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Romulox

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100. Actually, the "privilege" framing suggests that the problem is solved by arresting more whites.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:53 PM
Feb 2014

It's not a "privilege" not to be targeted by a racist War on Drugs--it's a basic right as a US citizen.

People of color in America are clearly target by a racist War on Drugs (one perpetuated by a black President and Attorney General, I will point out!) But it also doesn't mean we can solve the problem by incarcerating more white people for non-violent drug crimes, which is one logical inference of the "privilege" framing--we need to end the racist War on Drugs and stop filling for-profit prison with young Americans of any and all colors, and that's the only solution that will lead to social justice.

White privilege doesn't just target African Americans, fyi. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #1
Yes, thank you. I will edit. BainsBane Feb 2014 #2
I agree. It is ignorant to deny it. Racist to fight against discussing it. morningfog Feb 2014 #3
"It is ignorant to deny it. Racist to fight against discussing it." Are you serious? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #7
Serious. And fine with "fucking crass." morningfog Feb 2014 #10
So if white people aren't unfairly advantaged in society, then what does that imply? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #76
" So if white people aren't unfairly advantaged in society," AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #115
It's not that complicated. I think you're *making* it more complicated than it needs to be, frankly. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #121
"Again, why the need to complicate things?" I could ask you guys the same effing thing! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #123
Your use of the word "fuck" was crass. The OP was not, and it was a correct statement. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #102
And here we have more folks who quibble with your words Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #108
Maybe white people in general shouldn't position themselves as such experts on other races. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #122
I don't think ANY *individual* should try to dominate. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #126
If the problem is really only one of semantics, then why are you so adamant about this? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #130
Because it hasn't worked as a teaching tool for the general public. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #134
Okay, so I guess we're at an impasse. "Agree to disagree" comes to mind nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #135
That's fair, I suppose. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #136
this is like Misogynists being upset at being called VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #154
I agree, and yet that's exactly what BainsBane is doing. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #133
I tend to agree with her on most things, but I admit she probably overstepped there. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #138
That post was to the OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #143
I actually forgot about that last part - which now seems like a major oversight. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #144
You continue to falsify by quoting out of context BainsBane Feb 2014 #142
Transference much? I don't restate others' opinions, Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #146
i find those who have problem with these terms being used are often JI7 Feb 2014 #4
It does seem to always be the same people. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #103
It should, but DU jumped the shark several years ago in that regard. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #5
but hey, if they are Good Faith conservatives it's okie dokie Whisp Feb 2014 #8
Do you mean "anti-choice" arguments lillypaddle Feb 2014 #109
Must have missed the "pro-life" crap. Thank god...nt. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #147
I have seen an improvement over the last two years. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #86
I support all people of all struggle Whisp Feb 2014 #6
LOL ... Collective Shame? 1000words Feb 2014 #9
Gonna have to agree. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #19
Regardless of your disagreement, delrem Feb 2014 #43
Fair enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #44
I share your sentiment. delrem Feb 2014 #45
That's fair, I guess. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #46
The problem is, not only is what you've said not true re: discussion...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #11
Ask your "working class white man in a beat-up old car" if he'd rather be a black man. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #14
Then ask him if he'd rather be a black woman. merrily Feb 2014 #22
Leave it to you, Scarletwoman, to cut to the heart if it. myrna minx Feb 2014 #88
Aw shucks, thanks. Still, it's not rocket surgery. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #145
Yep, that defines "White Privilege" alright. RC Mar 2014 #157
Wouldn't hurt to admit it exists though brush Feb 2014 #16
I'm in the middle of studying some of this right now laundry_queen Feb 2014 #104
