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244. Tuesday Morning Privilege Kick for

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Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:15 AM

Mar 2014

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this could be pinned to the top of a few places around here Kali Mar 2014 #1

Like it, but I wish the stuff under 1 was just added to the stuff under 2. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #2

I'm sure you understand that I appreciate the power of "Shut the fuck up…" MrScorpio Mar 2014 #3

There's not a lot I understand around here. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #5

I agree. Well stated. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #9

STFU is a part of it gollygee Mar 2014 #10

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Oh the poor, abused straight, white male… My heart bleeds for your dismay MrScorpio Mar 2014 #67

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+1 freshwest Mar 2014 #292

well, one has to stop talking before one can listen. too many people decide to jump in guns blazing geek tragedy Mar 2014 #20

Yes, It's a form of a monologue. Not a dialogue. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #293

Mr. Scorpio, you are to be commended brush Mar 2014 #4

Damn good job Mr. scorpio! bravenak Mar 2014 #6

I'm KICKING this each and everyday ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #7

I'm kicking it with my afternoon tea. Heidi Mar 2014 #17

Now, we just need someone to KICK this with their evening adult beverage of choice. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #21

Hmmm... Heidi Mar 2014 #22

Its not a beverage I prefer, but before I "mellow and reflect" on my day and in my own way... Anansi1171 Mar 2014 #29

Your turn to kick it! Heidi Mar 2014 #90

11 PM west coast time. Not sure about the drink, unless you call Ensure an adult beverage... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #294

I'm kicking it with my morning java. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #23

Morning', sunshine! Heidi Mar 2014 #24

and ... Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #25

Here's a recipe. Heidi Mar 2014 #26

I never knew it by that name but, I have eaten this many times. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #27

:yum: Heidi Mar 2014 #30

CMW is a lucky man !! Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #32

There are various kinds of speck. Heidi Mar 2014 #33

That sounds wonderfully delicious. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #35

You know, Heidi, that sounds pretty darn good. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #205

Leather Britches title to one of my favorite fiddle tunes.. 2banon Mar 2014 #64

Tuesday Morning Privilege Kick for JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #244

This is decent, but there are also some flaws. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #8

#1 ties into the last panel... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #11

I'm afraid that you've missed my point here(no offense, but.....). AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #12

Well, Joe, this is where there's a problem. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #13

And you miss the point again. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #14

Funny you should mention Manning... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #40

On reverse racism.....I don't believe in it. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #44

So you're taking a position that racism in America is not systemic and institutional, right? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #45

That's not what I said. At all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #46

If you read early on, you'll notice that I said that POCs can exhibit prejudice or bigotry MrScorpio Mar 2014 #48

Still doesn't disprove my point, TBH. Not at all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #49

Alright, then consider this: MrScorpio Mar 2014 #57

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So if Farrakhan and Kambon are bigoted to one White person, they're bigoted to all White people? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #60

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Well then, why are subjecting yourself to this abuse? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #68

"The Powah"? Really dude...really??? U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #70

He's gone now. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #71

Your OP is like flypaper Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #72

I alerted to one too gollygee Mar 2014 #86

Oh thank goodness. U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #73

Yeah, this guy seems like he was a fucking idiot, TBH..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #209

You're not getting it, still. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #77

"None." is the correct answer, which is precisely why they can't possible BE racist in America. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #78

"It's not a difficult concept to understand." Wasn't difficult to debunk, either. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #79

As far as I'm concerned, they're confusing racism with bigotry and prejudice as well MrScorpio Mar 2014 #81

"The terms have become muddled." Yes, but not by who you think! AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #82

Well, lookie here... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #84

You have handled yourself well in the above dialogue, Bravo ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #184

"only to expose (if he were honest) that his own definition doesn't work for him." AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #192

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #196

"In this country" is a pretty critical distinction here eridani Mar 2014 #62

That is correct MrScorpio Mar 2014 #63

"Japanese people living in this country can't be racist." I'm sorry, but that is PURE baloney. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #83

A woman who teaches anti-racism seminars gollygee Mar 2014 #87

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*Some* People of Color may. Certainly not all, though. Not even a majority. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #91

Speaking for the majority of "people of color" now are we….maybe you should read the OP again? bettyellen Mar 2014 #93

Speaking from personal experience. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #95

Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism? bettyellen Mar 2014 #97

"Seems you want to elevate personal bigotry as a concern higher than systemic racism?" Not at all. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #106

It seems you didn't learn a single thing from the OP-w/your OT about personal bigotry against white bettyellen Mar 2014 #107

"It is a handy life skill- not imagining everything is about me me me." AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #108

