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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
170. Exactly! Why aren't people getting this?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:31 PM
Feb 2014

I realize it's not easy to be dispassionate, especially if one has actually experienced racism in their life(and yes, some on here have, no doubt). But there are just too many people with an ax to grind, that it really can be difficult sometimes.

not all racism is conscious discrimination. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #1
The example I used ("stop and frisk") probably results in a fair bit of unconscoious discrimination, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #2
people who get their undies in a bunch over the phrase "white privilege" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #4
Not really 1awake Feb 2014 #16
oh lordy nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #18
Then you aren't getting what it is. Squinch Feb 2014 #110
Or... people don't understand the impossibility of grouping 1awake Feb 2014 #122
Then I'll say again, you don't understand what it is. Squinch Feb 2014 #125
Sure lol, whatever you say. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #126
Here's the part that I don't get... CANDO Feb 2014 #187
I'm white, dear. Squinch Feb 2014 #190
The endless white privelege threads are meaningless. CANDO Feb 2014 #202
Who, in this thread said anything about there not being any jobs? Why are you insisting that this Squinch Feb 2014 #212
Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one! CANDO Feb 2014 #214
again, back to the OP hfojvt Feb 2014 #309
That's exactly what I'm taking about. bravenak Feb 2014 #237
I'm never gonna have a daughter hfojvt Feb 2014 #307
You are boring me. bravenak Feb 2014 #308
against boredom hfojvt Feb 2014 #311
My old gods more than most. bravenak Feb 2014 #335
all the old gods are dead hfojvt Feb 2014 #352
No, the real old gods. bravenak Feb 2014 #360
Privilege? Privilege? CANDO Feb 2014 #419
You are so angry!! bravenak Feb 2014 #420
Wow...just wow! onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #273
Than you JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #349
Very ugly. nt clarice Feb 2014 #392
We didn't start this ugliness... onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #403
No no no no.... CANDO Feb 2014 #416
Wow! bravenak Feb 2014 #418
"Constantly bitching about white privilege? onpatrol98 Mar 2014 #433
Damn! M0rpheus Mar 2014 #435
if it doesn't effect all hfojvt Feb 2014 #303
I'm not sure If I should laugh or cry after reading that. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #374
American Privilege is even more damaging, especially to all those countries where America, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #430
If you think that "every person in the country" says "I oppose racial discrimination" Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #21
really, how many Republican members of Congress or state geek tragedy Feb 2014 #25
Ummm... you said "every person in the country". (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #39
"Let's work to end discrimination" is a better approachstill. RC Feb 2014 #3
Yeah, and bandying the term "male privilege" about doesn't usually help either (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #6
Bandying that term about is a form of discrimination itself. RC Feb 2014 #35
! redqueen Feb 2014 #44
Oh, dear. You just said that, didn't you? Squinch Feb 2014 #113
Why yes I did. RC Feb 2014 #131
Couldn't possibly be disagreement with your position, though, could it? Squinch Feb 2014 #136
Naa, especially when I keep posting Women are people too, and everyone should have the same RC Feb 2014 #146
So you really believe there is some ulterior motive here for people posting in this thread, and it Squinch Feb 2014 #150
I disagree. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #45
Thank you for your insight on ChazII Feb 2014 #178
I'm sorry shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #364
I can go along with that. RC Feb 2014 #375
Privilege is not just about the economy. KamaAina Feb 2014 #5
absolutely right on. *thumbs up and cased closed! n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #8
I know. We are all on the same side here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #10
If more white people acknowledged the pervasive effects of white privelege, if we didn't Squinch Feb 2014 #116
I agree Beringia Feb 2014 #143
So true, so true. I've seen it happen all too often myself. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #152
Because frankly, "the general public" as a whole have shit for brains. And are racist as all hell nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #277
The only reason it "derails discussions" is because people's precious fee-fees are apparently more nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #275
I really doubt that's the case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #280
no, the reason it derails discussion hfojvt Feb 2014 #315
People's feelings are important, of course. I didn't really mean to imply otherwise. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #318
some people "whine" about a two word phrase hfojvt Feb 2014 #359
Frankly, I just don't see any other interpretation of that incident which doesn't in some way rely nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #363
