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not all racism is conscious discrimination. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #1
The example I used ("stop and frisk") probably results in a fair bit of unconscoious discrimination, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #2
people who get their undies in a bunch over the phrase "white privilege" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4
Not really 1awake Feb 2014 #16
oh lordy nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #18
Then you aren't getting what it is. Squinch Feb 2014 #110
Or... people don't understand the impossibility of grouping 1awake Feb 2014 #122
Then I'll say again, you don't understand what it is. Squinch Feb 2014 #125
Sure lol, whatever you say. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #126
Here's the part that I don't get... CANDO Feb 2014 #187
I'm white, dear. Squinch Feb 2014 #190
The endless white privelege threads are meaningless. CANDO Feb 2014 #202
Who, in this thread said anything about there not being any jobs? Why are you insisting that this Squinch Feb 2014 #212
Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one! CANDO Feb 2014 #214
again, back to the OP hfojvt Feb 2014 #309
That's exactly what I'm taking about. bravenak Feb 2014 #237
I'm never gonna have a daughter hfojvt Feb 2014 #307
You are boring me. bravenak Feb 2014 #308
against boredom hfojvt Feb 2014 #311
My old gods more than most. bravenak Feb 2014 #335
all the old gods are dead hfojvt Feb 2014 #352
No, the real old gods. bravenak Feb 2014 #360
Privilege? Privilege? CANDO Feb 2014 #419
You are so angry!! bravenak Feb 2014 #420
Wow...just wow! onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #273
Than you JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #349
Very ugly. nt clarice Feb 2014 #392
We didn't start this ugliness... onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #403
No no no no.... CANDO Feb 2014 #416
Wow! bravenak Feb 2014 #418
"Constantly bitching about white privilege? onpatrol98 Mar 2014 #433
Damn! M0rpheus Mar 2014 #435
if it doesn't effect all hfojvt Feb 2014 #303
I'm not sure If I should laugh or cry after reading that. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #374
American Privilege is even more damaging, especially to all those countries where America, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #430
If you think that "every person in the country" says "I oppose racial discrimination" Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #21
really, how many Republican members of Congress or state geek tragedy Feb 2014 #25
Ummm... you said "every person in the country". (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #39
"Let's work to end discrimination" is a better approachstill. RC Feb 2014 #3
Yeah, and bandying the term "male privilege" about doesn't usually help either (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #6
Bandying that term about is a form of discrimination itself. RC Feb 2014 #35
! redqueen Feb 2014 #44
Oh, dear. You just said that, didn't you? Squinch Feb 2014 #113
Why yes I did. RC Feb 2014 #131
Couldn't possibly be disagreement with your position, though, could it? Squinch Feb 2014 #136
Naa, especially when I keep posting Women are people too, and everyone should have the same RC Feb 2014 #146
So you really believe there is some ulterior motive here for people posting in this thread, and it Squinch Feb 2014 #150
I disagree. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #45
Thank you for your insight on ChazII Feb 2014 #178
I'm sorry shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #364
I can go along with that. RC Feb 2014 #375
Privilege is not just about the economy. KamaAina Feb 2014 #5
absolutely right on. *thumbs up and cased closed! n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #8
I know. We are all on the same side here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #10
If more white people acknowledged the pervasive effects of white privelege, if we didn't Squinch Feb 2014 #116
I agree Beringia Feb 2014 #143
So true, so true. I've seen it happen all too often myself. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #152
Because frankly, "the general public" as a whole have shit for brains. And are racist as all hell nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #277
The only reason it "derails discussions" is because people's precious fee-fees are apparently more nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #275
I really doubt that's the case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #280
no, the reason it derails discussion hfojvt Feb 2014 #315
People's feelings are important, of course. I didn't really mean to imply otherwise. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #318
some people "whine" about a two word phrase hfojvt Feb 2014 #359
Frankly, I just don't see any other interpretation of that incident which doesn't in some way rely nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #363
What happened to Trayvon was a manifestation of discrimination and bigotry. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #41
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #408
are you Whitesplainin'? n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #7
Ah, now there's another very productive and useful phrase (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #12