You like to make claims about what most people think. gollygee Mar 2014 #110

"It's a Fox News talking point but not very convincing." How bloody ironic that is..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #112

Nobody said that black people are angry at all white people gollygee Mar 2014 #113

You are REALLY missing the point. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #114

I am not in a small "fringe" of people gollygee Mar 2014 #117

"I am not in a small "fringe" of people" Yes, you are. No matter how many friends you claim to have. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #118

Hold up- you haven't realized it's YOU with the fringe opinion here? Seriously? bettyellen Mar 2014 #152

Because it's true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #170

this is the kind of "nuance" that informs the teabagger woldview, and it is not mainstream liberal bettyellen Mar 2014 #182

Your opinion seems to quite strongly color your interpretation of what I have said. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #183

oh dear, you really need this OP more than anyone here, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #188

"since you think you know better than every African American on DU". Not true. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #191

It's true… You should apologize MrScorpio Mar 2014 #198

I'm afraid there's really nothing else to say. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #202

If I said it once, I've said it fifty times... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #217

all this boils down to is you want to use the words bigot and racist interchanagably.... bettyellen Mar 2014 #219

You still going at it? Wow. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #241

What you seem to ignore is that if you have a minority opinion you must change it. AngryAmish Mar 2014 #247

Poor baby - so opressed by liberal group think! Maybe the PC police will come visit him, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #260

your arguments are completely based on an non-issue, i.e. "kinda rare", yet you persist. bettyellen Mar 2014 #151

Could that be because ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #259

Yep, it's a completely selfish POV, that so easily dismisses the knowledge and experiences of bettyellen Mar 2014 #261

That is the chief complaint that POC ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #264

Hell yes, we see folk here who have absolutely no knowledge or experience with the stuggles of bettyellen Mar 2014 #265

In the late 80's ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #273

I came across the sexist version of this crap working in local politics, it was hard for me to see bettyellen Mar 2014 #277

I think what has many so shook ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #279

And this. bravenak Mar 2014 #285

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #286

It is a game of "me first", and I keep saying "what about someone else?" I think part of the reason bettyellen Mar 2014 #287

And that's exactly it ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #288

yep, I worked with one exceptional personal who was radically different, truly open minded..... bettyellen Mar 2014 #289

Does that mean that David Duke would stop being a racist shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #96

Yes, because he would have no social, political or economic advantages there n/t eridani Mar 2014 #100

Really? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #104

he'd be a bigot every moment of every flight,hope that helps. bettyellen Mar 2014 #105

"Racist" isn't really a noun gollygee Mar 2014 #111

So David Duke's not a racist at all? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #115

He's a bigot gollygee Mar 2014 #116

Golly! shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #187

Dictionaries simply reflect public usage gollygee Mar 2014 #190

Wowzee! shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #197

Whatamabobs, perhaps? I dunno. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #203

Those aren't parallel to "racist" gollygee Mar 2014 #246

Grammatically they are shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #290

Racism is not about personal attitudes, but about institutional structures. eridani Mar 2014 #119

It's about both, actually.(yes, that is a fact, btw) AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #193

Absolutely not. Because that's not how non-structural versions of racism work. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #194

I think you really should 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #157

You are still equating "privilege" with "wealth". VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208

Which makes sense, TBH. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #210

No it doesn't unless you are redefining the word... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #212

That mentally ill, queer, non-normative internally gender identified person, Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #15

Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Mar 2014 #16

Holy crap! Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #18

1-5 are things that are pretty good practices in general geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19

Can't argue with that, at least. I just wish it had been done better, that's all. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #50

Finally, the perfect mix of sanctimony and self-congratulatory gallantry. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2014 #28

There was absolutely nothing about the graphic that suggested you should hate yourself. Heidi Mar 2014 #31

My what an interesting reply! Rex Mar 2014 #34

Look, you're my friend, and that kind of hostility is not cool. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #47

I don't think that was quite the intention..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #53

Many people who enjoy martyring themselves for fun often infer self-hatred from where none exists... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #144

I honestly don't think she is.....not the impression I got, anyway. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #204

"cisgender"? Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #36

Never mind! Found it! Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #37

It's a term used for people who identify themselves by their outward gender appearance MrScorpio Mar 2014 #38

Thanks! Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2014 #39

So cisgender... JJChambers Mar 2014 #41

That's correct MrScorpio Mar 2014 #42

Makes sense. Thanks. JJChambers Mar 2014 #43

hey Skittles Mar 2014 #51

And you are absolutely correct! MrScorpio Mar 2014 #52

I do know, however Skittles Mar 2014 #59

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HAHAHAH!!!! MrScorpio Mar 2014 #75

awwwwwwwww Skittles Mar 2014 #80

Back so fast? U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #76

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I've hired a privilege manager to handle this for me. n/t Silent3 Mar 2014 #55

are you part of the 1%, Silent3? Skittles Mar 2014 #66

Had to get a couple of chuckles off at that. n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #92