What happened to Trayvon was a manifestation of discrimination and bigotry. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #41
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #408
are you Whitesplainin'? n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #7
Ah, now there's another very productive and useful phrase (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #12
as productive as white people telling black people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #14
In my experience, discussions about white privilege... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #61
+1 El_Johns Feb 2014 #73
Right. There's really no substance to discussions about "white privilege" except snottiness. Squinch Feb 2014 #120
Unfortunately, this is definitely true in some cases. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #156
He didn't say there was no substance; he said that the discussions of 'white privilege' he's seen El_Johns Feb 2014 #177
Actually he did take the position I claim. Squinch Feb 2014 #186
What he said: El_Johns Feb 2014 #244
lol. Whisp Feb 2014 #192
that only tells us that you spend more time among "snotty white college kids" than many of us here. bettyellen Feb 2014 #203
Really? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #377
Or vice versa?(which does happen btw. Even if not that often). AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #215
I'm white and I have no problem accepting the fact that I have privileges that others do not Whisp Feb 2014 #26
+1 geardaddy Feb 2014 #30
Oh I dunno, Whisp. redqueen Feb 2014 #53
Valid point 1awake Feb 2014 #57
That was sarcasm. redqueen Feb 2014 #69
It was and I obviously recognized it. 1awake Feb 2014 #70
What you did there was Sarchasm: Whisp Feb 2014 #108
Or maybe it is because some people go out of their way RC Feb 2014 #79
" Not all white males have "privilege"." redqueen Feb 2014 #85
White Privilege has more to do with Class than anything. RC Feb 2014 #104
To be brutally honest, I see nothing wrong with "tearing down" the ignorant and self-centered nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #279
When I hear "Not all white males have 'privilege'".... YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #129
Actually, it's the opposite. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #165
Mitt Romney doesn't think he's privileged either BainsBane Feb 2014 #180
here's my opinion on this. i live in a big city, and it's very diverse. in this context, you bet dionysus Feb 2014 #184
I get that, but what ticks me off is Squinch Feb 2014 #195
it most certainly exists, i am just positing that people who have never seen it, won't get it. dionysus Feb 2014 #197
Very nice posts, dionysus Number23 Feb 2014 #206
thank you, my friend. dionysus Feb 2014 #208
I second that! You summed it up perfectly. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #281
what about the opposite assumption hfojvt Feb 2014 #344
wishing for whit privilege? Noted. bettyellen Mar 2014 #437
that's just so fucking ridiculous hfojvt Feb 2014 #330
When you say that ... LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #107
Very well said. YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #132
When you say that all white males DO have "white privilege"..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #167
Exactly. Privilege is more about the bad things that *don't* happen to you in life. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #282
Maybe the reason for the difficulty is that the term is flawed. You could consider that. El_Johns Feb 2014 #367
Exactly! Why aren't people getting this? AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #170
I agree! nt arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #88
I'm "white" myself. And I am perfectly willing to admit..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #158
The privileged... coming to terms with a choice of words!! Whisp Feb 2014 #166
Telling people of color how they are fighting racism wrong. Where have I seen that tactic before? Squinch Feb 2014 #119
Does sound familiar, doesn't it!? Whisp Feb 2014 #133
Except the meme in its current manifestation comes out of the white ivy league and feminist studies El_Johns Feb 2014 #149
So what? Squinch Feb 2014 #153
So questioning the meme of "white privilege" doesn't equal "telling black people they are fighting El_Johns Feb 2014 #164
That makes no sense at all. The term "democratic" comes from a french word that came from a greek Squinch Feb 2014 #168
If the originators of the term and the most visible promoters of the term are mainly white, El_Johns Feb 2014 #172
Do you believe that white privilege exists? Squinch Feb 2014 #173
lol. the phenomenon you label as white privilege exists. questioning the label and its theoretical El_Johns Feb 2014 #175
The thing exists but using its name is theoretically vacuous? Squinch Feb 2014 #185
Yes. It explains nothing and nothing follows from it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #217
You know you're not making any sense, right? Squinch Feb 2014 #218
None so blind El_Johns Feb 2014 #236
...as those who will not see that white privilege is a fact of American life in 2014. Squinch Feb 2014 #409
At least, not to you. kwassa Feb 2014 #250
well, what does it explain? and what are we supposed to do after accepting our "white privilege"? El_Johns Feb 2014 #251
It explains the way our society works, and ... kwassa Feb 2014 #257
It doesn't explain how our society works at all. That's one of the reasons I take exception to it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #259