as productive as white people telling black people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #14
In my experience, discussions about white privilege... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #61
+1 El_Johns Feb 2014 #73
Right. There's really no substance to discussions about "white privilege" except snottiness. Squinch Feb 2014 #120
Unfortunately, this is definitely true in some cases. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #156
He didn't say there was no substance; he said that the discussions of 'white privilege' he's seen El_Johns Feb 2014 #177
Actually he did take the position I claim. Squinch Feb 2014 #186
What he said: El_Johns Feb 2014 #244
lol. Whisp Feb 2014 #192
that only tells us that you spend more time among "snotty white college kids" than many of us here. bettyellen Feb 2014 #203
Really? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #377
Or vice versa?(which does happen btw. Even if not that often). AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #215
I'm white and I have no problem accepting the fact that I have privileges that others do not Whisp Feb 2014 #26
+1 geardaddy Feb 2014 #30
Oh I dunno, Whisp. redqueen Feb 2014 #53
Valid point 1awake Feb 2014 #57
That was sarcasm. redqueen Feb 2014 #69
It was and I obviously recognized it. 1awake Feb 2014 #70
What you did there was Sarchasm: Whisp Feb 2014 #108
Or maybe it is because some people go out of their way RC Feb 2014 #79
" Not all white males have "privilege"." redqueen Feb 2014 #85
White Privilege has more to do with Class than anything. RC Feb 2014 #104
To be brutally honest, I see nothing wrong with "tearing down" the ignorant and self-centered nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #279
When I hear "Not all white males have 'privilege'".... YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #129
Actually, it's the opposite. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #165
Mitt Romney doesn't think he's privileged either BainsBane Feb 2014 #180
here's my opinion on this. i live in a big city, and it's very diverse. in this context, you bet dionysus Feb 2014 #184
I get that, but what ticks me off is Squinch Feb 2014 #195
it most certainly exists, i am just positing that people who have never seen it, won't get it. dionysus Feb 2014 #197
Very nice posts, dionysus Number23 Feb 2014 #206
thank you, my friend. dionysus Feb 2014 #208
I second that! You summed it up perfectly. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #281
what about the opposite assumption hfojvt Feb 2014 #344
wishing for whit privilege? Noted. bettyellen Mar 2014 #437
that's just so fucking ridiculous hfojvt Feb 2014 #330
When you say that ... LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #107
Very well said. YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #132
When you say that all white males DO have "white privilege"..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #167
Exactly. Privilege is more about the bad things that *don't* happen to you in life. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #282
Maybe the reason for the difficulty is that the term is flawed. You could consider that. El_Johns Feb 2014 #367
Exactly! Why aren't people getting this? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #170
I agree! nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #88
I'm "white" myself. And I am perfectly willing to admit..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #158
The privileged... coming to terms with a choice of words!! Whisp Feb 2014 #166
Telling people of color how they are fighting racism wrong. Where have I seen that tactic before? Squinch Feb 2014 #119
Does sound familiar, doesn't it!? Whisp Feb 2014 #133
Except the meme in its current manifestation comes out of the white ivy league and feminist studies El_Johns Feb 2014 #149
So what? Squinch Feb 2014 #153
So questioning the meme of "white privilege" doesn't equal "telling black people they are fighting El_Johns Feb 2014 #164
That makes no sense at all. The term "democratic" comes from a french word that came from a greek Squinch Feb 2014 #168
If the originators of the term and the most visible promoters of the term are mainly white, El_Johns Feb 2014 #172
Do you believe that white privilege exists? Squinch Feb 2014 #173
lol. the phenomenon you label as white privilege exists. questioning the label and its theoretical El_Johns Feb 2014 #175
The thing exists but using its name is theoretically vacuous? Squinch Feb 2014 #185
Yes. It explains nothing and nothing follows from it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #217
You know you're not making any sense, right? Squinch Feb 2014 #218
None so blind El_Johns Feb 2014 #236
...as those who will not see that white privilege is a fact of American life in 2014. Squinch Feb 2014 #409
At least, not to you. kwassa Feb 2014 #250
well, what does it explain? and what are we supposed to do after accepting our "white privilege"? El_Johns Feb 2014 #251
It explains the way our society works, and ... kwassa Feb 2014 #257
It doesn't explain how our society works at all. That's one of the reasons I take exception to it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #259
or not how you see society works. kwassa Feb 2014 #266
OK, how does it explain how society works? What's the explanation? El_Johns Feb 2014 #267
Tim Wise actually isn't from an upper-middle class background YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #155
