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Thank you. Very well put. n/t TDale313 Feb 2014 #1
Well said kcr Feb 2014 #2
You know what else is embarrassing? Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #3
Do you think that objectification of women is a problem? DanTex Feb 2014 #4
It is, but... TreasonousBastard Feb 2014 #5
Maybe if some posters were less dedicated to turning DU into FreeRepublic 2.0, it wouldn't be needed Scootaloo Feb 2014 #16
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #35
More like Facebook. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #48
It's been trending that way for some time theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #87
I used to recommend DU to all my progressive friends. No more. CTyankee Feb 2014 #91
I still think an enforcement of the rules could help turn things around. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #93
Sometimes it requires courage by the faint of heart... CTyankee Feb 2014 #94
I did too. I stopped when one friend looked in and basically asked me what the hell was wrong with Squinch Feb 2014 #95
I'd like it to be art friendly, too. CTyankee Feb 2014 #99
I'm a bit out of the loop theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #102
Our very own Manny Goldstein....has quite the following at CC. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #140
Okay, next dumb question theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #143
Conservative Cave...it's a site of people who devote waaaaayyyyy msanthrope Feb 2014 #150
What is the problem with Cooking and Baking? CTyankee Feb 2014 #171
I think they're into food play. Sitophilia is a serious condition. We should not mock. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #175
I've seen other conservative sites with a DU subforum, but THIS! Scootaloo Feb 2014 #180
Look, while they are posting, they are not goat-fucking and/or otherwise msanthrope Feb 2014 #183
Looks like they don't like me Scootaloo Feb 2014 #186
Conservative Cave. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #151
Be thankful that you are out of the loop on CC. AngryOldDem Feb 2014 #262
NO ONE with a brain, a clue or smart enough to find either will be even REMOTELY surprised by that Number23 Feb 2014 #232
You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #265
I hear you, CTYankee and Number 23 perfectly. freshwest Apr 2014 #305
I had someone sign up as me there. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #299
Not surprising...they do that from time to time, when they are not fucking goats. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #300
They are very mean spirited. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #301
You gotta be mean as all hell to fuck goats. nt. msanthrope Mar 2014 #302
What surprises me is that no one gets that the stylists on the photo shoot Cleita Feb 2014 #220
I didn't know that the art director or photographer had The Three Graces in mind but I CTyankee Feb 2014 #237
Who knows what the photo shoot stylists had in mind but being that they have art backgrounds, Cleita Feb 2014 #256
THANKS, yank! elleng Feb 2014 #277
Hi there, ellen! Nice to see ya! CTyankee Feb 2014 #295
Wild guess BainsBane Feb 2014 #284
One of the interesting things about the treatment in Renaissance female nudes is the CTyankee Feb 2014 #291
Thanks for this post, CTyankee Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #294
I used to recommend DU to friends and other DFLers I met, but I'd never do that now. myrna minx Feb 2014 #241
At least we got through Valentines Day without the whole Cupid and Psyche marriage in art. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #168
You mean this? CTyankee Feb 2014 #244
That's absolutely gorgeous. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #259
Isn't it? It is in the Louvre... CTyankee Feb 2014 #260
I've met feminists who view the story as an excuse for soft core porn.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #275
Of course, no doubt this is highly stylized in the Neoclassical era of art. CTyankee Feb 2014 #280
What's funny is I've met Christians who take offense thinking it's sex with an angel.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #283
now that's hysterical! Sex with an angel! CTyankee Feb 2014 #286
Beautiful! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #293
If you don't think posting on message boards serves any purpose, then don't do it... DanTex Feb 2014 #18
Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #149
Clearly you haven't paid attention BainsBane Feb 2014 #25
Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's to the trash we go... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #29
wow. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #121
And why is it so damn hard to keep the Kate Upton photos out of GD? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #32
why is ok to post them in the Lounge or the Men's Group either? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #73
You know, the Kate Upton thing probably shouldn't have been posted anywhere on DU. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74
Agreed. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #127
+1! CrispyQ Feb 2014 #120