A more reasonable response than most others I've gotten so far, TBH. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #118
I think arguing the semantics is dishonest. But that's just me. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #137
I don't deny it but AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #12
meh woolldog Feb 2014 #13
+1 Desert805 Feb 2014 #48
Great that you have the luxury of dismissing all this stuff... I'm happy for you, honestly! n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #77
I don't. woolldog Feb 2014 #84
I understand what you're saying. But when some seem hostile to fairly basic progressive ideas nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #85
My idea of "fairly basic progressive ideas", are not threads calling out and lecturing DUers. RC Mar 2014 #158
I know my family history and it overflowed with white privilege. Was some of it earned? freshwest Feb 2014 #15
What is earned privilege? El_Johns Feb 2014 #29
They were workers. Without opportunity, they couldn't have kept their place, which was a good one. freshwest Feb 2014 #36
I didn't mean it in terms of your family. I was asking about the general concept of earned El_Johns Feb 2014 #37
I didn't just speak about my family. Opportunities we had were a form of privilege. freshwest Feb 2014 #39
I asked what an earned privilege was. You gave me an example of an unearned privilege. El_Johns Feb 2014 #40
ha. Buh-bye. Enjoy your pizza. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #105
Thank you for letting me know that and thanks, EarlG! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #111
Thank you for sharing your family experience JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #87
I truly enjoy reading your posts. Raine1967 Feb 2014 #106
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #17
Not repeating myself either. This is what I said. Rex Feb 2014 #18
Another shaming thread? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #20
Low because it doesn't cater to the ego of a few white men BainsBane Feb 2014 #27
Oh boy. Desert805 Feb 2014 #50
I agree for the most part, but I would have included white women in that framing. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #54
As am I BainsBane Feb 2014 #61
It's just a basic appeal to shame LittleBlue Feb 2014 #67
I edited the title BainsBane Feb 2014 #73
Sad but very true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #49
In your quest to end discrimination, which path would you choose... Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #53
Actually, the "privilege" framing suggests that the problem is solved by arresting more whites. Romulox Feb 2014 #100
People who have never been discriminated against for merrily Feb 2014 #21
For the record I dont deny "white privilege". But I have a hard time dealing with all the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #23
Equal rights is a pretty basic value BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
Why do you keep posting things like above that have no bearing on whats being said??? 1awake Feb 2014 #57
I appreciate your intentions. I just thought it was a little too much to tell people rhett o rick Feb 2014 #95
one cannot feel shame for the behaviors of other people. nice try tho nt msongs Feb 2014 #24
"a handful of white members" ...control discussion? Skip Intro Feb 2014 #25
Seemed kinda self-referential to me. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #31
When you assume... Skip Intro Feb 2014 #32
The link is in the OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #38
Nothing there about a handfull of white members controlling discussion here. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #41
Even if she did, you'd probably deny/downplay them anyway... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74
I'm mostly disgusted. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #26
I am pretty new but if I did not know better. dilby Feb 2014 #28
"5% is about actually pushing progressive ideas." = indeed. El_Johns Feb 2014 #30
It's meant to support the handful of people of color left on DU BainsBane Feb 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Desert805 Feb 2014 #51
Take time to actually understand what you're reading, and try to THINK before you write. Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #79
Sorry, but seems he/she has a pretty firm grasp of current circumstances here. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #93
LOL. You left out fighting about Obama and guns and Glen Greenwald and... DanTex Feb 2014 #92
Yes, dealing with racism and white privilege is pushing a progressive idea gollygee Feb 2014 #94
"White privilege" isn't progressive, sadly. At least that's not how it is used now! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #116
No, it isn't kooky or far-left gollygee Feb 2014 #120
That's what it seems to have become, though. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #124
... redqueen Feb 2014 #129
Anyone who uses the term "far left" in reference to anything on DU or Firedoglake Maedhros Feb 2014 #139
Probably less than 5%. Though I've yet to find a progressive website or blog that spends much time Chathamization Mar 2014 #155
Divide and conquer...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #33
It Is Not "White Privilege", It is Non-Whites Being Denied Their Rights AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #42
+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #47