How's that? His grandfather owned a chain of liquor stores and other properties. El_Johns Feb 2014 #160
I doubt that very seriously. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #159
The reality of white privilege was a phase that you went through? Squinch Feb 2014 #162
The *belief* in white privilege, yeah. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #169
I KNOW. And I'm glad you see it! Squinch Feb 2014 #171
Why is it more productive? Particularly here at DU? el_bryanto Feb 2014 #9
Perhaps there have been "white privilege" threads that have been civilized and productive Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #15
Maybe you aren't looking hard enough el_bryanto Feb 2014 #22
What would you call a productive discussion? BainsBane Feb 2014 #46
And all the while, they insist their supposed hurt feelings be catered to, while not giving a nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #283
You care about the perspectives of blacks that slap you on the back and say amen. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #382
I don't have a marketing department BainsBane Feb 2014 #386
I don't need an African American group to find out what black folks think. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #387
Well there are black folks in the world outside from your own family BainsBane Feb 2014 #388
Strange but true. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #389
Are you asserting that only black people like the President? BainsBane Feb 2014 #390
Not at all. That would be a statistically false statement. I'm saying your sample is comprised of TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #395
This is a Democratic forum BainsBane Mar 2014 #429
What a stunning nerve you have! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #397
A nerve? BainsBane Feb 2014 #398
I read the subthread for myself, thanks. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #401
It must be nice that you found someone BainsBane Feb 2014 #424
Zero-meaning, pseudo-psychobabble word salad. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #431
"I would think you would want to have these discussions in the African American group". Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #432
No, not at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #434
Honestly, this is one of the most eloquent and thoughtful responses I've seen on here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #406
I don't claim to support you with my post BainsBane Feb 2014 #423
+1 (I don't understand the BOG hate either.) bravenak Mar 2014 #428
And maybe -no definitely - the people denying white privilege and not those pointing it out are the Squinch Feb 2014 #124
Because one suggests remedies. The other not. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #48
Where are the remedies in the OP? n/t geardaddy Feb 2014 #91
The only one I can see is "We need to be more gentle talking about these things." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #284
Honestly gollygee Feb 2014 #286
And replicating it helps? El_Johns Feb 2014 #366
Is it just that you choose not to understand the underlying concept? LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #11
"Privilege". If you really, truly think this is a helpful educational tool..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154
you cant end discrimination if those who benefit from it dont acknowledge it. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #13
Yep. "You're privileged! Acknowledge it! Acknowledge it!" (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #17
LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #19
if it hurts the delicate eyes of some white people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #20
It takes a lot more than words and phrases to "hurt my delicate eyes". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #27
you don't seem very dispassionate nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #75
Neither do you, I'm afraid. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #161
oh boy. geardaddy Feb 2014 #23
To refuse to do so is to be dedicated to it's continuation BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
Well, give it a try. Squinch Feb 2014 #128
Except that practically no-one does benefit from it. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #47
Then what? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #51
Very true .... etherealtruth Feb 2014 #72
You really don't get it at all BainsBane Feb 2014 #24
Well, if you think that it's productive to accuse others of "internalizing" their racism, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #32
Let's focus on something besides you for a minute BainsBane Feb 2014 #40
I believe that every DUer understands all that. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #42
There is a contradiction BainsBane Feb 2014 #43
It is not necessary to feel privileged to be privileged. kwassa Feb 2014 #63
I think what we are witnessing here BainsBane Feb 2014 #121
beyond not caring, to kwassa Feb 2014 #138
Without question BainsBane Feb 2014 #141
Yes, and what could possibly matter more than some white people's personal feelings on the subject? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #314
straw man that no one ever said. El_Johns Feb 2014 #80
Blatantly false BainsBane Feb 2014 #87
People say "race and class are the same thing" all the time? Do tell. El_Johns Feb 2014 #98