Good post Nikia Mar 2014 #56

Lunchtime (UTC +1) kick! Heidi Mar 2014 #85

Everyone has some sort of privilege over someone else. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #94

Nope, the dead are no longer people. bettyellen Mar 2014 #98

My point is, everyone is privileged to some degree. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #102

Except the one lone person at the bottom of your own theoretical totem pole? And how does that bettyellen Mar 2014 #103

There's nothing theoretical about it. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #109

Interesting opinion... will certainly give it all the consideration it's actually worth. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #145

What is your point - exactly why is it important in terms of this discussion? bettyellen Mar 2014 #153

I've made my point. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #156

it's not a "point" unless you establish it's actually relevant here. It appears you cannot. bettyellen Mar 2014 #161

I have shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #99

Opinion and assertion phil89 Mar 2014 #101

Wow, thoughtful response. LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #155

This sums up some reactions here Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #120

! Heidi Mar 2014 #125

Good morning Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #130

Me, too! Heidi Mar 2014 #132

It drives me nuts Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #134

Yep. Heidi Mar 2014 #136

kinda contradicts that whole first point there hfojvt Mar 2014 #168

It's fine with me if you disagree. Heidi Mar 2014 #171

LEAVE WHITE GUYS ALONE Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #172

That's poking fun at the people who DON'T GET IT, not at people who have privilege. cyberswede Mar 2014 #180

people who love to tell other people they have privilege hfojvt Mar 2014 #240

For the last time, it's not about individual people. cyberswede Mar 2014 #256

you probably should make up your mind hfojvt Mar 2014 #257

The "them" is white people, collectively, in society. Regardless of individual situation. cyberswede Mar 2014 #258

so, again, it IS about individuals hfojvt Mar 2014 #263

Funny how you think this is all about you as an individual. bravenak Mar 2014 #267

As someone recently wrote, mockingly, in a thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #268

That is like, one of my favorite jokes!! bravenak Mar 2014 #269

Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #274

OMG! He was being serious?? Pobrecito. bravenak Mar 2014 #275

stole MY job? hfojvt Mar 2014 #282

Thats how you made it sound sweetie. bravenak Mar 2014 #284

it's not all about me hfojvt Mar 2014 #281

I cannot believe you said that. Mitt Romney said someting similar. bravenak Mar 2014 #283

Oh my! cyberswede Mar 2014 #135

well I always wondered hfojvt Mar 2014 #165

Having the same shitty job while being a person of color is worse. nt cyberswede Mar 2014 #177

but that still ignores 60% of the data hfojvt Mar 2014 #242

Wow. Imagine how much more your life might suck Heidi Mar 2014 #179

it might hfojvt Mar 2014 #243

As long as we never have to talk about CLASS, the PTB approve of this message. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #121

There's nothing in the graphic that excludes any discussion about class privilege MrScorpio Mar 2014 #122

I guess the cartoonist just "forgot" to mention it. Ooops! nt Romulox Mar 2014 #123

I took it as piece about privilege in general MrScorpio Mar 2014 #124

But class isn't mentioned? It's a MAJOR "oversight", made time and again. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #126

But you're doing your part to bring attention to class privilege right now MrScorpio Mar 2014 #127

LOL. First off is to even acknowledge the concept. That is rarely done, and this isn't the first Romulox Mar 2014 #128

Good observation. And what else? MrScorpio Mar 2014 #129

Uh-huh. It sounds like you'd like to have a respectful exchange on the matter. Romulox Mar 2014 #138

I apologize that I've given you that impression MrScorpio Mar 2014 #158

It seems some folks feel entitled to a higher "class" Heidi Mar 2014 #176

What an odd statement. "Class" applies to People of Color as well. Things that benefit the lower Romulox Mar 2014 #255

The graphic IS missing a HUGE part of the discussion. And I believe it's not an accident. Romulox Mar 2014 #248

So, do you think that class privilege trumps race, gender or sexual orientation privilege? nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #250

Nope. I think they work concurrently and reinforce one another. Like I've said all along. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #252

"We can't pay any attention to racism until there are no poor white people." gollygee Mar 2014 #131

Ding Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #133

Bullshit. I never said anything like that. I said "privilege" should include class. Romulox Mar 2014 #137

In every thread about racism gollygee Mar 2014 #139

Ummm, this thread is about PRIVILEGE, not "racism". This is the problem. Romulox Mar 2014 #140

