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I don't think it is ok. n/t Agschmid Feb 2014 #1
The problem is that the phrase "objectifying" doesn't actually mean anything. Bonobo Feb 2014 #2
Cake. As in piece of cake. LuvLoogie Feb 2014 #3
OMG, I've never seen this mainer Feb 2014 #77
Gotta love Lucy Lawless LuvLoogie Feb 2014 #119
Hi mom! DeadEyeDyck Feb 2014 #108
It is reducing a woman's worth to the size/quality of her breasts and other physical attributes hlthe2b Feb 2014 #4
I know what you THINK it means, but how do you mean "reduce"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #7
Your attitude and professed lack of understanding says more about you hlthe2b Feb 2014 #12
Fly off the handle that easily all the time or just today? nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #17
Interesting post. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #41
Well Bonobo, ignorance requires education, lest it lead to permanant stupidity. Let me help. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #66
I find your education lacking, so let me fill in the blanks Major Nikon Feb 2014 #71
This is absolutely HILARIOUS coming from you, Scootaloo ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #307
Actually, my right-wing friend... Scootaloo Feb 2014 #309
Ah, you're lying as usual, Scootaloo ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #312
I agree with you Lucinda Feb 2014 #116
Only in your mind, does it reduce a woman's worth. phleshdef Feb 2014 #172
Bull shit.. Just because YOU have not experienced the repercussions of this kind of attitude hlthe2b Feb 2014 #198
I'm not man splaining anything phleshdef Feb 2014 #204
No, you are being insulting. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #209
stop getting all butthurt because of blaring holes in your logic phleshdef Feb 2014 #211
Iwill not have someone who uses ugly homophobic language try to tell me how to perceive hlthe2b Feb 2014 #214
Butthurt is not a homophobic term, not even in the slightest phleshdef Feb 2014 #219
Skinner addressed this in ATA hlthe2b Feb 2014 #224
Yea, did you read what he said? He AGREES with me. phleshdef Feb 2014 #225
He indicated he had learned something and would no longer use. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #227
No, he indicated that he changed his post in order because someone took it the wrong way. phleshdef Feb 2014 #229
Oh my. RBStevens Feb 2014 #238
of course I know that phleshdef Feb 2014 #247
What I'm saying is that some people RBStevens Feb 2014 #249
No I don't. It was a joke. phleshdef Feb 2014 #285
Oh so "it was a joke"? RBStevens Feb 2014 #291
Yea, and everything is "belittling" when you're such a god damn political emo. phleshdef Feb 2014 #315
Call me square, but I never did understand what "emo" means. RBStevens Feb 2014 #316
Ahhh, Spring! hlthe2b Feb 2014 #242
This message was self-deleted by its author phleshdef Feb 2014 #218
Change this to race, such as a President Aerows Feb 2014 #207
OMG Skittles Feb 2014 #233
Note the earlier conversation... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #235
What about gay men objectifying men? Or Lesbians Objectifying Women? TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #272
If either have or are allowed to become a systematic method of discrimination hlthe2b Feb 2014 #277
Of course... everyone has... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #295
You seem to (like many others) be confusing gender attraction in relationships with professional hlthe2b Feb 2014 #296
Your straw man is pretty obvious... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2014 #314
It isn't saying men shouldn't desire women kcr Feb 2014 #8
I don't think it belonged in GD either for what it's worth. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #10
Thank you. eShirl Feb 2014 #68
Just answer my question Bonobo, are you one of these women Tumbulu Feb 2014 #15
I'll try to answer, Tumbulu. Bonobo Feb 2014 #19
OK, here is the thing, Tumbulu Feb 2014 #25
I don't think the two things are as separate as you make them out to be. Bonobo Feb 2014 #30
I see a very big difference between dressing to feel good Tumbulu Feb 2014 #37
With all due respect, I think you didn't read my response carefully enough. Bonobo Feb 2014 #40
Well, I am sorry to have not understood you Tumbulu Feb 2014 #47
But the SI cover is not normal life. It is a commercial enterprise to sell magazines and soap. Bonobo Feb 2014 #51
I do not see dressing up to impress other women Tumbulu Feb 2014 #53
Exactly JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #256
Thank you! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #284
Perhaps most people don't dress to ATTRACT, but rather... Beartracks Feb 2014 #60
Because "objectifying" is NOT just about attraction. Bonobo Feb 2014 #62
I think you are right about that! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #63
Hold the phone. Fundamental and massive failure here. yewberry Feb 2014 #67
No. TM99 Feb 2014 #109
I'm not conflating anything. yewberry Feb 2014 #155
Indeed yes you are. TM99 Feb 2014 #156
Sorry, that's some seriously funny stuff. yewberry Feb 2014 #157
We are eye level adults. TM99 Feb 2014 #306
Actually, I'm not sure we are. yewberry Feb 2014 #308