To say that much would assume they have thought the issue through enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #115
NO. You are pretending that people who take exception to the white privilege meme do it because El_Johns Feb 2014 #127
I already asked you what it was about if not that BainsBane Feb 2014 #245
Look, many people on these threads have expressed what it's about. The objections are various. El_Johns Feb 2014 #246
Did it occur to you that telling members of color BainsBane Feb 2014 #270
1. I've told no "members of color" they shouldn't raise issues of concern to them. El_Johns Feb 2014 #276
Don't you love being lectured by the uber-righteous? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #54
As opposed to the self-absorbed? BainsBane Feb 2014 #118
"What is most essential is that you never be confronted with the reality of the world around you." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #316
I've seen your "approach" to issues of race. morningfog Feb 2014 #264
Ummm... my ancestors were slaves 1awake Feb 2014 #60
How often are you pulled over by cops for no reason but the color of your skin? BainsBane Feb 2014 #92
Exactly. Even putting aside past injustices, there are still plenty in the present. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #319
Awesomely spectacular post, BainsBane. Really. Number23 Feb 2014 #211
+1 freshwest Feb 2014 #274
Hate to disagree with you, and mostly I don't but... DanTex Feb 2014 #379
I don't understand why white privilege bothers people. HappyMe Feb 2014 #28
Well it is all about making you feel good, after all gollygee Feb 2014 #29
The issue here is not really about "feeling good". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #33
I think we need to be challenged to recognize all of racism gollygee Feb 2014 #36
This. redqueen Feb 2014 #64
Well said! Solly Mack Feb 2014 #111
You are so right: Squinch Feb 2014 #134
All of this. ^^ Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #189
+1 Excellent post. myrna minx Feb 2014 #385
You nailed it. nt cinnabonbon Mar 2014 #436
Why must a discussion of white privilege be unproductive? kwassa Feb 2014 #71
There is subjective perception, and objective reality YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #112
If all you have to do is acknowledge it, what's so bad about it? treestar Feb 2014 #31
Every DUer (I hope) acknowledges that racism exists. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #37
That's the second time you said "squawking" geardaddy Feb 2014 #49
I don't think it's an argument, really. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #59
OK, so in your opinion, where do we go from here? geardaddy Feb 2014 #62
You're kidding, right? As if the response to "institutional racism" can or should be met by El_Johns Feb 2014 #82
OK, what I meant was what geardaddy Feb 2014 #84
Again, with the what have *I* done, as if my individual response to racism were the linchpin El_Johns Feb 2014 #95
All right. So, we do nothing then? geardaddy Feb 2014 #99
If the diagnosis of the problem is that individuals do not accept the reality of their white El_Johns Feb 2014 #102
Then what about the OP's geardaddy Feb 2014 #109
"Work to end discrimination" is empty cant, especially when all the energy of those El_Johns Feb 2014 #130
If people would stop derailing discussions about white privilege because they object to the term Squinch Feb 2014 #142
No kidding. Then I wouldn't have to do anything more, right? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #58
So start the discussion, what specific actions do you propose to combat racism? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #210
I am a white man that does not mind talking about White Privilege. Rex Feb 2014 #38
I'd rather accuracy than image and branding. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #50
The job isn't completed when the mechanic agrees that the car is broken. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #55
so we should recognize it and work to eliminate it. kwassa Feb 2014 #66
"simply be aware of our privilege" = lol. El_Johns Feb 2014 #83
Really? I have experienced plenty of white people who deny the very concept of "privilege"... YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #106
So long as even one person persists in saying "privilege isn't the right way to think about this"... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #176
Depends on the motivation of the person saying it... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #52
I think that is a common sense approach. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #56
Its a poor term to use Token Republican Feb 2014 #65
I think you are confusing overt government actions such as Affirmative Action, Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #380
Probably why MLK and Malcom X talked about racial discrimination... KansDem Feb 2014 #67
People said Malcom X and Martin Luther King were going about it the wrong way back then gollygee Feb 2014 #68
You'll have to enlighten me as to who these "people" were. KansDem Feb 2014 #76
Our understanding of discrimination has not evolved since the 1960s? kwassa Feb 2014 #74
What would I expect to find? KansDem Feb 2014 #77
You would discover the concept of white privilege emerged in the past 20 years. kwassa Feb 2014 #81
A more sophisticated understanding? KansDem Feb 2014 #86
Use Google. You will find out a lot. kwassa Feb 2014 #96