They are flip sides of the same thing gollygee Mar 2014 #141

And class is central in the same way. That wasn't expressed in the cartoon. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #142

Class is an overreaching problem that is not directly related gollygee Mar 2014 #143

Again, this is a discussion of *privilege*, and therefore a discussion of class is appropriate. Romulox Mar 2014 #146

Yes there is class privilege and it is huge gollygee Mar 2014 #147

This thread is about *PRIVILEGE*. It is appropriate to discuss class privilege here. Romulox Mar 2014 #148

If you brought it up as a discussion rather than an attempt gollygee Mar 2014 #149

You make a good point. nt Romulox Mar 2014 #150

Please re-read Point 1, re: dominating the discussion and dictating the language, etc. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #159

Yep. Controlling the narrative about others' experiences, or feeling entitled to control it, Heidi Mar 2014 #162

And to explain why that is so offensive ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #164

Unfortunately, the majority of the controlling of the narrative in this case..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #207

But i have been reading you dominate this entire thread. bravenak Mar 2014 #213

" But i have been reading you dominate this entire thread." A significant number of comments..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #215

Then re read it. bravenak Mar 2014 #218

Opposing and debunking you is NOT controlling you... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #230

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This thread is about PRIVILEGE. Is it dominated by voices of the lower class? I think not. Romulox Mar 2014 #249

whatever class you are in will ALSO be effected by your gender, race, orientation etc.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #229

And whatever race you are, you will ALSO be affected by class. Where is the contradiction or Romulox Mar 2014 #253

and more adversely so if you are a woman and or a minority and or homosexual..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #262

BINGO ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #163

Lunchtime (UTC +1). Heidi Mar 2014 #245

"every thread about racism" hfojvt Mar 2014 #167

How come you think white people should get to do all the talking about Racism? bravenak Mar 2014 #201

That's not the impression I've been getting from him, TBH. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #206

You're the one that knows more about racism than black people. bravenak Mar 2014 #211

"You're the one that knows more about racism than black people." Never implied such. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #214

You are trying to do all the talking and all the deciding. And you come from a place of privilege. bravenak Mar 2014 #216

If I may chime in... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #220

I hope it is performance art. bravenak Mar 2014 #222

THIS! thank you, B! bettyellen Mar 2014 #224

No problem. bravenak Mar 2014 #225

"We're probably at about seven bucks worth of your fifteen centses." Number23 Mar 2014 #227

Poor guy. Nobody lets him finish. bravenak Mar 2014 #236

Look below. Better make that $7.15 worth of his fifteen centses Number23 Mar 2014 #237

I thought he was done, but hell naw! bravenak Mar 2014 #239

..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #235

You do not always HAVE to say something, honey. bravenak Mar 2014 #238

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Really Darcy, i think you are in the wrong place to spread your bile. bravenak Mar 2014 #223

He has been escorted from the premises. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #226

So ugly. bravenak Mar 2014 #231

Very much so, but your response was excellent. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #232

A lot of name removed's on this one. bravenak Mar 2014 #234

sometimes it would be nice if we did talk about racism hfojvt Mar 2014 #166

I can't believe he called you a racist Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #169

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Welcome to DU Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #174

Oh, yeah. I'm just sure that one is a lifelong "democrat". I don't believe he's got a grandmother, Squinch Mar 2014 #185

Wait until he finds out that some of the people who work at the nursing home Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #189

"As a lifelong democrat . . . " gollygee Mar 2014 #186

Agreed. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #195

apparently there are parts of that choir that still need some preaching to... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #233

Big K&R... daleanime Mar 2014 #154

KnR. nt tblue37 Mar 2014 #160

k&r the flypaper thread uppityperson Mar 2014 #175

LOL cyberswede Mar 2014 #178

"Racial and gender entitlement knows no class system..." Zenlitened Mar 2014 #199

"Privilege is a fact, not an insult" MrScorpio Mar 2014 #200

"White men of all classes benefit from a system based on racial and gender inequality." Number23 Mar 2014 #228

It is a truth that makes them very uncomfortable. That it has been slowly slipping away is why so bettyellen Mar 2014 #266

But understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #270

Winner winner chicken dinner!! bravenak Mar 2014 #276

Class is the most overriding, all-encompassing privilege that exists in America. Denial is strong! Romulox Mar 2014 #251

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #271

I think maybe your sentence could be edited to read... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #272

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #278

Perfectly said Number23 Mar 2014 #291

Says a white man. kwassa Mar 2014 #280

K&R Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #254

Always a thought-provoking post, Mr Scorpio. Sorry I'm late to the party, but here's a KnR anyway. Hekate Mar 2014 #295