Correcting in a debate is not equivalent to silencing, TM99 Feb 2014 #310
Exceptional post. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #255
The real issue is that the SI cover doesn't belong on a political website pnwmom Feb 2014 #72
Yes it does... if only for the topic to discuss gender wars DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #201
Oh man. Radical Fundamentalism? RBStevens Feb 2014 #212
Discussion is fine... trying to ban images is "radical" DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #221
Okay so now discussing the issue of sexual objectification RBStevens Feb 2014 #226
Where did I say I was trying to ban them? I was trying to encourage people to think. pnwmom Feb 2014 #250
You think it's fine for people to post objectifying T & A photos pnwmom Feb 2014 #248
^this^ perfect! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #245
Actually it has been defined, but I don't think those who promote the idea would like who defined it Major Nikon Feb 2014 #82
I don't think you know the definition gollygee Feb 2014 #87
Yes, objectifying means treating something like an object. DanTex Feb 2014 #90
but but but but boston bean Feb 2014 #95
It's sad so many of us women... seattledo Feb 2014 #5
I'm just going to share these quotes here: redqueen Feb 2014 #111
+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #292
That second quote is fantastic. Thanks. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #300
Objectification starts early and can never end for either gender ... MindMover Feb 2014 #6
Babies expect their parents to feed them. Bonobo Feb 2014 #9
Across the board ... MindMover Feb 2014 #14
Nope, you missed the point. Bonobo Feb 2014 #16
I have been a Buddhist from before you were a twinkle in your fathers eyes ... MindMover Feb 2014 #20
Strange thing to say Bonobo Feb 2014 #26
To that degree of separation lay the seeds of mankind's destruction or salvation ... MindMover Feb 2014 #35
Depending on what seeds one wants to sow Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #239
I am referring to degrees of separation ... MindMover Feb 2014 #280
In what you are describing JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #293
Please answer my question, and don't switch it around. Tumbulu Feb 2014 #18
I do not think that they see "objectifying" as the concrete, all-encompassing thing that some do. Bonobo Feb 2014 #22
Why are there dumb blonde jokes ???? MindMover Feb 2014 #23
Only minority it's still "safe" to tell jokes about Fumesucker Feb 2014 #65
Nietsche said that the only time sex doesn't rear it's ugly head leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #125
And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Feb 2014 #11
does this include cats? snooper2 Feb 2014 #13
and ponies and furries, too. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #21
A question - If a woman wasn't offended by the SI cover, does that mean... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #24
Well, it sure makes me puzzled Tumbulu Feb 2014 #27
I think it was about three scantily clad models on a beach... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #31
Violet, Squinch Feb 2014 #80
Hi Squinch. I've just woken up, so I hope my answers make sense... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #180
I appreciate the responses. I also remember the Squinch Feb 2014 #189
You just hit the nail on the head about what was bothering me about it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #251
Wow, someone actually asking that instead of telling someone what they thought The Straight Story Feb 2014 #36
Yr still watching Supernatural? I gave up after series 3... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #42
I am upset with how they objectify sam and dean. Seen them without shirts on! The Straight Story Feb 2014 #45
Thanks Straight Story Tumbulu Feb 2014 #44
Pretty much spot on. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #114
I don't objectify any sex so no need to answer this ridiculous question. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #28
I have a terrible feeling I've been objectifying the man I've been going out with... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #34
Oh, you are talking about sexual attraction, and dare I say lust? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #38
I've yet to admit the worst of all.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #43
Well, if it's any consolation I guess I'm bad too. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #103
That sucks about yr mum.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #168
Indeed. OP fail LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #54
OMG ... I am getting so tired of that shit ... YES ... I feel great when my husband loves my tits tandot Feb 2014 #29
I would say he is a lucky man The Straight Story Feb 2014 #39
You know, TSS, I am on DU daily and I follow most posts and also your posts tandot Feb 2014 #46
It's amazing, isn't it? The insane notion that women like fucking? Some women really like it, msanthrope Feb 2014 #79
In what way did that SI cover have anything to do with women liking or not liking fucking? Squinch Feb 2014 #83
Moving the goalposts to cover for a badly-reasoned OP isn't a very skilled move. msanthrope Feb 2014 #85