lol. It's not a bit sophisticated. It's the opposite of sophisticated. El_Johns Feb 2014 #94
If you have a critique of white privilege theory, then make it. kwassa Feb 2014 #97
lol. El_Johns Feb 2014 #100
I have. And it's very interesting that the person who coined the term did so in Marxist terms, in El_Johns Feb 2014 #93
A discussion of social class is not necessarily Marxist at all. kwassa Feb 2014 #103
I've read "Unpacking". In comparison with Theodore Allen's work, it's a child's scribble. El_Johns Feb 2014 #117
Thank you very much for the links, interesting reading. kwassa Feb 2014 #135
Coke and Pepsi are also popular with many people. El_Johns Feb 2014 #140
and that reason would be ....? kwassa Feb 2014 #145
Because he was a working class scholar unaffiliated with institutional power, and a Marxist. El_Johns Feb 2014 #151
White privilege is about the privilege of whites in the US. kwassa Feb 2014 #183
"White people have a definite self-interest in changing things." I agree with this much anyway. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #321
MLK wasn't a a university professor who had to justify his existence LittleBlue Feb 2014 #89
Astute observation KansDem Feb 2014 #393
White privilege is very real. liberalmuse Feb 2014 #78
Get back to me when the acronym DWW becomes mainstream. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #90
No one "jokes" about reducing the welfare rolls by murdering "white thugs." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #322
You make excellent points. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #376
No. YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #101
I have no problem with the concept of "white privilege" steve2470 Feb 2014 #105
Acknowledging all forms of privilege is better than... MellowDem Feb 2014 #114
The logical problem with the term "white privilege" means that we're all privileged LittleBlue Feb 2014 #123
The other problem is that it disappears real privilege: the privilege of the ruling class that El_Johns Feb 2014 #137
Right. Socioeconomic privilege is really what people think LittleBlue Feb 2014 #148
But a middle- or upper-class black man is still more likely to be hassled by cops nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #325
No one said that they are "equal" in their privilege YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #157
"white privilege" is a blanket term. I & george are both white, thus we are equal in our "white El_Johns Feb 2014 #163
They ARE equal in their white privilege, they are not equal in their total personal privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #198
Yes, George & I are equal in our white privilege. But that really doesn't explain anything, does it El_Johns Feb 2014 #213
Oh, it does. kwassa Feb 2014 #232
what does it explain? El_Johns Feb 2014 #235
Differential treatment that you will never see. kwassa Feb 2014 #252
That was explained long ago. "white privilege" is just slapping another label on it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #253
It is a good label. kwassa Feb 2014 #262
What has the new label accomplished? In real life, I mean. El_Johns Feb 2014 #265
They are not equal in their privilege. There's a tremendous difference in social class. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #324
Yes, intersectionality etc. Which leads, in these discussions, to people toting up all their El_Johns Feb 2014 #338
I don't think of this as a "game" with a "score," and I doubt many people who are actually nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #341
I don't know about that; I'm just saying that there always seems to be a few in these El_Johns Feb 2014 #346
White people are the solution. bravenak Feb 2014 #350
How so? El_Johns Feb 2014 #353
If the problem lies with racism of whites against blacks. bravenak Feb 2014 #355
How? El_Johns Feb 2014 #361
That's for white people to figure out. bravenak Feb 2014 #362
OK. So what I don't understand is that if you start from the proposition that whites as a category El_Johns Feb 2014 #365
Why would they stop being racist? Most white people aren't racist. bravenak Feb 2014 #368
OK. So you're not saying that whites as a category are racist. That wasn't apparent from your El_Johns Feb 2014 #370
Did you leave DU?? bravenak Feb 2014 #407
"But suddenly everyone who hasn't experienced sexual abuse is privileged to have avoided that nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #323
Who has ever said: Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #139
I think the bigger issue is believing that you know what is best for others. idendoit Feb 2014 #144
The problem is, this same attitude has been rather prevalent with certain sets......... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #179
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You make a couple of valid points. idendoit Feb 2014 #194
I think I see where you're coming from. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #201
Exactly. Exactly. This times infinity. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #147
Why not... LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #174
the wword is not derailing discusision- people are. Oversensitive, self involved people who do not bettyellen Feb 2014 #181
If the communication is not effective toward the audience that needs to receive it TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #302
I don't think anyones making PSAs about the privilege- are they? Just having an honest discussion bettyellen Feb 2014 #304
