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Yes, acknowledging privilege is hard work. [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 OP
Hear, hear! KamaAina Feb 2014 #1
Hear, hear! Laelth Feb 2014 #2
A good example is Trayvon Martin Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #3
yup. to understand how that was racism, is to also aknowledge La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #9
But not the privilege of avoiding being raped n/t eridani Feb 2014 #42
Yup Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #56
yeah, he might have just been raped instead. El_Johns Feb 2014 #45
"...I don't get harassed for being queer. However, my wife does." Iggo Feb 2014 #4
Your voice is one if the many voices quickly combining into a roar that won't be silenced JJChambers Feb 2014 #5
Even harder is working to correct those giving privilege seveneyes Feb 2014 #6
not really. we can all admit that racism is bad. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #8
Both Racism and giving priviledge are bad seveneyes Feb 2014 #10
How about just *eliminating disadvantage*? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #28
Bravo! nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #7
AWESOME OP. The new BS meme is only young snotty white folks call it "white privilege" . LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #11
Which does, unfortunately, have quite a bit of truth to it. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #15
It's a term coined by academics to describe a phenomenon..... and many many people who discuss race bettyellen Feb 2014 #18
"Yet you both spout off as if you know better." And you do? nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #21
You definitely do not know better than the African American activist community or a diverse group of bettyellen Feb 2014 #23
I'm afraid if anyone's been trying to "control" anything here, bettyellen, it's yourself. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #25
You are the one hoping people reshape their conversations more to your liking. bettyellen Feb 2014 #27
"I will not speculate why you think your discomfort should be issue #1 for anyone else but you." AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #29
Um, no- people already DO use the word, and I think that is just fine. See how that works? bettyellen Feb 2014 #30
You may think it's fine..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #32
"some progressives even" say it ain't so Joe- you've left your bubble and talked to a few? WOW. bettyellen Feb 2014 #36
Nice try. But no dice. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #39
Who is this "we" Joe? Because I don't see anyone interested in your permission or input, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #43
Never asked to grant "permission". You're just tugging at straws now, Betty. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #46
Of course, and we never find "young snotty white folks" in academia, do we? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #49
sound like classic RW anti-intellectual bias, LOL.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #51
You're bringing your own strawman to life. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #53
It's someone else's strawman- and "even a few progressives" like it, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #54
"I can't help it if you actually took the bait!" An admission of trolling, perhaps? ;-) AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #72
I mocked the idea- but you guys took it up as if it was worthwhile, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #73
Yep, it was a troll.....just like 99% of the other stuff you've posted lately. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #76
I became most aware of my privilege living in a majority black city BainsBane Feb 2014 #12
In what way is "being aware of your privilege" materially different from acknowledging racism? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #13
It isn't about blame. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #17
I understand what you're saying, but why do we need to call it "privilege"? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #31
Honestly, I can't think of a better word. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #37
This is conversation stevil Feb 2014 #80
Great post. And I'm sorry your family has had to go through this. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #92
No offense, but maybe the question itself is "unsatisfactory" - nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #91
I would separate the two issues Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #19
"magic words" WOW- who the heck would want to have a conversation with someone so contemptuous? bettyellen Feb 2014 #20
"with someone so contemptuous?....And so controlling." Really? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #24
"Contemptous and controlling"? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #41
When you don't actually understand a concept(see"guilt") it's time to stop trying to educate others. bettyellen Feb 2014 #47
So you want to quibble over his word choices Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #100
Quibble over his hostile words. Nope. They are what they are. Telling. bettyellen Feb 2014 #105
Good point. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #26
Frankly, I think that racial privilege isn't necessarily a bad framework to visualize the problem. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #44
Acknowledging racism is acknowledging the harm done to others. jeff47 Feb 2014 #55
"Acknowledging racism is acknowledging the harm done to others." That much is true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #60
It's a distinction without a difference. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #61
