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White privilege doesn't just target African Americans, fyi. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #1
Yes, thank you. I will edit. BainsBane Feb 2014 #2
I agree. It is ignorant to deny it. Racist to fight against discussing it. morningfog Feb 2014 #3
"It is ignorant to deny it. Racist to fight against discussing it." Are you serious? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #7
Serious. And fine with "fucking crass." morningfog Feb 2014 #10
So if white people aren't unfairly advantaged in society, then what does that imply? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #76
" So if white people aren't unfairly advantaged in society," AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #115
It's not that complicated. I think you're *making* it more complicated than it needs to be, frankly. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #121
"Again, why the need to complicate things?" I could ask you guys the same effing thing! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #123
Your use of the word "fuck" was crass. The OP was not, and it was a correct statement. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #102
And here we have more folks who quibble with your words Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #108
Maybe white people in general shouldn't position themselves as such experts on other races. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #122
I don't think ANY *individual* should try to dominate. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #126
If the problem is really only one of semantics, then why are you so adamant about this? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #130
Because it hasn't worked as a teaching tool for the general public. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #134
Okay, so I guess we're at an impasse. "Agree to disagree" comes to mind nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #135
That's fair, I suppose. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #136
this is like Misogynists being upset at being called VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #154
I agree, and yet that's exactly what BainsBane is doing. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #133
I tend to agree with her on most things, but I admit she probably overstepped there. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #138
That post was to the OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #143
I actually forgot about that last part - which now seems like a major oversight. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #144
You continue to falsify by quoting out of context BainsBane Feb 2014 #142
Transference much? I don't restate others' opinions, Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #146
i find those who have problem with these terms being used are often JI7 Feb 2014 #4
It does seem to always be the same people. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #103
It should, but DU jumped the shark several years ago in that regard. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #5
but hey, if they are Good Faith conservatives it's okie dokie Whisp Feb 2014 #8
Do you mean "anti-choice" arguments lillypaddle Feb 2014 #109
Must have missed the "pro-life" crap. Thank god...nt. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #147
I have seen an improvement over the last two years. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #86
I support all people of all struggle Whisp Feb 2014 #6
LOL ... Collective Shame? 1000words Feb 2014 #9
Gonna have to agree. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #19
Regardless of your disagreement, delrem Feb 2014 #43
Fair enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #44
I share your sentiment. delrem Feb 2014 #45
That's fair, I guess. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #46
The problem is, not only is what you've said not true re: discussion...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #11
Ask your "working class white man in a beat-up old car" if he'd rather be a black man. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #14
Then ask him if he'd rather be a black woman. merrily Feb 2014 #22
Leave it to you, Scarletwoman, to cut to the heart if it. myrna minx Feb 2014 #88
Aw shucks, thanks. Still, it's not rocket surgery. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #145
Yep, that defines "White Privilege" alright. RC Mar 2014 #157
Wouldn't hurt to admit it exists though brush Feb 2014 #16
I'm in the middle of studying some of this right now laundry_queen Feb 2014 #104
A more reasonable response than most others I've gotten so far, TBH. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #118
I think arguing the semantics is dishonest. But that's just me. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #137
I don't deny it but AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #12
meh woolldog Feb 2014 #13
+1 Desert805 Feb 2014 #48
Great that you have the luxury of dismissing all this stuff... I'm happy for you, honestly! n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #77
I don't. woolldog Feb 2014 #84
I understand what you're saying. But when some seem hostile to fairly basic progressive ideas nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #85
My idea of "fairly basic progressive ideas", are not threads calling out and lecturing DUers. RC Mar 2014 #158
I know my family history and it overflowed with white privilege. Was some of it earned? freshwest Feb 2014 #15
What is earned privilege? El_Johns Feb 2014 #29
They were workers. Without opportunity, they couldn't have kept their place, which was a good one. freshwest Feb 2014 #36
I didn't mean it in terms of your family. I was asking about the general concept of earned El_Johns Feb 2014 #37
I didn't just speak about my family. Opportunities we had were a form of privilege. freshwest Feb 2014 #39
I asked what an earned privilege was. You gave me an example of an unearned privilege. El_Johns Feb 2014 #40
ha. Buh-bye. Enjoy your pizza. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #105
Thank you for letting me know that and thanks, EarlG! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #111
Thank you for sharing your family experience JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #87
I truly enjoy reading your posts. Raine1967 Feb 2014 #106
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #17
Not repeating myself either. This is what I said. Rex Feb 2014 #18
Another shaming thread? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #20
Low because it doesn't cater to the ego of a few white men BainsBane Feb 2014 #27
Oh boy. Desert805 Feb 2014 #50
I agree for the most part, but I would have included white women in that framing. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #54
As am I BainsBane Feb 2014 #61
It's just a basic appeal to shame LittleBlue Feb 2014 #67
I edited the title BainsBane Feb 2014 #73
Sad but very true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #49
In your quest to end discrimination, which path would you choose... Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #53
Actually, the "privilege" framing suggests that the problem is solved by arresting more whites. Romulox Feb 2014 #100
People who have never been discriminated against for merrily Feb 2014 #21
For the record I dont deny "white privilege". But I have a hard time dealing with all the rhett o rick Feb 2014 #23
Equal rights is a pretty basic value BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
Why do you keep posting things like above that have no bearing on whats being said??? 1awake Feb 2014 #57
I appreciate your intentions. I just thought it was a little too much to tell people rhett o rick Feb 2014 #95