or not how you see society works. kwassa Feb 2014 #266
OK, how does it explain how society works? What's the explanation? El_Johns Feb 2014 #267
Tim Wise actually isn't from an upper-middle class background YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #155
How's that? His grandfather owned a chain of liquor stores and other properties. El_Johns Feb 2014 #160
I doubt that very seriously. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #159
The reality of white privilege was a phase that you went through? Squinch Feb 2014 #162
The *belief* in white privilege, yeah. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #169
I KNOW. And I'm glad you see it! Squinch Feb 2014 #171
Why is it more productive? Particularly here at DU? el_bryanto Feb 2014 #9
Perhaps there have been "white privilege" threads that have been civilized and productive Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #15
Maybe you aren't looking hard enough el_bryanto Feb 2014 #22
What would you call a productive discussion? BainsBane Feb 2014 #46
And all the while, they insist their supposed hurt feelings be catered to, while not giving a nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #283
You care about the perspectives of blacks that slap you on the back and say amen. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #382
I don't have a marketing department BainsBane Feb 2014 #386
I don't need an African American group to find out what black folks think. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #387
Well there are black folks in the world outside from your own family BainsBane Feb 2014 #388
Strange but true. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #389
Are you asserting that only black people like the President? BainsBane Feb 2014 #390
Not at all. That would be a statistically false statement. I'm saying your sample is comprised of TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #395
This is a Democratic forum BainsBane Mar 2014 #429
What a stunning nerve you have! Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #397
A nerve? BainsBane Feb 2014 #398
I read the subthread for myself, thanks. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #401
It must be nice that you found someone BainsBane Feb 2014 #424
Zero-meaning, pseudo-psychobabble word salad. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #431
"I would think you would want to have these discussions in the African American group". Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #432
No, not at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #434
Honestly, this is one of the most eloquent and thoughtful responses I've seen on here. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #406
I don't claim to support you with my post BainsBane Feb 2014 #423
+1 (I don't understand the BOG hate either.) bravenak Mar 2014 #428
And maybe -no definitely - the people denying white privilege and not those pointing it out are the Squinch Feb 2014 #124
Because one suggests remedies. The other not. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #48
Where are the remedies in the OP? n/t geardaddy Feb 2014 #91
The only one I can see is "We need to be more gentle talking about these things." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #284
Honestly gollygee Feb 2014 #286
And replicating it helps? El_Johns Feb 2014 #366
Is it just that you choose not to understand the underlying concept? LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #11
"Privilege". If you really, truly think this is a helpful educational tool..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154
you cant end discrimination if those who benefit from it dont acknowledge it. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #13
Yep. "You're privileged! Acknowledge it! Acknowledge it!" (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #17
LOL. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #19
if it hurts the delicate eyes of some white people geek tragedy Feb 2014 #20
It takes a lot more than words and phrases to "hurt my delicate eyes". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #27
you don't seem very dispassionate nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #75
Neither do you, I'm afraid. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #161
oh boy. geardaddy Feb 2014 #23
To refuse to do so is to be dedicated to it's continuation BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
Well, give it a try. Squinch Feb 2014 #128
Except that practically no-one does benefit from it. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #47
Then what? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #51
Very true .... etherealtruth Feb 2014 #72
You really don't get it at all BainsBane Feb 2014 #24
Well, if you think that it's productive to accuse others of "internalizing" their racism, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #32
Let's focus on something besides you for a minute BainsBane Feb 2014 #40
I believe that every DUer understands all that. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #42
There is a contradiction BainsBane Feb 2014 #43
It is not necessary to feel privileged to be privileged. kwassa Feb 2014 #63
I think what we are witnessing here BainsBane Feb 2014 #121
beyond not caring, to kwassa Feb 2014 #138
Without question BainsBane Feb 2014 #141
Yes, and what could possibly matter more than some white people's personal feelings on the subject? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #314