So sorry that the way I discuss the racism in America offends you so much. bravenak Feb 2014 #182
It doesn't offend me in the slightest. I'm not sure where you got that from. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #193
You are right JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #200
Once again, we are all on the same side here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #205
No I'm sorry you are wrong JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #207
You better be!! bravenak Feb 2014 #231
Oh, HELL yeah. Number23 Feb 2014 #294
Then stop doing it. Squinch Feb 2014 #216
"The goal is to discuss racial issues in a non-contentious, productive manner." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #326
"Focus on Snowden because that's all DU can handle" Number23 Feb 2014 #293
You should check out JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #345
Right. bravenak Feb 2014 #224
Believe me (or not), at my age it takes an awful lot more to offend me than a phrase Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #234
I'm offended that you have the nerve to tell black people which terms they should use to make you bravenak Feb 2014 #238
I'm sorry that you think that observing that a particular phrase tends to be unhelpful Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #240
You should be sorry for telling us which terms you prefer. bravenak Feb 2014 #247
It's not really a question of "which term I prefer". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #254
The old way of saying it nicely hasn't been effective. It hasn't been productive. It's just talk. bravenak Feb 2014 #258
When a black guy took North Carolina and Virginia in the 2008 presidential election, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #261
He was trying to win an election. bravenak Feb 2014 #269
But you're trying to further your views, aren't you? El_Johns Feb 2014 #289
Nope. bravenak Feb 2014 #290
OK. And other people presumably state what they think is plain as well. The term doesn't make El_Johns Feb 2014 #292
Cool. bravenak Feb 2014 #299
I don't propose anything like "fixing the economic issues first". But I don't see much of El_Johns Feb 2014 #300
FDR. bravenak Feb 2014 #301
So politicians recruit black support and fail to follow through on their promises? Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #305
" Blacks got less of the benefit from the new deal than others" bravenak Feb 2014 #306
I don't disagree, except with the usefulness of the term. As I've stated before. Ta da! El_Johns Feb 2014 #312
But, it doesn't matter to me if you find it useful. bravenak Feb 2014 #337
I didn't think it did. Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #339
Good. Then don't take it personally. bravenak Feb 2014 #343
I don't. Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #347
I can't tell. bravenak Feb 2014 #348
I can't tell that your comments aren't intended personally either, but I take you at your word in El_Johns Feb 2014 #354
You seem to have something more on your mind. bravenak Feb 2014 #358
"The real cause of racism" is WHITE PEOPLE. PERIOD. White people INVENTED that shit! nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #327
I didn't ask for a get out of jail card or anything of the sort. And yelling doesn't get your point El_Johns Feb 2014 #333
But I'm not talking about a hypothetical world in which white people don't exist. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #336
Are there fair advantages? El_Johns Feb 2014 #340
Maybe, maybe not. But that's kind of beside the point, for the purposes of this discussion. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #342
The reason I ask is, I feel the hidden assumption of meritocracy in these discussions and can't help El_Johns Feb 2014 #351
Maybe. Just as some have a blind spot RE: race, others have one RE: class. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #356
With that I agree completely. El_Johns Feb 2014 #357
That nails it JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #196
TPS REPORTS!!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #222
Just came across this thread JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #225
It's like this all the time now. bravenak Feb 2014 #230
bravenak, you rock! kwassa Feb 2014 #199
She doesn't give herself enough credit JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #209
absolutely. kwassa Feb 2014 #226
Thank you. bravenak Feb 2014 #227
you are most welcome. kwassa Feb 2014 #229
Oh my goodness. I left this ignorant, pointless thread too soon Number23 Feb 2014 #291
I've been trying not to even say anything. bravenak Feb 2014 #298
Yeah, if you could just take off your white colored glasses Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #188
+ infinity nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #328
Hmm work to end . . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #191
"Let's work to end racial discrimination" is a better response to white privilege than complaining fishwax Feb 2014 #204
i own white privilege. it doesnt derail, it enhances and enlightens conversation. to deny seabeyond Feb 2014 #219
I'm not proposing to "deny the existence of white privilege". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #220
people DENY white privilege. it is a reality for those not white. they are denying a quiet form of seabeyond Feb 2014 #223