Thank you, TorchTheWitch. I stand with you. I hear your voice. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #124
Because it's really important for people to a place yewberry Feb 2014 #139
Here's the thing ... both people of color and LGBT feel crapped on, too kwassa Feb 2014 #211
Where's the trash on LGBT people or people of color groups? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #234
You just proved that person's point. The evidence is everywhere. I would add Jews and various other stevenleser Feb 2014 #246
I think you misunderstood. There is no White Group and there is no Straight Group. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #264
The trashing still occurs, whether or not it takes place in a forum dedicated to it. kwassa Feb 2014 #276
I haven't been posting lately plantwomyn Feb 2014 #233
Excellent! nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #296
It was posted to goad people. Otherwise it would have been posted in the lounge -- or not at all. pnwmom Feb 2014 #65
question for you pnwmom ... why is OK to goad people in The Lounge? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #134
The lounge doesn't pretend to be a place for political discussions. pnwmom Feb 2014 #176
I could agree but, remember The Lounge Wars ... or Doors ... or Olive Garden or Asian Woodcarver Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #177
+1 dorkzilla Feb 2014 #206
after 170 recomended a thread clearly laying it out- dozens still pretended to be confused that it bettyellen Feb 2014 #6
Blah bla blah. We admit it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #7
This is What I'm Hearing tea and oranges Feb 2014 #58
then you need to get your hearing checked. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #77
False equivalency. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #84
Actually that's not the only possible reason mythology Feb 2014 #219
MRA is sn insult onto itself. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #236
Your post above said exactly what was paraphrased by Democracyinkind. Squinch Feb 2014 #98
Yeah. I am saying this flame baiting by both sides is Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #165
Damn, thought that was going away for awhile quinnox Feb 2014 #8
Yet you responded. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #10
On certain topics, we should all agree. DanTex Feb 2014 #13
I have seen feminists on Du say they had no problem with the swimsuit pics quinnox Feb 2014 #20
I'm referencing people who don't think that objectification of women is a problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #22
I have no problem with the "swimsuit pics," in and of themselves, either. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #36
This is part of the problem... Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #85
Actually, that's PRECISELY the issue. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #263
Won't be hard to forget that at all. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #269
You are equally welcome. n/t ElboRuum Feb 2014 #271
Feminism IS politics. RBStevens Feb 2014 #155
K&R. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #9
Why? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #11
Because objectification of women is a serious problem. DanTex Feb 2014 #15
Is it? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #23
Yes. It is. DanTex Feb 2014 #24
What is reactionary about questioning something that is questionable? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #26
Correct. I am stating as fact that women are objectified in our society. DanTex Feb 2014 #28
And it isn't a fact. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #33
It's not that I can't debate it, it's that I don't want to. DanTex Feb 2014 #38
You don't want to debate it... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #54
Somewhere between 1 in 6 and 1 in 3 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #42
So take the statistic as you've provided... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #52
Porn does not cause rape. I've never remotely believed that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #55
A word about humans... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #64
"...a society sterilized of Kate Upton's boobs"? I've never advocated such a thing and never would. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #70
Allow me to clarify... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #79
Do what you will. I was just trying to explain why people might have issues with it. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #80
It is like debating Slavery or the LGBT issue. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #138
Actually, no it isn't anything like that. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #252
Yes sir. Thank you, sir. May I have some more please, sir. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #255
Sure. I see no bottom to that well. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #258
Well is amighty deep subject. Keep digging. I Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #288
Well, well, well, well. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #292