one cannot feel shame for the behaviors of other people. nice try tho nt msongs Feb 2014 #24
"a handful of white members" ...control discussion? Skip Intro Feb 2014 #25
Seemed kinda self-referential to me. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #31
When you assume... Skip Intro Feb 2014 #32
The link is in the OP BainsBane Feb 2014 #38
Nothing there about a handfull of white members controlling discussion here. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #41
Even if she did, you'd probably deny/downplay them anyway... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74
I'm mostly disgusted. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #26
I am pretty new but if I did not know better. dilby Feb 2014 #28
"5% is about actually pushing progressive ideas." = indeed. El_Johns Feb 2014 #30
It's meant to support the handful of people of color left on DU BainsBane Feb 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Desert805 Feb 2014 #51
Take time to actually understand what you're reading, and try to THINK before you write. Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #79
Sorry, but seems he/she has a pretty firm grasp of current circumstances here. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #93
LOL. You left out fighting about Obama and guns and Glen Greenwald and... DanTex Feb 2014 #92
Yes, dealing with racism and white privilege is pushing a progressive idea gollygee Feb 2014 #94
"White privilege" isn't progressive, sadly. At least that's not how it is used now! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #116
No, it isn't kooky or far-left gollygee Feb 2014 #120
That's what it seems to have become, though. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #124
... redqueen Feb 2014 #129
Anyone who uses the term "far left" in reference to anything on DU or Firedoglake Maedhros Feb 2014 #139
Probably less than 5%. Though I've yet to find a progressive website or blog that spends much time Chathamization Mar 2014 #155
Divide and conquer...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #33
It Is Not "White Privilege", It is Non-Whites Being Denied Their Rights AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #42
+1 Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #47
I have to agree, to be honest. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #52
It isn't exclusively about rights. It's not only about legislation. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #56
+1 freshwest Feb 2014 #83
It is not always about legal rights, though. merrily Feb 2014 #58
Not entirely. I know, as a white woman, my chances of being prosecuted for possessing pot Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #59
Or maybe advocate the legalization of drugs, making the whole rights thing moot. El_Johns Feb 2014 #62
Nonsense. It doesn't make it moot. BainsBane Feb 2014 #63
It does so far as the issue of disparate sentencing for drugs goes. Which is what I thought you were El_Johns Feb 2014 #64
I find your comment bizarre, in that you did not address the issue of white privilege. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #66
My point was that the two choices you outlined were in fact not the only choices. El_Johns Feb 2014 #68
And that I do. But doing so will not address other color based inequities in our justice system or.. Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #65
No. Where did I claim it would? El_Johns Feb 2014 #69
And where did I claim you said it didn't? You seem hell bent on not addressing the here and now Luminous Animal Feb 2014 #70
I'm perfectly aware of it, as you can see by searching my posts. Such as: El_Johns Feb 2014 #71
Assumption of malice is the raison d'etre for some DUers. After all, if ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #107
Exactly. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #117
We can advocate for less prosecution without..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #132
Upgraded to 'privileges' wouldn't you say? As though they were something special rather than a El_Johns Feb 2014 #60
Agreed. And I have no idea who decided to muddy the issue LittleBlue Feb 2014 #72
"The right is probably jealous of whoever created it." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #78
Or like "You have to be as outraged as me or you are x/y/z"? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #81
Your first couple of paragraphs are a bit of a strawman. The rest, though, is perfectly valid. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #82
It's also dishonest to say that people who analyze the problem differently deny racism. Romulox Feb 2014 #99
It exists but many people simply can not accept it LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #55
"Economically liberal social conservatives?" Would these be the same folks who tout their anti-war, nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #75
It's disappointing to see "liberals" deny the existence of white privilege JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #80
It's embarassing to post on a democratic website boston bean Feb 2014 #89
*^*^*^THIS^*^*^* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #91
Keep sweet! Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #98
+1000000000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #131
The problem with MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #90
What do you think gollygee Feb 2014 #97
Everything from not supporting a certain policy MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #110
How do you or I know gollygee Feb 2014 #114
This! Frankly, when I see them belittling, laughing, making snide jokes, ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #125
"I find it hard to believe that a few here wouldn't/couldn't have a racist bone in their body." AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #127
So that should make it okay? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #128
That is *extremely* fucking unfortunate, TBH. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #119
redefine? BainsBane Feb 2014 #101
I would guess that many don't accept the framing - I don't badtoworse Feb 2014 #96
well, at least on this site, 91% accept the framing. kwassa Mar 2014 #151
Rights and privileges are not the same things badtoworse Mar 2014 #160
It isn't actually about denying rights. kwassa Mar 2014 #162
Yours is the best explanation I've seen on the issue badtoworse Mar 2014 #164
Thanks! kwassa Mar 2014 #167
Thanks for this thread, BB YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #112
Indeed. KamaAina Feb 2014 #113
"Disappointing", but not at all surprising. There's a "libertarianism" that has infected the left. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #140
It really has BainsBane Feb 2014 #141
So what do you propose to fix the problem of white privilege? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #148
Didn't you say you were in an MA program in archeology/anthropology? BainsBane Mar 2014 #149
So you've got nothing? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #156
The link is at the top of the screen, in the OP BainsBane Mar 2014 #159
You provide no substance in your link. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #161
Thanks, well said. blackspade Mar 2014 #150
is it your position that everyone must subscribe to Critical Race Theory? Enrique Mar 2014 #152
They could just read what African American members of this site BainsBane Mar 2014 #153
You know, here's the deal. CTyankee Mar 2014 #165
In most of the law suits BainsBane Mar 2014 #168
I should buy stock in the Sackcloth and Ashes whistler162 Mar 2014 #163
Genealogy loyalsister Mar 2014 #166
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