straw man that no one ever said. El_Johns Feb 2014 #80
Blatantly false BainsBane Feb 2014 #87
People say "race and class are the same thing" all the time? Do tell. El_Johns Feb 2014 #98
To say that much would assume they have thought the issue through enough BainsBane Feb 2014 #115
NO. You are pretending that people who take exception to the white privilege meme do it because El_Johns Feb 2014 #127
I already asked you what it was about if not that BainsBane Feb 2014 #245
Look, many people on these threads have expressed what it's about. The objections are various. El_Johns Feb 2014 #246
Did it occur to you that telling members of color BainsBane Feb 2014 #270
1. I've told no "members of color" they shouldn't raise issues of concern to them. El_Johns Feb 2014 #276
Don't you love being lectured by the uber-righteous? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #54
As opposed to the self-absorbed? BainsBane Feb 2014 #118
"What is most essential is that you never be confronted with the reality of the world around you." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #316
I've seen your "approach" to issues of race. morningfog Feb 2014 #264
Ummm... my ancestors were slaves 1awake Feb 2014 #60
How often are you pulled over by cops for no reason but the color of your skin? BainsBane Feb 2014 #92
Exactly. Even putting aside past injustices, there are still plenty in the present. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #319
Awesomely spectacular post, BainsBane. Really. Number23 Feb 2014 #211
+1 freshwest Feb 2014 #274
Hate to disagree with you, and mostly I don't but... DanTex Feb 2014 #379
I don't understand why white privilege bothers people. HappyMe Feb 2014 #28
Well it is all about making you feel good, after all gollygee Feb 2014 #29
The issue here is not really about "feeling good". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #33
I think we need to be challenged to recognize all of racism gollygee Feb 2014 #36
This. redqueen Feb 2014 #64
Well said! Solly Mack Feb 2014 #111
You are so right: Squinch Feb 2014 #134
All of this. ^^ Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #189
+1 Excellent post. myrna minx Feb 2014 #385
You nailed it. nt cinnabonbon Mar 2014 #436
Why must a discussion of white privilege be unproductive? kwassa Feb 2014 #71
There is subjective perception, and objective reality YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #112
If all you have to do is acknowledge it, what's so bad about it? treestar Feb 2014 #31
Every DUer (I hope) acknowledges that racism exists. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #37
That's the second time you said "squawking" geardaddy Feb 2014 #49
I don't think it's an argument, really. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #59
OK, so in your opinion, where do we go from here? geardaddy Feb 2014 #62
You're kidding, right? As if the response to "institutional racism" can or should be met by El_Johns Feb 2014 #82
OK, what I meant was what geardaddy Feb 2014 #84
Again, with the what have *I* done, as if my individual response to racism were the linchpin El_Johns Feb 2014 #95
All right. So, we do nothing then? geardaddy Feb 2014 #99
If the diagnosis of the problem is that individuals do not accept the reality of their white El_Johns Feb 2014 #102
Then what about the OP's geardaddy Feb 2014 #109
"Work to end discrimination" is empty cant, especially when all the energy of those El_Johns Feb 2014 #130
If people would stop derailing discussions about white privilege because they object to the term Squinch Feb 2014 #142
No kidding. Then I wouldn't have to do anything more, right? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #58
So start the discussion, what specific actions do you propose to combat racism? Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #210
I am a white man that does not mind talking about White Privilege. Rex Feb 2014 #38
I'd rather accuracy than image and branding. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #50
The job isn't completed when the mechanic agrees that the car is broken. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #55
so we should recognize it and work to eliminate it. kwassa Feb 2014 #66
"simply be aware of our privilege" = lol. El_Johns Feb 2014 #83
Really? I have experienced plenty of white people who deny the very concept of "privilege"... YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #106
So long as even one person persists in saying "privilege isn't the right way to think about this"... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #176
Depends on the motivation of the person saying it... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #52
I think that is a common sense approach. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #56
Its a poor term to use Token Republican Feb 2014 #65
I think you are confusing overt government actions such as Affirmative Action, Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #380
Probably why MLK and Malcom X talked about racial discrimination... KansDem Feb 2014 #67
People said Malcom X and Martin Luther King were going about it the wrong way back then gollygee Feb 2014 #68
You'll have to enlighten me as to who these "people" were. KansDem Feb 2014 #76
Our understanding of discrimination has not evolved since the 1960s? kwassa Feb 2014 #74
What would I expect to find? KansDem Feb 2014 #77