I tend to avoid the specific term "objectification" because it is quite loaded, and subjective. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #39
See, now THIS... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #47
"Gender-baiting nonsense"? Us poor oppressed men, how will we ever manage in this cruel world? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #50
No... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #53
I just don't see how these discussions are personally harmful to anyone. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #57
I would agree that they would be beneficial... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #72
"How dare you look at bikini models"? At most it might be, "How dare you post them on DU." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #76
I submit... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #81
But they have no power to do so, and very likely never will. So even if your assumption is correct nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #82
Oh,god smirkymonkey Feb 2014 #214
Hey, thanks! ElboRuum Feb 2014 #248
Loaded and subjective? It is scary how people here are in denial. redqueen Feb 2014 #96
I meant how the term is used in everyday life. Not its academic usage, which is more clear. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #100
People misuse the word 'racism' too, that doesn't make it loaded or subjective. redqueen Feb 2014 #103
I agree the "soft sciences" are often too easily dismissed. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #105
not only denying something we see everyday - it is denying the feelings of so many DUers matter bettyellen Feb 2014 #279
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #298
And the objectification of women is RBStevens Feb 2014 #157
There's general consensus that most forms of male privilege are unfair, wrong, harmful, etc. redqueen Feb 2014 #162
I'd venture to suggest that objectification RBStevens Feb 2014 #166
I wholeheartedly agree. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #167
"....no analogy too torturously flawed, no dissmissive or mocking taunt too low" YES, PREACH IT, bettyellen Feb 2014 #223
The more desperate the tactics, redqueen Feb 2014 #240
The "Objectification Theory." Here it is kids, we've jumped the shark. Squinch Feb 2014 #104
He's been reading in the mens group. boston bean Feb 2014 #128
I bet they get along really well with the climate deniers. Same mental process involved. Squinch Feb 2014 #132
Actually, the Men's Group... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #268
Like Hoop Hopes wasn't out of line with his disturbing verbal assault because "he's so funny" bettyellen Feb 2014 #190
HopeHoops was PPRed during DU3 - there are no mods pintobean Feb 2014 #199
+10 RC Feb 2014 #210
Hoop Hopes had so many people defending his disgusting and disturbing behavior it repulsed 99% of bettyellen Feb 2014 #216
Yes, Squinch. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #251
Yes. We get that you see no validity in the concept of objectification. Squinch Feb 2014 #267
Yes, I am a phallopressor of the worst order... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #270
The content of your previous posts has not made me Squinch Feb 2014 #272
Typical response. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #273
Nobody is shaming you smirkymonkey Feb 2014 #213
Oh, I beg to differ. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #254
When swaggering confidently into a thread about objectification of women bobduca Feb 2014 #247
Why? ElboRuum Feb 2014 #257
recently a HoF regular posted this Doctor_J Mar 2014 #303
It's embarrassing that DU can't have a civil discussion in the first place 1000words Feb 2014 #12
That is precisely the response of people who insist on reducing issues of equality BainsBane Feb 2014 #31
Yeah, it's really a shame we can't discuss violence against women without someone crying "misandry!" nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #44
"...or shared with a therapist." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #61
Heh ... 1000words Feb 2014 #63
Agreed. GD is where folks come to shame or be shamed Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #109
Are you referring to your own post? Is this irony? Squinch Feb 2014 #136
... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #14
heh quinnox Feb 2014 #17
LOL! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #113
Commodification cvoogt Feb 2014 #19
That's certainly a huge part of the problem, at least. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #45
Two small nitpicks... it isn't simply images of women. Images of women are great. redqueen Feb 2014 #114
As with anything cvoogt Feb 2014 #133
The fact that very few people even consider it a problem is meaningful. redqueen Feb 2014 #137
Pathologizing does not mean they can't help it cvoogt Feb 2014 #161
True, thanks. redqueen Feb 2014 #163
Agreed cvoogt Feb 2014 #164
Now, this is a good point of departure for discussion. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #116
+1 deutsey Feb 2014 #129
Well said Tumbulu Feb 2014 #21
I'm not ashamed. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #27
Collectively ashamed doesn't mean you in particular. DanTex Feb 2014 #30