I have to agree, to be honest. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #52
It isn't exclusively about rights. It's not only about legislation. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #56
+1 freshwest Feb 2014 #83
It is not always about legal rights, though. merrily Feb 2014 #58
Not entirely. I know, as a white woman, my chances of being prosecuted for possessing pot Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #59
Or maybe advocate the legalization of drugs, making the whole rights thing moot. El_Johns Feb 2014 #62
Nonsense. It doesn't make it moot. BainsBane Feb 2014 #63
It does so far as the issue of disparate sentencing for drugs goes. Which is what I thought you were El_Johns Feb 2014 #64
I find your comment bizarre, in that you did not address the issue of white privilege. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #66
My point was that the two choices you outlined were in fact not the only choices. El_Johns Feb 2014 #68
And that I do. But doing so will not address other color based inequities in our justice system or.. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #65
No. Where did I claim it would? El_Johns Feb 2014 #69
And where did I claim you said it didn't? You seem hell bent on not addressing the here and now Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #70
I'm perfectly aware of it, as you can see by searching my posts. Such as: El_Johns Feb 2014 #71
Assumption of malice is the raison d'etre for some DUers. After all, if ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #107
Exactly. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #117
We can advocate for less prosecution without..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #132
Upgraded to 'privileges' wouldn't you say? As though they were something special rather than a El_Johns Feb 2014 #60
Agreed. And I have no idea who decided to muddy the issue LittleBlue Feb 2014 #72
"The right is probably jealous of whoever created it." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #78
Or like "You have to be as outraged as me or you are x/y/z"? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #81
Your first couple of paragraphs are a bit of a strawman. The rest, though, is perfectly valid. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #82
It's also dishonest to say that people who analyze the problem differently deny racism. Romulox Feb 2014 #99
It exists but many people simply can not accept it LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #55
"Economically liberal social conservatives?" Would these be the same folks who tout their anti-war, nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #75
It's disappointing to see "liberals" deny the existence of white privilege JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #80
It's embarassing to post on a democratic website boston bean Feb 2014 #89
*^*^*^THIS^*^*^* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #91
Keep sweet! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #98
+1000000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #131
The problem with MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #90
What do you think gollygee Feb 2014 #97
Everything from not supporting a certain policy MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #110
How do you or I know gollygee Feb 2014 #114
This! Frankly, when I see them belittling, laughing, making snide jokes, ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #125
"I find it hard to believe that a few here wouldn't/couldn't have a racist bone in their body." AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #127
So that should make it okay? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #128
That is *extremely* fucking unfortunate, TBH. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #119
redefine? BainsBane Feb 2014 #101
I would guess that many don't accept the framing - I don't badtoworse Feb 2014 #96
well, at least on this site, 91% accept the framing. kwassa Mar 2014 #151
Rights and privileges are not the same things badtoworse Mar 2014 #160
It isn't actually about denying rights. kwassa Mar 2014 #162
Yours is the best explanation I've seen on the issue badtoworse Mar 2014 #164
Thanks! kwassa Mar 2014 #167
Thanks for this thread, BB YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #112
Indeed. KamaAina Feb 2014 #113
"Disappointing", but not at all surprising. There's a "libertarianism" that has infected the left. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #140
It really has BainsBane Feb 2014 #141
So what do you propose to fix the problem of white privilege? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #148
Didn't you say you were in an MA program in archeology/anthropology? BainsBane Mar 2014 #149
So you've got nothing? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #156
The link is at the top of the screen, in the OP BainsBane Mar 2014 #159
You provide no substance in your link. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #161
Thanks, well said. blackspade Mar 2014 #150
is it your position that everyone must subscribe to Critical Race Theory? Enrique Mar 2014 #152
They could just read what African American members of this site BainsBane Mar 2014 #153
You know, here's the deal. CTyankee Mar 2014 #165
In most of the law suits BainsBane Mar 2014 #168
I should buy stock in the Sackcloth and Ashes whistler162 Mar 2014 #163
Genealogy loyalsister Mar 2014 #166
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