Then why are you so desperate to bury discussions about privilege? jeff47 Feb 2014 #113
Well said, thanks. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #14
I hope this thread gets more recs than the other one Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #16
K&R - thank you. myrna minx Feb 2014 #22
It's so weird that DU seems to have Texasgal Feb 2014 #33
Weird? Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #35
well apprently some are discussing this with conservative folk - and asking them what words make bettyellen Feb 2014 #38
Not just "conservative folk", Betty. The public in general. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #40
"a lot of people have had issues with the term, including some progressives even" Mmmm, okaaay. bettyellen Feb 2014 #52
I'm afraid you've only outted yourself, Betty. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #59
I am out and proud as far as disliking narrow minded conservative doublespeak. Those that engage in bettyellen Feb 2014 #65
"And that opinion is out of mainstream progressive thought" I'm afraid not. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #68
Gosh, you need to get out more. Maybe go back to school? 3 years at DU, LOL.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #74
Are you honestly kidding me? nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #75
Not at all- if you heard of it/ believed in it 5 years ago, and have not heard much since... bettyellen Feb 2014 #77
Well, you said it as if you believed it was for certain....not that it was possible. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #81
I was aware of politics and social issues pretty young I suppose. And though my family and church bettyellen Feb 2014 #83
I think most everyone tends to exaggerate their own problems and downplay others'. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #94
It's acknowledging that one receives a benefit from other's racism. jeff47 Feb 2014 #57
Some white people of all ideological stripes resent talking about race. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #107
"To understand oppression, one needs to understand the opposite of oppression (privilege)." Zenlitened Feb 2014 #34
how is privilege the opposite of oppression" El_Johns Feb 2014 #48
"to insist that the discussions be..." is how people here derail. They derail, then blame the word. bettyellen Feb 2014 #50
"it's us controlling the discussion?" It most certainly is! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #62
How would you frame the discussion? LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #63
One way I'd do it is just by being straightforward. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #64
Oooh, pithy. Replace one word with a woefully incomlete laundry list. Yeah, maybe not. bettyellen Feb 2014 #66
Well.....I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree then. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #67
Ridiculous comment. If you're trying to get people to understand what you mean, the pithy El_Johns Feb 2014 #78
it makes no sense at all not to use a phrase only because it needs a super long explaination- bettyellen Feb 2014 #79
Without an understanding of the very complex and varied set of conditions, what use is it? As El_Johns Feb 2014 #82
You have a completely useful term for something- that aptly describes a complicated concept- bettyellen Feb 2014 #84
Social scientists are not the population you claim to want to educate and enlighten. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85
It is a pretty familair term, and you are allowed to explain it when needed! bettyellen Feb 2014 #86
I don't have a hard time with it at all. I just think it's useless as the educational tool El_Johns Feb 2014 #87
I think the word is a necesary part of any deep conversation about race and gender issues. bettyellen Feb 2014 #89
I think it promotes superficial conversations about race and also misunderstanding about race. El_Johns Feb 2014 #95
that's pretty funny. yeah it's racist to acknowledge the many facets of racism. Okay Bye!! bettyellen Feb 2014 #97
But it doesn't acknowledge the many facets of racism. That's why it leads to superficial El_Johns Feb 2014 #98
Discrimination is one word. nt Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #88
that is not at all interchangable, try again? bettyellen Feb 2014 #90
True, "discrimination" is more accurate. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #93
it describes a different thing- and is a smaller, more quantifiable part of explaining privilege. bettyellen Feb 2014 #96
Your statement to El_Johns is simply not true. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #99
So... You're rubber, too bad so sad and those who seek to stop some words here bettyellen Feb 2014 #104
Man of goodwill. That's you. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #69
Thanks, I do try. nt =) AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #70
k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #58
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2014 #71
groups are not really oppressed hfojvt Feb 2014 #101
they are still oppressed by their race in a way that a similarly place white person is not. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #103
"a similarly placed white person" hfojvt Feb 2014 #109
Having 20% fewer mines to dodge really is a privilege kwassa Feb 2014 #108
it's not hfojvt Feb 2014 #110
If the white guy has to cross a minefield with 80 mines ... kwassa Feb 2014 #111
This is a quote by BainsBane JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #102
K&R for my friend, Lionness, and for truth. closeupready Feb 2014 #106
I guess one would need to believe that privilege is really the opposite of oppression Redford Feb 2014 #112
a job is only one aspect of life. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #114
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