Your statement: "The insane notion that women like fucking." I'm asking you what the issue at hand Squinch Feb 2014 #89
Again..why are you trying to control the conversation between two women? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #92
So I guess you won't be answering the question of what the SI cover had to do with women's liking or Squinch Feb 2014 #96
Oh....I have no idea what gave you the impression I was going to answer questions from you. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #101
It has nothing to do with your personal sex life. sufrommich Feb 2014 #81
Actually..since the OP asked about our personal feelings, this thread has quite rightly addressed msanthrope Feb 2014 #88
I'm not "trying to control anyone's answers" sufrommich Feb 2014 #94
I think you are...the problem with poorly-written OPs that question people's feelings is msanthrope Feb 2014 #100
Sorry to break it to you, but this is not about your husband's cock. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #107
Why did you disregard the part where she states 'she' gets satisfaction. polly7 Feb 2014 #112
Trash thread. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #32
I see the human body, male, female, young, old, smooth, wrinkled, polly7 Feb 2014 #33
We subject every human we meet to our own inward standards, whatever those are. Rex Feb 2014 #48
Thanks Rex Tumbulu Feb 2014 #192
I WILL KICK ANALYZING Rexhumbard-ford Bartholamew-Aberdeen Provingrounds Smith ASS Skittles Feb 2014 #281
Okay, but you have to say my full name 3 times...while I get to run and hide first! Rex Feb 2014 #304
This OP comes off as presumptuous and condescending 1000words Feb 2014 #49
Sorry, but I cannot figure this out Tumbulu Feb 2014 #50
What I'm not understanding is this... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #57
It seems as though there are a number of women on DU who Tumbulu Feb 2014 #58
I would imagine it starts from not seeing the magazine as objectification mythology Feb 2014 #76
Well, those are good points Tumbulu Feb 2014 #164
I would say this article on Wikipedia explains the differences of opinions well... stevenleser Feb 2014 #59
Thanks, stevenleser nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #61
I am not one of them. KitSileya Feb 2014 #52
You have not gone off topic Tumbulu Feb 2014 #55
Exactly so. "akin to blue-collar republicans" Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #69
The lack of any consideration of what it does to society KitSileya Feb 2014 #73
Liberals post things like "used my boobs to get out of a speeding ticket" on FB all the time... dogknob Feb 2014 #56
Oh Yeah.. That's Gonna Work... WillyT Feb 2014 #64
A while back another DUer gave a very good answer to this question. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #70
Trash thread Feral Child Feb 2014 #74
This is an interesting question and I too am curious. MadrasT Feb 2014 #75
Do you have a number? Mine is 8....its everywhere... Drew Richards Mar 2014 #327
You have objectified women with your one dimensional OP that insists on a blind dichotomy msanthrope Feb 2014 #78
Your outrage at the time this issue is taking away from ending hunger seems to be Squinch Feb 2014 #84
Even lawyers get time off. And I appreciate the solidarity shown for the OP...you have your msanthrope Feb 2014 #86
Why yes, they do. So your concern about time taken from "other issues" isn't all that valid, is it? Squinch Feb 2014 #91
I have no idea what you consider valid, and I care not to find out. But you seem upset msanthrope Feb 2014 #93
you seem pretty upset that there are those who would disagree with you. boston bean Feb 2014 #98
Another post about women's feelings. Thank you for proving my point. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #102
I see many agreeing and many disagreeing. I have no problem with that. Do you? Squinch Feb 2014 #99
I generally find that when people say they have "no problem" with something, but spend msanthrope Feb 2014 #104
pointing out that what they are using as a point of disagreement isn't boston bean Feb 2014 #105
My language in my posts to you today has not been passive. Squinch Feb 2014 #106
+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #113
Thank you. You know I asked to be banned in HoF last week...they refused. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #117
Oh ... just keep an eye out for a call-out filled with lies polly7 Feb 2014 #118
That would mean reading HoF. And then posting there. Both of which I've never done, except msanthrope Feb 2014 #121
Agree completely. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #124
Part of the reason that women and children are 'valued as trash' RBStevens Feb 2014 #141
Welcome back? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #143
Thanks? RBStevens Feb 2014 #145
Who were you, then? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #148
I'm not sure how I am supposed to answer that. RBStevens Feb 2014 #151
Try the truth....what was your last username? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #305
How does objectifying women improve women's work options? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #165