You would discover the concept of white privilege emerged in the past 20 years. kwassa Feb 2014 #81
A more sophisticated understanding? KansDem Feb 2014 #86
Use Google. You will find out a lot. kwassa Feb 2014 #96
lol. It's not a bit sophisticated. It's the opposite of sophisticated. El_Johns Feb 2014 #94
If you have a critique of white privilege theory, then make it. kwassa Feb 2014 #97
lol. El_Johns Feb 2014 #100
I have. And it's very interesting that the person who coined the term did so in Marxist terms, in El_Johns Feb 2014 #93
A discussion of social class is not necessarily Marxist at all. kwassa Feb 2014 #103
I've read "Unpacking". In comparison with Theodore Allen's work, it's a child's scribble. El_Johns Feb 2014 #117
Thank you very much for the links, interesting reading. kwassa Feb 2014 #135
Coke and Pepsi are also popular with many people. El_Johns Feb 2014 #140
and that reason would be ....? kwassa Feb 2014 #145
Because he was a working class scholar unaffiliated with institutional power, and a Marxist. El_Johns Feb 2014 #151
White privilege is about the privilege of whites in the US. kwassa Feb 2014 #183
"White people have a definite self-interest in changing things." I agree with this much anyway. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #321
MLK wasn't a a university professor who had to justify his existence LittleBlue Feb 2014 #89
Astute observation KansDem Feb 2014 #393
White privilege is very real. liberalmuse Feb 2014 #78
Get back to me when the acronym DWW becomes mainstream. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #90
No one "jokes" about reducing the welfare rolls by murdering "white thugs." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #322
You make excellent points. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #376
No. YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #101
I have no problem with the concept of "white privilege" steve2470 Feb 2014 #105
Acknowledging all forms of privilege is better than... MellowDem Feb 2014 #114
The logical problem with the term "white privilege" means that we're all privileged LittleBlue Feb 2014 #123
The other problem is that it disappears real privilege: the privilege of the ruling class that El_Johns Feb 2014 #137
Right. Socioeconomic privilege is really what people think LittleBlue Feb 2014 #148
But a middle- or upper-class black man is still more likely to be hassled by cops nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #325
No one said that they are "equal" in their privilege YoungDemCA Feb 2014 #157
"white privilege" is a blanket term. I & george are both white, thus we are equal in our "white El_Johns Feb 2014 #163
They ARE equal in their white privilege, they are not equal in their total personal privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #198
Yes, George & I are equal in our white privilege. But that really doesn't explain anything, does it El_Johns Feb 2014 #213
Oh, it does. kwassa Feb 2014 #232
what does it explain? El_Johns Feb 2014 #235
Differential treatment that you will never see. kwassa Feb 2014 #252
That was explained long ago. "white privilege" is just slapping another label on it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #253
It is a good label. kwassa Feb 2014 #262
What has the new label accomplished? In real life, I mean. El_Johns Feb 2014 #265
They are not equal in their privilege. There's a tremendous difference in social class. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #324
Yes, intersectionality etc. Which leads, in these discussions, to people toting up all their El_Johns Feb 2014 #338
I don't think of this as a "game" with a "score," and I doubt many people who are actually nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #341
I don't know about that; I'm just saying that there always seems to be a few in these El_Johns Feb 2014 #346
White people are the solution. bravenak Feb 2014 #350
How so? El_Johns Feb 2014 #353
If the problem lies with racism of whites against blacks. bravenak Feb 2014 #355
How? El_Johns Feb 2014 #361
That's for white people to figure out. bravenak Feb 2014 #362
OK. So what I don't understand is that if you start from the proposition that whites as a category El_Johns Feb 2014 #365
Why would they stop being racist? Most white people aren't racist. bravenak Feb 2014 #368
OK. So you're not saying that whites as a category are racist. That wasn't apparent from your El_Johns Feb 2014 #370
Did you leave DU?? bravenak Feb 2014 #407
"But suddenly everyone who hasn't experienced sexual abuse is privileged to have avoided that nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #323
Who has ever said: Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #139
I think the bigger issue is believing that you know what is best for others. idendoit Feb 2014 #144
The problem is, this same attitude has been rather prevalent with certain sets......... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #179
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You make a couple of valid points. idendoit Feb 2014 #194
I think I see where you're coming from. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #201
Exactly. Exactly. This times infinity. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #147
Why not... LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #174
the wword is not derailing discusision- people are. Oversensitive, self involved people who do not bettyellen Feb 2014 #181
If the communication is not effective toward the audience that needs to receive it TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #302