Yes it is a meaningful concept... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #37
Yes, OF COURSE he could only be doing this for his own aggrandizement, right? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #46
No, he's doing it... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #56
"Authoritarian"? Exactly who is trying to control or restrict anyone here? Sounds a little paranoid nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #59
No, that's the point. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #68
Fair enough. I still don't really see it that way, but I can understand where you got the idea from. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #71
+ a million quinnox Feb 2014 #62
Absolutely wonderful and fantastic way senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #49
I didn't miss the point. ElboRuum Feb 2014 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #169
I see. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #40
I believe Objectification is a problem LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #34
Yes, absolutely. kcr Feb 2014 #43
I agree. senseandsensibility Feb 2014 #51
The only thing necessary here is a little courtesy. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #60
I agree 100% with your post. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #92
A discussion about why SI has the swimsuit issue would have been interesting. But the chortles pnwmom Feb 2014 #67
It was posted to instigate Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #88
Yes it was Bobbie Jo - there is context that some are either unaware of or purposely ignoring. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #89
Well said, Dan Tex BainsBane Feb 2014 #41
Thank you for getting it. Many men here do, which is gratifying. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #66
10 years ago DU mocked the media for the nipplegate controversy. JVS Feb 2014 #75
Yeah, back then I got shouted down for saying that the phrase "throws like a girl" is offensive. redqueen Feb 2014 #122
If you want an echo chamber of agreement LittleBlue Feb 2014 #78
So, expound upon your disagreement regarding objectification. boston bean Feb 2014 #123
Distortion: Minimizing sexual objectification as "an opinion on bikinis" nt redqueen Feb 2014 #130
Do we want an echo chamber of agreement when It comes to Black or LGBT issues? n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141
I do! Squinch Feb 2014 #285
Could there be any doubt about it? Am I or am I not Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #289
One has to wonder. Squinch Feb 2014 #290
Trash Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #83
of course. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #148
Just further evidence that there's a whole lot of right-wingers here, pretending ... Scuba Feb 2014 #86
Ba-Zinga!! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #152
Citation, please Orrex Feb 2014 #90
Here's one - in this very thread. cyberswede Feb 2014 #118
So the reply to the OP is what inspired the OP? Orrex Feb 2014 #172
LOL - I was just pointing out that one doesn't have to look very far cyberswede Feb 2014 #174
Well, ok. That was indeed a dumb post. Orrex Feb 2014 #198
The conflict seems to start plantwomyn Feb 2014 #235
When models who have nothing to do with sports are plastered wearing almost nothing, redqueen Feb 2014 #238
Surely no one would never post dehumanizing pictures of men in hypersexualized poses Orrex Feb 2014 #242
Well hey, thanks for outing yourself as one of the few here dedicated to mendacity. redqueen Feb 2014 #245
So you were objectifying those men, but you were doing it for some higher purpose Orrex Feb 2014 #249
You were in the thread. You've seen my other posts. You don't care about facts redqueen Feb 2014 #250
Note for those reading along: Orrex Feb 2014 #281
The wallowing in the worst aspects of male privilege is amazing. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #97
Wallowing. Nice first world problem. Guess some don't see their own privilege. Video and more: The Straight Story Feb 2014 #106
*facepalm* FOX News is way ahead of you with this talking point... DanTex Feb 2014 #107
Ah, so Americans don't have privilege? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #108
And that is relevant to the objectification of women because of _________________? DanTex Feb 2014 #112
No, was thinking more along the lines of..... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #119
If you think this is about women getting paid to be on a magazine cover, you are really missing it. DanTex Feb 2014 #125
No, I can see the forest even with all those trees blocking the way The Straight Story Feb 2014 #135
Women and men are treated differently by society. It's not symmetric. DanTex Feb 2014 #142
Just to add, since you mentioned men wearing suits. DanTex Feb 2014 #153
Well said. Thank you. RBStevens Feb 2014 #159
EXACTLY!!!!!! Thank you, DanTex, for the voice of reason. n/t FourScore Feb 2014 #101
Oh look, another hide thread. TransitJohn Feb 2014 #110
Yes, it's an anti-intellectual way of dealing with an issue treestar Feb 2014 #111
Good point. freshwest Apr 2014 #306
Very well put... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #115