As long as they keep denying obvious realities, the rest of us will keep "hectoring" them! nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #329
Very well said JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #221
thank you. but, it truly makes no sense to me that white people cannot see it. it is so fuggin seabeyond Feb 2014 #228
While there may have been deniers, I haven't seen one here. 1awake Feb 2014 #241
I may have a solution. westerebus Feb 2014 #233
That is not a solution. bravenak Feb 2014 #239
There's no requirement to participate. westerebus Feb 2014 #242
It's the hyperbole I object to. bravenak Feb 2014 #249
"It's the hyperbole I object to". I think that we are approaching a meeting of minds here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #256
Saying White privilege is not hyperbole. bravenak Feb 2014 #260
Why would you be disappointed? westerebus Feb 2014 #391
You are lucky to live in such a wonderful place. bravenak Feb 2014 #394
I wish you well. westerebus Feb 2014 #404
Ok. If you were being serious I'm sorry. bravenak Feb 2014 #405
The comment of never ever ever... was intended to make you laugh westerebus Feb 2014 #410
I glad we can be civil. bravenak Feb 2014 #412
Of course we are... westerebus Feb 2014 #417
double-plus good, comrade. El_Johns Feb 2014 #243
White guy says "Let's not talk about white privilege!" Scootaloo Feb 2014 #248
Hmmmm. If I really "work hard to belittle the murder of black children", Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #255
Of course you pride yourself on being just offensive enough to not get hidden. morningfog Feb 2014 #268
Nope. Fools no one. And never has Number23 Feb 2014 #296
No-one? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #400
Some people are absolute masters at toeing the line... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #331
Still refusing to acknowledge your white privilege? morningfog Feb 2014 #263
Again, it's not a question of being "comfortable". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #271
It is a necessary step for real change to occur. You are an obstructionist, charitably. morningfog Feb 2014 #272
In what way is it a necessary step for "real change"? If it's necessary, why wasn't it necessary El_Johns Feb 2014 #278
same thing. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #285
would this have to be in the 'Queen's English' by any chance? Whisp Feb 2014 #287
I agree. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #288
Jesus Christ! Doesn't anybody have a life? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #295
"A great many whites...do not feel especially 'privileged.'" Heidi Feb 2014 #297
Oooh, nine recs out of 300. Would that any of you nine would think about that. bettyellen Feb 2014 #310
Tell me Betty, what are the achievements of 20+ years of the "white privilege" meme? El_Johns Feb 2014 #313
are you fucking kidding me? why would you think that is quantifiable movement or PSA or something? bettyellen Feb 2014 #317
Again, "people who work in anti-racism campaigns all the time" are not the target for your supposed El_Johns Feb 2014 #320
Do you have any idea how pompous and condescending you sound? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #332
I don't much care about your opinion of how I sound. And you don't know anything about what I have El_Johns Feb 2014 #334
I don't think that person is talking to you. bravenak Feb 2014 #369
Oops. I thought it linked to mine. In which case I would have had every reason to take it personal El_Johns Feb 2014 #371
White culture is so pervasive that many consider it the norm Skidmore Feb 2014 #372
yeah, frame the discussion on a way to appease the oppressors.. boston bean Feb 2014 #373
For you maybe. But not for me. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #378
I thought I should post the conclusion I reached in post 380 Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #381
"Favorable treatment to a group which is white" Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #383
Nye, I'm telling you that there is a subtly here that is creating the confusion for a lot of people. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #384
+1000 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #411
When I write my story, they will have something to hang their hat on. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #415
Definitely. Orsino Feb 2014 #396
White privilege doesn't mean "whites are so privileged" boston bean Feb 2014 #399
Because reducing a nuanced argument to a simplistic strawman makes it easier nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #413
Agreed 100% SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #402
Nothing wrong with that sentiment, in and of itself. But it requires the assumption that the OP nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #414
Well I can't speak to that SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #421
In general I agree with that. Where we may disagree is on the source of said "division." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #422
I don't think we disagree on any of that SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #425
I don't think it's "ostracizing people who disagree" to suggest that their posts don't come off nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #426
Ahhh in that case SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #427
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