I don't think anyones making PSAs about the privilege- are they? Just having an honest discussion bettyellen Feb 2014 #304
So sorry that the way I discuss the racism in America offends you so much. bravenak Feb 2014 #182
It doesn't offend me in the slightest. I'm not sure where you got that from. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #193
You are right JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #200
Once again, we are all on the same side here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #205
No I'm sorry you are wrong JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #207
You better be!! bravenak Feb 2014 #231
Oh, HELL yeah. Number23 Feb 2014 #294
Then stop doing it. Squinch Feb 2014 #216
"The goal is to discuss racial issues in a non-contentious, productive manner." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #326
"Focus on Snowden because that's all DU can handle" Number23 Feb 2014 #293
You should check out JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #345
Right. bravenak Feb 2014 #224
Believe me (or not), at my age it takes an awful lot more to offend me than a phrase Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #234
I'm offended that you have the nerve to tell black people which terms they should use to make you bravenak Feb 2014 #238
I'm sorry that you think that observing that a particular phrase tends to be unhelpful Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #240
You should be sorry for telling us which terms you prefer. bravenak Feb 2014 #247
It's not really a question of "which term I prefer". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #254
The old way of saying it nicely hasn't been effective. It hasn't been productive. It's just talk. bravenak Feb 2014 #258
When a black guy took North Carolina and Virginia in the 2008 presidential election, Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #261
He was trying to win an election. bravenak Feb 2014 #269
But you're trying to further your views, aren't you? El_Johns Feb 2014 #289
Nope. bravenak Feb 2014 #290
OK. And other people presumably state what they think is plain as well. The term doesn't make El_Johns Feb 2014 #292
Cool. bravenak Feb 2014 #299
I don't propose anything like "fixing the economic issues first". But I don't see much of El_Johns Feb 2014 #300
FDR. bravenak Feb 2014 #301
So politicians recruit black support and fail to follow through on their promises? Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #305
" Blacks got less of the benefit from the new deal than others" bravenak Feb 2014 #306
I don't disagree, except with the usefulness of the term. As I've stated before. Ta da! El_Johns Feb 2014 #312
But, it doesn't matter to me if you find it useful. bravenak Feb 2014 #337
I didn't think it did. Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #339
Good. Then don't take it personally. bravenak Feb 2014 #343
I don't. Obviously. El_Johns Feb 2014 #347
I can't tell. bravenak Feb 2014 #348
I can't tell that your comments aren't intended personally either, but I take you at your word in El_Johns Feb 2014 #354
You seem to have something more on your mind. bravenak Feb 2014 #358
"The real cause of racism" is WHITE PEOPLE. PERIOD. White people INVENTED that shit! nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #327
I didn't ask for a get out of jail card or anything of the sort. And yelling doesn't get your point El_Johns Feb 2014 #333
But I'm not talking about a hypothetical world in which white people don't exist. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #336
Are there fair advantages? El_Johns Feb 2014 #340
Maybe, maybe not. But that's kind of beside the point, for the purposes of this discussion. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #342
The reason I ask is, I feel the hidden assumption of meritocracy in these discussions and can't help El_Johns Feb 2014 #351
Maybe. Just as some have a blind spot RE: race, others have one RE: class. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #356
With that I agree completely. El_Johns Feb 2014 #357
That nails it JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #196
TPS REPORTS!!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #222
Just came across this thread JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #225
It's like this all the time now. bravenak Feb 2014 #230
bravenak, you rock! kwassa Feb 2014 #199
She doesn't give herself enough credit JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #209
absolutely. kwassa Feb 2014 #226
Thank you. bravenak Feb 2014 #227
you are most welcome. kwassa Feb 2014 #229
Oh my goodness. I left this ignorant, pointless thread too soon Number23 Feb 2014 #291
I've been trying not to even say anything. bravenak Feb 2014 #298
Yeah, if you could just take off your white colored glasses Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #188
+ infinity nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #328
Hmm work to end . . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #191
"Let's work to end racial discrimination" is a better response to white privilege than complaining fishwax Feb 2014 #204
i own white privilege. it doesnt derail, it enhances and enlightens conversation. to deny seabeyond Feb 2014 #219
I'm not proposing to "deny the existence of white privilege". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #220