Thank you, DanTex. Thank you. K&R Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #117
Not to mention, some cretins are so childish KitSileya Feb 2014 #126
I am ashamed we talk about nonsense while our kids go hungry... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #131
'more important things' - Rush Limbaugh-type antifeminist insults. redqueen Feb 2014 #144
I wonder what would happened if he was called a Liar for giving his testimony on DU. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #179
I'm sorry you're having a rough time. cyberswede Feb 2014 #145
It's not nonsense, and it's not about being prudish. DanTex Feb 2014 #147
Good luck to you Chris. Hang in there and things will get better. Jetboy Feb 2014 #160
Thanks. No one has sttacked me though, they just DISAGREE, and that's what's cool about being a Dem Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #178
The assumption of male privilege WhiteTara Feb 2014 #146
Sex Sells WovenGems Feb 2014 #154
Thanks Beringia Feb 2014 #156
I have to say, there IS a kind of "can't look away" quality to some of the Squinch Feb 2014 #208
Sexism is extremely deep rooted in our culture The empressof all Feb 2014 #158
Um, of course objectification is a problem, but not everyone agrees on what counts as ecstatic Feb 2014 #170
Some definitions of the term - such as those used in academia - are more concrete. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #200
Thank you, DanTex. City Lights Feb 2014 #173
Good luck stopping guys from enjoying looking at pretty girls AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #181
Yes, because that's exactly what this is about... DanTex Feb 2014 #182
That's what it boils down to AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #184
Actually, no, it isn't. Not at all. DanTex Feb 2014 #185
Not dumb, just a guy thing n/t WovenGems Feb 2014 #187
playing stupid is not a guy thing- it's a full of shit thing. bettyellen Feb 2014 #188
Post 181 reminded me of the nonsense we saw in response to that awesome Indian PSA. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #189
you'd think someone would not want to claim this amount of ignorance, but you see it more and more bettyellen Feb 2014 #194
Was this on topic? WovenGems Feb 2014 #192
you're insulting all the men I know. unless you are taking about children? bettyellen Feb 2014 #195
I'm a guy. This isn't a guy thing. It's a dumb thing. DanTex Feb 2014 #191
It's not an all-or-nothing thing. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #196
Yeah, as much anything, it's about having respect for other people's comfort levels. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #224
Funny, I "enjoy looking at pretty girls" just as much as any heterosexual man, and yet nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #203
Exactly. I have nothing to add. Great post. DanTex Feb 2014 #217
Well, 10 years ago (when I was 19) I probably would've had a similar knee-jerk reaction nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #218
Very well stated AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #222
Oh boy! One more thing we should be ashamed of! whistler162 Feb 2014 #193
lol. Exactly. Maybe this will start a trend quinnox Feb 2014 #207
pffffft... We have a whole group of MRA's dedicated to proving men are the second class citizens Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #197
It's a pattern upaloopa Feb 2014 #201
false equivalence is the first refuge of cowards noiretextatique Feb 2014 #202
I'm offended too! kiawah Feb 2014 #204
Simple explanation: DU is overrun with RW trolls. They think that if they play kestrel91316 Feb 2014 #205
^^^Fairly inescapable, as conclusions go... Squinch Feb 2014 #209
Anyone who disagrees with me pintobean Feb 2014 #212
And anyone who doesn't flip out about some T&A is a misogynist. Check. nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #221
What absolutely amazed me pintobean Feb 2014 #225
Your comments are just disgusting. As usual. R B Garr Feb 2014 #226
This message was self-deleted by its author Bonobo Feb 2014 #229
That week old thread got this ball rolling. pintobean Feb 2014 #230
I could say the same thing about you R B Garr Feb 2014 #231
Yep! nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #228
The behaviors sure seem similar. The one who went digging through my five-year-old posts to try to redqueen Feb 2014 #239
Thank you Dan. thucythucy Feb 2014 #215
DU should be collectively ashamed of a lot of things. Chan790 Feb 2014 #227
Thank you, well said. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #243
A Love Fest WovenGems Feb 2014 #253
Can someone start a new Gender Wars Forum? DontTreadOnMe Feb 2014 #261
Key words: "supposedly" and "progressive." LWolf Feb 2014 #266
+ infinity redqueen Feb 2014 #274
I'm ashamed of threads like this one. gulliver Feb 2014 #278
By deligating the war on women to the Republicans plantwomyn Feb 2014 #287
why should we expect any different? Most males I know, even the very very smart ones librechik Feb 2014 #282
I won't be ashamed of people here, they have to be ashamed of themselves first. Rex Feb 2014 #297
How would feminists prefer that men masturbate? My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #304
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