If this poster agrees that women (and children) are valued as trash RBStevens Feb 2014 #174
welcome to DU Tumbulu Feb 2014 #178
Thanks for the welcome. RBStevens Feb 2014 #184
What I think about objectification, the SI cover and DU justiceischeap Feb 2014 #97
Well, at least as long as you guys are spending your time still fighting over the same 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #110
I used to think it was ok. redqueen Feb 2014 #115
Reminds me of The Straight Story Feb 2014 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Feb 2014 #122
So many distortions, so little time. redqueen Feb 2014 #126
If I had a dollar for every time RBStevens Feb 2014 #144
If I had a dime for every time The Straight Story Feb 2014 #150
People have actually said straight up to you that you hate women? RBStevens Feb 2014 #152
As long as you care what men think about you leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #123
Excellent insight. redqueen Feb 2014 #127
I don't think women have a very good idea leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #317
The message that what men think of their looks is of utmost importance redqueen Feb 2014 #320
I'm not sure we will ever get away from it. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #322
Thanks for your answer Tumbulu Feb 2014 #191
I imagine parenting has a lot to do with it. redqueen Feb 2014 #321
Yes, we really don't see these things until we are much older Tumbulu Feb 2014 #324
Why are you so insulting towards women who happen to see polly7 Feb 2014 #128
Well, when only 5% of the artists in the Modern Art section of the Metropolitan Museum are female, KitSileya Feb 2014 #129
Who said naked men aren't beautiful? - point that out please. polly7 Feb 2014 #131
Nope. When only 15% of nudes on display at an art museum are of men, KitSileya Feb 2014 #134
Many people find the female form beautiful, polly7 Feb 2014 #135
The female form is beautiful - KitSileya Feb 2014 #139
You didn't take that insulting OP as implying some women are gender-traitors? polly7 Feb 2014 #142
I wish I could not look. KitSileya Feb 2014 #146
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #147
Are you serious? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #166
Nudity for the purposes of dishonesty??? polly7 Feb 2014 #193
Are you serious yourself? nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #202
Uhhh .... I didn't say 'are you serious!' - you did. polly7 Feb 2014 #205
Isn't the whole point of "choice" to be what you want to be? Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #130
Objectification does not mean "attractive to others" gollygee Feb 2014 #133
Then clearly "objectification" is wrong for all. Men and women. Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #136
Do you think going up in space (or simulating that) was her idea? gollygee Feb 2014 #149
+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #153
I've only seen two photos, both posted on discussion threads here on DU.... Cofitachequi Feb 2014 #154
"run of the mill model poses" are designed to sell clothes, primarily to women. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #230
Objectification is mankinds way of keeping another person in bondage ... MindMover Feb 2014 #132
For those who think monomania is OK... gulliver Feb 2014 #137
The problem I see is that society has decided that a woman's primary value is how she looks btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #138
welcome to DU and well said Tumbulu Feb 2014 #169
Thank you for the welcome :) btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #196
You're talking second wave feminism to a generation that is more third wave. craigmatic Feb 2014 #140
I am asking women who think it is OK to tell me why Tumbulu Feb 2014 #171
This anti choice feminism is prude and disgusting. CFLDem Feb 2014 #158
Did you read the OP? Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #159
Choice is about more than abortion CFLDem Feb 2014 #160
I didn't ask what it had to do with abortion. Choice isn't the topic. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #162
Sorry to appear self righteous Tumbulu Feb 2014 #173
It's could be any mixture of all three motivations. CFLDem Feb 2014 #183
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #161
I think your OP is offensive ecstatic Feb 2014 #163
Sorry, but I honestly do not understand this Tumbulu Feb 2014 #175
Your starting point is that you are the authority on what counts as objectifying women ecstatic Feb 2014 #190
OK, in my OP is asked about objectification Tumbulu Feb 2014 #195
I agree, and that is the definition of Radical Fundamentalism DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #206
It's not ok...but...never give a sucker an even break Zorra Feb 2014 #167
This pseudo-feminist bullshit does nothing but distract from real women's issues that desperately... phleshdef Feb 2014 #170
What are the "real problems" facing women? RBStevens Feb 2014 #176
Do you really need me to explain them to you? phleshdef Feb 2014 #179
I did not say that anyone should feel guilt about looking at RBStevens Feb 2014 #186
No not really because these are age old problems... phleshdef Feb 2014 #213
Alright, if women have been treated like shit since the beginning of time RBStevens Feb 2014 #223