people DENY white privilege. it is a reality for those not white. they are denying a quiet form of seabeyond Feb 2014 #223
As long as they keep denying obvious realities, the rest of us will keep "hectoring" them! nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #329
Very well said JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #221
thank you. but, it truly makes no sense to me that white people cannot see it. it is so fuggin seabeyond Feb 2014 #228
While there may have been deniers, I haven't seen one here. 1awake Feb 2014 #241
I may have a solution. westerebus Feb 2014 #233
That is not a solution. bravenak Feb 2014 #239
There's no requirement to participate. westerebus Feb 2014 #242
It's the hyperbole I object to. bravenak Feb 2014 #249
"It's the hyperbole I object to". I think that we are approaching a meeting of minds here. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #256
Saying White privilege is not hyperbole. bravenak Feb 2014 #260
Why would you be disappointed? westerebus Feb 2014 #391
You are lucky to live in such a wonderful place. bravenak Feb 2014 #394
I wish you well. westerebus Feb 2014 #404
Ok. If you were being serious I'm sorry. bravenak Feb 2014 #405
The comment of never ever ever... was intended to make you laugh westerebus Feb 2014 #410
I glad we can be civil. bravenak Feb 2014 #412
Of course we are... westerebus Feb 2014 #417
double-plus good, comrade. El_Johns Feb 2014 #243
White guy says "Let's not talk about white privilege!" Scootaloo Feb 2014 #248
Hmmmm. If I really "work hard to belittle the murder of black children", Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #255
Of course you pride yourself on being just offensive enough to not get hidden. morningfog Feb 2014 #268
Nope. Fools no one. And never has Number23 Feb 2014 #296
No-one? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #400
Some people are absolute masters at toeing the line... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #331
Still refusing to acknowledge your white privilege? morningfog Feb 2014 #263
Again, it's not a question of being "comfortable". Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #271
It is a necessary step for real change to occur. You are an obstructionist, charitably. morningfog Feb 2014 #272
In what way is it a necessary step for "real change"? If it's necessary, why wasn't it necessary El_Johns Feb 2014 #278
same thing. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #285
would this have to be in the 'Queen's English' by any chance? Whisp Feb 2014 #287
I agree. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #288
Jesus Christ! Doesn't anybody have a life? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #295
"A great many whites...do not feel especially 'privileged.'" Heidi Feb 2014 #297
Oooh, nine recs out of 300. Would that any of you nine would think about that. bettyellen Feb 2014 #310
Tell me Betty, what are the achievements of 20+ years of the "white privilege" meme? El_Johns Feb 2014 #313
are you fucking kidding me? why would you think that is quantifiable movement or PSA or something? bettyellen Feb 2014 #317
Again, "people who work in anti-racism campaigns all the time" are not the target for your supposed El_Johns Feb 2014 #320
Do you have any idea how pompous and condescending you sound? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #332
I don't much care about your opinion of how I sound. And you don't know anything about what I have El_Johns Feb 2014 #334
I don't think that person is talking to you. bravenak Feb 2014 #369
Oops. I thought it linked to mine. In which case I would have had every reason to take it personal El_Johns Feb 2014 #371
White culture is so pervasive that many consider it the norm Skidmore Feb 2014 #372
yeah, frame the discussion on a way to appease the oppressors.. boston bean Feb 2014 #373
For you maybe. But not for me. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #378
I thought I should post the conclusion I reached in post 380 Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #381
"Favorable treatment to a group which is white" Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #383
Nye, I'm telling you that there is a subtly here that is creating the confusion for a lot of people. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #384
+1000 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #411
When I write my story, they will have something to hang their hat on. Baitball Blogger Feb 2014 #415
Definitely. Orsino Feb 2014 #396
White privilege doesn't mean "whites are so privileged" boston bean Feb 2014 #399
Because reducing a nuanced argument to a simplistic strawman makes it easier nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #413
Agreed 100% SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #402
Nothing wrong with that sentiment, in and of itself. But it requires the assumption that the OP nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #414
Well I can't speak to that SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #421
In general I agree with that. Where we may disagree is on the source of said "division." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #422
I don't think we disagree on any of that SirRevolutionary Feb 2014 #425
I don't think it's "ostracizing people who disagree" to suggest that their posts don't come off nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #426
Ahhh in that case SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #427
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