.'' Octafish Mar 2014 #5
If you support him, don't just talk: help him get counsel and help him pay for it struggle4progress Mar 2014 #7
Wacky! I knew Democracy could count on you. Octafish Mar 2014 #8
... Mr. Shuler remains in jail, unwilling to take down his posts but also unwilling to hire a lawyer struggle4progress Mar 2014 #13
Thanks! He took down the posts. Octafish Mar 2014 #14
All links in my #13 refer to Shuler's wackadoodle pro se habit struggle4progress Mar 2014 #16
Got it! I figured that, as they didn't mention his release. Octafish Mar 2014 #17
SHULER et al v SWATEK et al demonstrates just how loony the world of Roger Shuler is: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #20
No offense, but I'll side with Shuler and Siegelman over Alabama just us. Octafish Mar 2014 #23
Carelessly jumbling stuff together produces useless fugged-up thought struggle4progress Mar 2014 #24
Shuler can be completely right about the Alabama GOP and still be batshit crazy about other things. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #9
I'm not a lawyer. Dr. Strange Mar 2014 #10
There are some circumstances under which service is invalid if procured by fraud. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #11
... “I’m not some whack job who doesn’t want help. I want legal help, but it has to be struggle4progress Mar 2014 #22
Agree with you and msanthrope, another attorney on DU who said the same. Octafish Mar 2014 #18
He was stopped by officers, served with the injunction, and threw the papers out his car window, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #21
Holy crap!! Did we just agree on something? nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #27
In general, yes, there are circumstances in which a court can make such an order. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #28
k & r and thanks once again Octafish! wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #12
Justice demands it. Shuler stood with Don Siegelman... Octafish Mar 2014 #15
Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #19
I just hope this guy goes right back to afflicting the people that put him in. idendoit Mar 2014 #25
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #26
He is a political prisoner. Alabama? More like Talibana. pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #29
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