+1 btrflykng9 Feb 2014 #187
And how do we improve the situation with the endless Tumbulu Feb 2014 #177
Commodification at what level? Some commodification is fine and shouldn't be ended. phleshdef Feb 2014 #181
So, as a woman, you enjoy this as playful banter Tumbulu Feb 2014 #185
I'm not a woman phleshdef Feb 2014 #200
Well, then the question was not addressed to you Tumbulu Feb 2014 #208
I don't feel guilty, that's my point phleshdef Feb 2014 #210
Do you post T&A photos in a place you share with women in real life? Squinch Feb 2014 #194
I don't post photos of anyone anywhere, what are you talking about? phleshdef Feb 2014 #197
I don't mind whether you post or not, but YOU were saying that discussing Squinch Feb 2014 #234
As long as its not against the rules, then its not against the rules. phleshdef Feb 2014 #236
There are certain things that we all agree are not acceptable. Bigotry and homophobia are two. Squinch Feb 2014 #241
+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #244
Ah - the tone criticism. Yes if they would just keep to issues you don't find uncomfortable. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #232
My mother falls under this statement RBStevens Feb 2014 #182
See, I am nearly 60 and there some girls older Tumbulu Feb 2014 #188
There are always some girls, no matter the generation, who aren't interested RBStevens Feb 2014 #203
That is true, but this socializing effect is worrying to me Tumbulu Feb 2014 #215
I wish I could find it now, but I can't remember where I read it and who posted Squinch Feb 2014 #220
Thanks, that is interesting and illuminating Tumbulu Feb 2014 #231
Thank YOU. And one more thought: Squinch Feb 2014 #246
So true again! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #257
Serious question, will you define "objectify" for us? If so, thanks. Deep13 Feb 2014 #199
Well, I do not have the skills to do that. Tumbulu Feb 2014 #228
Thanks. I appreciate it. ... Deep13 Feb 2014 #303
What I don't want to do is to privilege sexuality. Deep13 Mar 2014 #325
thank you for the insight Tumbulu Mar 2014 #326
You're the one reducing these women to objects. polly7 Feb 2014 #216
Do you really not understand why many women don't want to see T & A photos on a pnwmom Feb 2014 #253
I was replying that ugly, insulting OP in kind. polly7 Feb 2014 #258
How could she not have realized -- and on some level have wanted -- pnwmom Feb 2014 #259
I have no idea. polly7 Feb 2014 #260
I didn't find the op to be ugly, insulting or ridiculous at all. RBStevens Feb 2014 #261
Well good for you! Plenty of others did. polly7 Feb 2014 #262
I've read this entire thread throughout the day RBStevens Feb 2014 #268
You implied that just because 'you' didn't get that from the OP, polly7 Feb 2014 #271
I did not imply anything. RBStevens Feb 2014 #276
Curious about why you find my op insulting Tumbulu Feb 2014 #263
I've spelled out why, twice now. polly7 Feb 2014 #265
So what is this "ugly crap" Tumbulu Feb 2014 #270
Your OP .... polly7 Feb 2014 #273
You seem to misunderstand me a bit Tumbulu Feb 2014 #278
Well there ya go ... polly7 Feb 2014 #279
That SI cover looked like typical women on a beach to you? Tumbulu Feb 2014 #282
EXACTLY like typical women on a beach, to me. polly7 Feb 2014 #283
No, you said her words are "stupid" amongst other things. RBStevens Feb 2014 #294
I said the OP slamming other women for not believing as she does was polly7 Feb 2014 #297
Is this enough of a whole quote - RBStevens Feb 2014 #298
Frankly, I don't give a flying fuck what you do. polly7 Feb 2014 #299
Your response doesn't make sense to me. I supplied the full quote RBStevens Feb 2014 #301
I absolutely cannot mimi85 Feb 2014 #217
What do you think of Miley Cyrus? B Calm Feb 2014 #222
I feel sad for her Tumbulu Feb 2014 #240
I feel sad for her too. RBStevens Feb 2014 #243
so true nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #252
Married 40 years HockeyMom Feb 2014 #237
That's a coincidence. LWolf Feb 2014 #254
Thank you LWolf, Tumbulu Feb 2014 #267
You're welcome. LWolf Feb 2014 #313
Well said. Thank you. RBStevens Feb 2014 #269
What is your personal definition of objectification, for this specific post? Butterbean Feb 2014 #264
I answered that in reply 228 Tumbulu Feb 2014 #274
Hmm. Okay. Butterbean Feb 2014 #287
Thanks or writing so much to think about Tumbulu Feb 2014 #288
All excellent points, and ones that I agree with actually. Butterbean Feb 2014 #289
I'm not one of those women who thinks objectifying women is good Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #266
Thanks very good points nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #275
worthy of its own thread Skittles Feb 2014 #286
Thank you! Maybe I'll post it again somewhere. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #302
**********^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^********************* Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #318
Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #319
Trash. 840high Feb 2014 #290
Trash Thread Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #311
Good intentions, shitty loaded "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. alp227 Feb 2014 #323
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